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Herman,
Here's some info on Rio that I got from someone else on a different monger forum. Hope it helps.
1) rent a one bedroom apartment near Miguel Lemos (hotels are too expensive and some are not chica friendly) which is near the heart of the mongering scene. Should be no more than $40 a night as when you are going is not considered high season. check out these sites for apartments. These guys are pretty reputable.
http://www.blameitonrio4travel.com/newsite2/rio-apt.html#1
http://www.ez-riorentals.com/aptos/ocview/1BED/ocview-1bed.htm
http://www.gringomanagement.com/onebedroom.html
(This one has maps that will give you preety good layout of the land)
2) Where to meet chicas? Help Disco starts hopping after 11:00PM all the women in there are available for a price. After 2AM any could be had for R4150-200 for all night til about 11AM.
http://80.78.233.178/index.htm
The cafes around the help area are full of freelancers ready to roll. Meia Pataca is the main cafe where americans hang out at and a monger meeting place.
You can call a couple of the escort services they have some real hotties for about R$150 ($50 USD) for two hours (just google rio de janeiro escorts or relax) and you'll find tons of them.
here's a couple escorts;
http://www.ciaplus.com
http://www.karlamodels.com.br/principal.html
The best are the termas which are like bath houses and have hot women available. They are fixed priced usually from around R$200-300 depending on the room and the time. These girls are hot and are very good at what they do.
Here's a couple urls
http://www.luomo.com.br/
http://www.termas65.com.br/index.asp
Here's the major termas with addresses and phone numbers the ones with stars are within walking distance from where you will stay. others are close by
Centaurus - Rua Canning 44, Ipanema - 2523-4088
Monte Carlo - Hilario de Gouveia 19, Copacabana - 2255-4489 **
L'Uomo - Rua Siqueria Campos 143/15, Copacabana - 2549-4113 **
Solarium - Rua JJ Seabra 21, Jardim Botanico - 2274-2741
Aeroporto - Avenida Beira Mar 216, Centro - 2220-6267
Rio Antigo - Rua Ipaquim Silva 2, Gloria - 2224-9591
4X4 - Rua Buenos Aires 41, Centro - 2283-1009
65 - Rua do Rosario 65, Centro - 2203-1338
I would suggest that you register (free) on http://www.wsgforums.com and read through their rio forum and start posting there.
Finally check out these websites for research info.
http://www.brazil-sex.net/index2.html
http://chicachica.net/dummies_guide_to_brazil1.htm
http://www.gringomanagement.com/singles.html
http://travelsexguide.tv/main_nation3.htm
Don't forget you need a visa for Brazil $100 and you need to make sure you travel within 90 days of getting the visa. You also need a copy of your e-ticket with the travel dates to ensure you get this visa.
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Posted on: 7:36 pm on Mar. 10, 2004
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JHolmesJr
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And if you are american, don't try to be smart and give them the finger when you're being fingerprinted and photographed. They can tell no matter how cleverly you try to disguise it.
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Posted on: 9:02 pm on Mar. 10, 2004
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Abrak
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I was in Havana last August.... and boy what a disappointment.
(To be fair I have to point out that 1. I speak no spanish and virtually noone in Havana speaks English and 2. I have blond hair so I stick out like the tourist I was.)
I gather things were very different in Havana a couple of years ago but there has since been a big crackdown on prostitution.
Now...
1. Girls are not allowed into clubs unescorted (so not many freelancers in pubs, clubs etc...)
2. It is illegal for Cubans to 'consort' with foreigners. Girls would not walk along the streets with us (just hop in and out of taxis). We were constantly watched by the police on the beach to check whether we were with someone. 2 girls were arrested (released 2 hours later) after they were spotted being escorted to a taxi by my mate at 4.00am.
I will not tell you the whole story (it really is too depressing) but here is the first day...
We arrived at 10am in the morning. We had booked into a hotel that had a disco at the bottom. The hotel had a reputation for being 'girl friendly' and the disco a reputation for freelancers. The place is '4 star' a complete dump (towels on the armchairs to cover up cigarette burns) and USS90/night... hey but we dont care...
