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neophyte
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I finally made my way up to Chiang Mai via night train (I highly recommend the train route for safety and value...I did second class air-con sleeping berth for about 700 baht, but I personally don't think air con is necessary; I only went with air con after a regular travel to Chiang Mai at the travel office insisted that I would need it. It takes about 12 hours and there is a dining car though bringing your own food might be a better and cheaper alternative. I flew back from Chiang Mai for about 1150 baht one way...much quicker, but a little more expensive and it didn't really have that I'm traveling on an adventure type feeling).
I spent the first day seeing many of the Wats in Chaing Mai. Note, I was told Chiang Mai was the cultural capital of Thailand...I didn't feel that. Lots of Wats and a good place to start treks, but that's about it. People go there to relax; not really for getting to know Thai culture. On my last day, I went to Do Suthep; I recommend going for the view and the temple (though don't ride a bike there...damn that was far).
Anyway, to get the the field report, following the information posted on other forums I tried to check out most of the places in Chiang Mai during my short time there. I spent some time at Cozy Corner (near John's Place)...only three dancers at a time, not many lookers. There was one girl I thought was cute, but she was with a customer. There were more customers (a mix of Thai and farang) than dancers the night I was there. I also made my way to Spotlite; a few girls dancing and one girl was quite drunk and aggressive with me. She actually pinched my nose so hard that it slightly bled. I liked one of the waitresses and the mommasan I think quoted 400 baht barfine (at least that's what the sign said the barfine was after midnight), but my memory's a bit hazy. Again, I didn't see many lookers, but there's always a diamond in the rough. I did walk by the Las Vegas cafe...I didn't go in, but there were women waiting outside and it looked quite dark and seedy. Near Las Vegas Cafe, I did discover a Thai hangout called the Warm Up Cafe which was quite busy. It probably isn't a place to pick up a working girl, but maybe a cool place to hang out with friends and meet some Thai people. Didn't make it to Star XIX, but it looked pretty busy most of the time. Incidentally, there are also a few open bars next to Star XIX and a muay thai boxing ring in the Chiang Mai plaza, but it looked a bit dead during the weekdays (maybe it picks up during the weekend).
The bars on Loh Kroy have a nice feel to them and the girls are quite friendly, but I have to agree with another poster who said that Bangkok definitely has better looking women. Bunny is more near the night bazaar and looked quiet when I walked by. I also checked out Sayuri's MP and the girls outside looked quite nice, but I didn't go in due to circumstances that will be explained later. I read that the cost was about 1200 baht on another forum, but I never got to verify this. On my bike ride to Do Suthep, I passed the Phucome Hotel and popped in to have a look. The sign says traditional thai massage and when I poked my head in, there was only one lady waiting in the lobby. From what I saw, it looks like each customer gets there own private room since there were multiple wooden doors that looked like they lead to separate rooms which probably means full service massage may be possible here, but someone else will have to be the guinea pig for this one. It's a bit far from the center of the city, but reachable by motorbike or Songthaew. It has a large Dunkin Donuts attached to it.
I also made my way to three discos while in Chiang Mai: Bubbles, Nice Illusion, and Crystal Cave. Bubbles in the Pornping Tower Hotel was quite dead when I went (it was a weekday) and I didn't like the music, but it could be bumpin' on the weekends. Next to that is Hotshot which sounded like it had a live band playing. Incidentally, on the same street (I believe across the street or near) there was a tinted window place with pictures of many pretty women outside that looked like a P4P place. Anyone know about it? I believe it was in the same center as a chinese restaurant. Nice Illusion had live music and a nice atmosphere, but quite the sausage party when I was there...maybe a place to go to with friends or after you pick up a girl. Crysal Cave (in the Empress Hotel) is slow jazz or adult contemporary music...I didn't go further than the door since I was looking for a disco. Right across from the Empress Hotel is the Karaoke Place called Monroe's and the beginning of my story...
I had never been to a Karaoke place and there were many fine women waiting outside so I thought I'd give it a try. I was quoted 200 baht for the room (per hour) and 200 for the girl along with a 200 baht charge for the mamasan. The girl assigned to me could speak decent English, sing quite well, and was cute, but those stories of having your way with a girl in a karaoke room didn't hold true with me. However, I believe if you order one of the bottles - Johnny Walker or what not for about 500 or 600 baht it will probably afford you more privacy and the staff won't be coming in to check if you want another drink. The girl was friendly, but not go-go bar like. Be really careful of your time in these places...it's the most costly karaoke I've ever done. After 2 and a half hours of singing and only two drinks the bill came to 1200 baht. If I wanted to bar fine the girl, it would cost 2000 baht. For you fat cats out there, maybe this is the place for you and those upscale ladies, but I could have gone to Sayuri's and had a much better time for the same price.