We wander around for a while... some of the girls look fairly interested in us... so far so good. Eventually we start to chat to a couple of the girls and invite them back to our 2 bedroom bungalow. They are game on... whoopeee...
The girls follow us back walking 5 yards behind us. As we get near our bungalows we are stopped by a guard who wont let us take the girls into the bungalow. He points to reception and we assume that the girls need to show their ID there. Uhoh... they dont have any ID. We try slipping the guy US$20... he just aint interested.
We hop in a taxi and ask him to take us to a GF friendly hotel. He doesnt know one...they dont exist he says. He says he might know a friend who can help. Gee we know this sounds like a rip off but we are desperate so we go for it...
He takes us to a guesthouse - we are charged US$30 each - for rooms for 2 hours. We do our stuff... and take the taxi back to the hotel. We are told that if you want to have girls you must book into to guesthouses (rather than hotels) - we dont believe him of course.
As for the girls, we reason they 'dont have' their ID cos they are under 18 and wouldnt be allowed in anyway. (As it turns out any foreigner caught sleeping with a girl under 18 is subject to 5 years in jail.) Unfortunately it isnt as simple as that...
When we get to the hotel, we approach the front desk and ask what the policy is. NO GUESTS - it is illegal. Come on we say, cant we come to some accomadation. Talk to the head of security they say. We chat to him... he seems a reasonable understanding type of guy... he points us to a particular guard... gee this is getting complicated...
We approach the guard with US$20 in our hand ready to have a 'friendly' chat. He immediately tells us to go to our bungalow and wait. When he arrives we offer him the US$20 and explain the situation...
No he says it is US$30 each...
And you must be back at the hotel by 2.30am...
And you must leave the girls outside the hotel, he will get them and bring them to our bungalow.
We are not too chuffed but we agree...
That night we hit town. Havana has a reputation for a pretty wild nightlife. But where? we have asked around and surfed the net. There are 3 discos but one is miles away. And about half a dozen clubs... Havana style...
We go to the nearest disco. As we approach the door 2 pretty girls approach us from out of the dark and us ask us to take them in. They even give us the US$15 entry fee. Inside the place is pretty empty - only about 5 guys but there are 15-20 girls - many pretty good looking. We think we are too early - it was only 11pm.
We sit down with 4 of them and order drinks. One of them speaks pretty good english. Yeah she wants to come back with me... not to my hotel... we can go to her place. She wants US$100 for the night. We think about it and pass. The night is still young. US$100 seems pretty steep for a place where everyone supposedly lives off US10 per month. We drink up and head off...
To cut a long story short. Big mistake. By far the best offer we had all evening. We trawled around another 3 or 4 places. They are all dead (admittedly it is a Wednesday). They are all closed by 2.00am. I am too pissed off to bother bringing back a girl. My mate literally grabs one off the street and we head back to the hotel.
So 2.00am we bring back the girl... leave her outside and sure enough the guard brings her to the bungalow. As he drops her off, he says he will back at 4.00am to collect her. She cant stay a minute longer!!
Great, bleeding marvellous....
The next morning we pack our bags and leave to find a girl friendly guesthouse. Are our troubles over... no they have really only just begun...
Conclusion: JUST DONT GO THERE.Why does the place have such a great reputation? Well I dunno... but here are my best guesses...
1. it used to be wild but it has changed
2. its reputation comes from Canada/USA where they dont have a LOS, Manila, Jakarta etc..
3. people who go there - go on family holidays and just ogle the the girls - most of which dress and look like hookers even though they are not.
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Posted on: 11:35 pm on Mar. 10, 2004
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Smegma
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hmmm.... yes things are bad in Havana now -as compared to before. But I think that not as bad as you say (though close). I do not mean to say that I do not believe that your experiences were as you described, but that they are not exactly the norm all the time for all the people.
I think also that you were given some wrong info.
Anyway, I will comment in more detail later.
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Posted on: 2:27 am on Mar. 11, 2004
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Abrak
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Oh Smegma....
Absolutely right.... the real problem was my expectations... I was certainly given lots of wrong information....
Gee I was in Canada before I went and they were just raving about the place. How it made LOS seem like a dump. Even when I got there.... at lunch on the first day, we met a cuban who said that after 48 hours we would never want to leave.
The place aint that bad... probably pretty good if you can speak Spanish. I would put it on a par with Dubai. It certainly aint no LOS though...
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Posted on: 3:26 am on Mar. 11, 2004
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Smegma
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Abrak, most things you say are about right, but some minor details.
Fidel in early 1999 (or it was late 1998) got tired of having the daughters of the revolution cavorting so easily and willingly selling their bodies everywhere to the bastard capitalists that were happily giving them dollars in return. Che would have been frantically trying to get out of his coffin had he known what was going on above ground.
Sorry, for the long post. Damn! I hate to read long stories likes this.
The scene changed complately almost overnight. Cuba being Cuba, where it is easy to do all kind of things to the local population, the easiest way to implement their new policies and laws is to instill the fear of spending time in one of those revolution jails. Police were given the power to detain women just "suspected" of "trying to engage" in prostution for up to two years.
Now, it is not illegal for Cubans to "consort" with foreigners. But it raises suspicions if locals talk to foreigners for a long time without any good reason.
I went there in 1999 a few months after the new laws had passed. While there we were stopped a few times if we were with a local. Police would ask all kind of questions basically to establish that you are not engaging casually with a local for the sake of it.
One day, we ended up taking a guide off the street in the center of Habana vieja (the old center of town) ; out of nowhere a guy in civilian clothes would pop up and try to engage us -it was policeman; the first time it was actually funny as he came from on my side and talked to me first, but I kept walking brushing the guy away thinking he wanted to sell us something. He tried again and I did the same. Until he walked in front all upset and then the guide realized he was a cop. No problem, once the local explained he was a guide and showed some card indicating he was authorized by the tourist authority to work as a freelancer tourist guide..
The same goes for everybody else. My father had done business years earlier and asked me to contact some people on his behalf to say hello and invite them to breakfast or lunch. Anyone you call in Cuba to invite to lunch would never say no. Going to a restaurant where westerners go is a real treat.
I invited one day this older lady -late 40s one day to come to the hotel to treat her for breakfast and to say hello on behalf of my father. I felt awkward as she said that as much as she wanted, it may not be a good idea, as she would not be allowed to go into the hotel alone and I would have to escort her in. However, she didn't want to be wondering outside the hotel as police could think she was a prostitute waiting to pick customers and could be arrested. I had to promise that I would be the one waiting outside the hotel when she would come. I felt bad having this conversation with an older classy woman. Well, she finally made it and the hotel's breakfast buffet with me and my friend. The look in her eyes were those of a child in a candy store.
We had heard so much about Cuba, that we also had high expectations. My friend and I realized that it was impossible to bring a girl to the hotel and make her pass the lobby and get into the elevators. What to do? Well, I called another of the local guys that my father had done business with -had to invite him to lunch to one of Habana's most famous restaurants -the luxury of the menu is the abundance of chicken that you get!!! I got the guts to get over the initial embarrassment of telling this strange guy about our problem regarding bringing the ladies (we intended to pick during our stay) to a place where we could have sex with them. He said "no problem. let me work on it and I will go pick you today at 6pm at the hotel.Go do some tourism now and see you later"
He came and said he had found an appartment we could go check and rent if we wanted to use as our love nest. It was about 2 blocks walking distance from the hotel. We figured it would be perfect, we would keep the hotel rooms for the confort of sleep and use the love nest for hanky-panky.