Well, I didn't want to barfine the girl, but she asked me what I was doing the next day and then gave me her phone number to call her. I thought it would be nice to spend more time with her, so I gave her a call the next day and she invited me back to her place. We talked a little and watched TV (nothing happened as her roommate was there) and she kept saying how she wanted to spend more time with me, but she had to go to work. She said if she had the money she would pay the fine (now lowered to 1500 due to the day) and spend time with me. Well, I was planning to go to Sayuri's but in the end I decided (after much conflict) to barfine for the night and meet up with her after seeing my friends. Unforunately due to bad communication, we didn't actually meet up until 9pm. I envisioned a nice night alone at her place or walking around Chiang Mai. Then some nice sanuk and falling asleep together. Um, no. She actually directed me to her friend's place where she proceeded to talk with her friend and eat for two hours. I then pulled her aside and said that I wasn't happy with the situation since I didn't really pay 1500 baht to sit around and wait for her. She said sorry and we went back to her place. Then another problem came up. Since her roommate needed the key and she got off work at 2am, she didn't know what to do. She didn't want to go to her roommates work, but we couldn't stay at her place and do anything since her roommate would be coming home. We made our way back to my place where things got a bit more intimate, but she wouldn't let anything happen since she said we had just met and she suddenly had this trip to visit her sister tomorrow and she wanted to sleep. At one point, I gave up and agreed to just sleep. She then said she couldn't sleep (no reason) and was returning back to her place. She said she would see me in the morning to say goodbye. However, I was quite upset by this time and made it known. If you couldn't guess, she didn't come by to see me in the morning.
Now, I'm a sucker for a pretty face. My personality unfortunately makes me easy prey for a situation like this. By the end, I was quite emotionally f_cked up (but not physically) as I felt the girl had lied to me just to get the bar fine and ruined my last night in Chiang Mai. This is the first time I've ever been "played" by a bar girl so I guess it's a good learning experience. I know I should have talked to her more about what to expect, but she had made may propositions before about spending the night together and being together and sleeping together. Any comments? I was so twisted inside by what happened, that I cancelled my trip to Krabi and went to Pattaya instead. I had a much better time there...but that's another field report.
Should anyone need more specific information about locations in Chiang Mai, please let me know. I did a fair amount of exploring so I can give general directions to some places. Also check out the link in one of the previous field reports as it had quite good directions (search the forum under Chiang Mai and it should come up).
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:00 am on Dec. 23, 2003
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kmanrox
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i just got back from CM, and I have to say.... I got rejected by 5 girls at gogos and beer bars, and only landed 1 the 2 nights I was there visiting youngexpat.. and I was offering plenty of money, and was in great spirits, and not drunk off my ass.... so IMHO
don't EVER, EVERRRRRR go to CM.... it should be annexed to myanmar or something.... I had more fun in Buridam and Surin.. tons more fun...
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:04 am on Dec. 23, 2003
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kmanrox
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Quote: from Oz on 4:07 pm on Dec. 23, 2003
Gee you must be ugly!!!! 
unfortunately I can't use that as an excuse =-/
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 3:25 am on Dec. 23, 2003
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stuckinapub
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seems to me you expect cm to be the same as bangkok and its not
you want lots of gogo bars and loads of girls falling over you if you flash some money no chance
thats what bkk all about and if the girls are real lookers why should they be in cm when they can make more money down south
imho cm about doing other things not just drinking chassing pussy
when I am there I go fishing travel around go trekking shopping etc
and occasionally I get a temp TGF (not just a one night shag)
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Posted on: 3:33 am on Dec. 23, 2003
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Danger Mouse
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Hmmm. doesn`t sound like my cup of tea..
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Posted on: 12:42 pm on Dec. 23, 2003
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Dryborg
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Damn, neophyte!
That was a depressing read! Almost made me not want to go although I'm packed and ready to...  Nah! 
Sorry to hear you got screwed by a BG. Brings back painful memories from my youth (I'm an old hand nearing 35 now). I think most of the honest bros on the forum will admit to at least similar experiences early on in their LOS careers. I know I must. But that's behind me. And I always look forward.
As such I look forward to my CM trip in May. I was in CM in '98 and had a lot of fun. No problem then with girls' attitudes like kmanrox describes. Wonder if things have really changed for the worse ? I'll report to this fact - after the fact. Only problem I remember from some of my bar visits is how dangerously young the girls were there. I remember a girl come up to me in the bar asking me if I wanted to take her for the night. She looked about 15 as she sulkily grabbed her school bag from behind the bar after I turned her down.....
;) Would you believe it?
DryBorg
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"Beauty is (mostly) irrelevant"
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Posted on: 5:24 pm on Dec. 23, 2003
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