Here is where we got a schock. When we get to the appartment -a very basic 2 bedroom place- there is a family living there. A man in his early 50s, his 40s wife, and child about 12 years old -the older 20s daughter is going to the university in another city. The lady shows us the appartment, her room, the child's room, etc. I am confused and I think it showed in my face and that of my friend -he had no clue what was going on as he doesn't speak Spanish (I do) and our helper interjected: "if you like it, you can take over the place; the family will move out and stay with some cousins while you "use and enjoy" the appartment" (I hated the guy saying "use and enjoy" in that way. Here we are, about to kick over someone from their place of residence so that we can have a place where to go screw the young and hopeful Cuban girls the country is breeding. The cost? US$ 15 per day. How many days to we want the place? At this stage we have no clue what to say and do. I talk with my friend, and we are trying to refrain ourselves from laughing as this is too surreal. We cannot believe what is going on. The "seņor" waiting in the living room with his son -both with a smile in their faces and looking hopeful, while la seņora tries to sell us the benefits of the place. By now, our helper is telling us that we would actually do a favor to this people as they need the money. I look at them at my friend who doesn't dare to say yes or no... and I said "ok, lo tomamos" (we take it). For how long? eehhhh..... I am not sure.... I hesitate as we are leaving Habana to tour the country side in a few days but may want to have the place when we come back..... ehhhh. She says, "you know what? no problem. take for as long as you need it. I will come every day in the morning to clean up the place, and I will know when you have finally left by seeing you leaving the keys of this place in this table. Just leave the keys and the corresponding amount of money. Ok ok.
Now la seņora being the good host she was, gives a second tour of the whole place giving us instructions on the whole place: Where the towels are, the water heater, the kitchen etc. By now I see the seņor de la casa packing his things in a suitcase.... this was too much for me. I could not wait and see the family walk out of their house. I said we needed to go and that they could just gives us the key now. And we left.
Action at night? Only place that still was rocking was the famous Comodoro disco -adjacent to a hotel. Yes, women are not allowed to go in alone. But they manage just by waiting away from the entrance -in the parking lot and jumping on any man that is seeing going alone into the disco. They politely ask if you would allow them to walk inside with you. One girl per man. Again, the look of puzzlement in my eyes. The girl rapidly says "I will pay my own entrance fee and I will leave you alone as we cross the door." Ok, I am starting to get things faster by now and I said of course. I didn't like the girl, so once inside I ddin't ask her to stay. Now, the place rocked. A few locals with their friends -yes, there are a few priviledge locals that can afford to go to these places with their own girlfriends. However, easily about 80% of the girls were freelancers. Locals with money also go to Comodoro to pick girls -revolution or not, Cuban men are also as horny as their non-communist brothers.
At Comodoro I found that the girls liked my friend better. This didn't make sense to me until they told me many times once they found I was not local that it was because initially they had thought I was Cuban -Cubans pay much less than tourists.
Well, by the end of the night we were taking girls to our new found appartment -lucky us that we had rented and had our own car. I took the big room and my friend the child's one. I found it amusing doing my first revolution girl in someone's house surrounded by pictures of all the family.
We used the appartment a few times over a total period of about 10 days -we even kept it while we were away from Habana.
Our only trouble once was when making a wrong turn near the apartment on the way back with two girls. A policeman asked me to stop, but I played dumb and didn't and kept going. Well,... there are policemen every two blocks. They radioed ahead, and when parking in front of our love nest with 2 girls we had picked at Comodoro a policeman shows up and start asking for IDs etc. The girls are almost starting to shake out of fear showing IDs, talking to the tough looking guy, etc. The guys asks me where are you coming from, and I say Comodoro. DING! Wrong answer. One girl is starting to cry... and I see things are going wrong -I am worried for the girls. I speak quickly to my friend in French -so that he can play a bit silly and interrupt me and show he doesn't care but is having fun etc. And this is when I getclose to the policeman and make him move away with me for a few meters and tell him in an accomplice tone: "buddy, this is guy I am bringing from Europe that I am trying to convince to come invest in Cuba with me on a deal. X girl (her name), is the cousin of one good friend of mine (all Cubans have a cousin who lives overseas) who told me to contact them and ask her to show us around. I asked X to bring a friend along so that we would be "2 for 2." I want my friend to have a good time and likie Cuba. If I am lucky and he likes it here, more likely that he will be willing to come and invest and we can then help all together build a better Cuba (I knew this sounded extremely corny - but what the heck!). In the background one girl is crying, my friend is yelling at me as as a funny dumb drunk (as per my previous instructions). I tell the policeman "Oh my friend is complaining to me why I am such a cheap bastard, that I should pay the ticket for the infraction and to get moving" and I wink to the cop  I tell him, "listen, these are good girls. We are not sure that we are going to score, but man! we got to try, this is the closest we have come so far. It is so tough to meet decent girls now in Habana. And you are killing the mood. Please let us go. Here, please you take care of the paperwork for the infraction but please let us go now, or else these girls may get all upset and think twice about coming up with us" I gave him another wink and passed him 20 dollars as I moved away as taking for granted that that was it. Well it worked.
Once upstairs, we spent half an hour now recanting the whole thing. I had to take some flak from the girls for the initial "Comodoro" response. But later, this then became my best screw of my whole Cuba stay. I think it had to do with the high adrenaline level that I had got earlier.
Anyway, I am getting tired of typing. This is why I do not like to write FRs. I do not know how to keep them short.
In summary, as Abrak says, it was wild before. It is not wild now. It is a hassle dealing with some of the logistics. But there are still plenty of "almost-good" girls willing to go the extra mile to earn some hard currency on the side. Problem as I said is knowing how to go and move around. As everywhere else, speaking the language makes a big difference.
Oh, and we left a very big tip when paying for the appartment. Every day the lady of the house cleaned the place and changed sheets and towels in the morning.
BTW, yes the going asking rate from the girls was US$100. But speaking the language helped at times to bring it down to 60 or 70. Then we would give them later the US$100.
Of all the places I have been in the world, Cuba is the one where the locals are definetively more unhappy and in a sense living worse. Maybe you could argue that in Myanmar living conditions are as bad.... hmmm.... Burmese eat better and have better beer than what the Cubans get. And the Burmese are happier than the Cubans as they really do not know better. Cubans do know that the world outside is much different and better. This makes them unhappy; more so than the Burmese.
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Posted on: 6:31 am on Mar. 11, 2004
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Abrak
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Very interesting post Smegma...
I could see even when I was there that...
1) If you could speak spanish
2) Looked spanish (so the cops wouldnt bother you)
3) Rented your own place
4) Had a few bucks...
That you could have a lot of fun... the girls are very attractive and great lovers...
I went there as a Newbie thinking it was LOS a l'America and got quite a shock.
I could never really understand the value for money. Everyone was supposed to live off US$10 a month but that didnt even get you a decent meal.
My english looks meant that I couldnt really been seen with any girl. (I had some vague notion that one of the freelancers would show me around town).
The country is so dirt poor it is difficult to get a decent meal or accomodation. (The girls ask to keep your toothpaste, after shave, socks and even your underwear - and this aint out of affection.)
And it is pretty unpleasant to be constantly watched by cops who are posted on every street corner.
I must say I gathered from people that the crackdown was much more recent - the hotel's disco had only been shut about 6 months before. Slightly surprised to hear that things were pretty grim 4 years ago.
Anyway... if I had read a post like yours a year ago I would have saved myself a lot of grief and disappointment....
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Posted on: 7:42 am on Mar. 11, 2004
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layne_staley
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Hey just a question regarding Brazil.
I have heard the cost of food is about US$2-$3 for food - is accomodation similarly priced to Thailand around US$3-$10 for backpacing in Brazil?
I would be going from November-February which is peak season.
Kinda hard choice to make - I have three months holiday and am weighing up how much time to spend in Thailand if I am to go to Brazil.
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Posted on: 11:23 pm on Mar. 11, 2004
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The Machine
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Well I was thinking of going again this year but will have to put it on the back burner.
It certainly wasn't like that 2 years back.
Big change for the worst by the sound of things.
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Posted on: 3:23 am on Mar. 13, 2004
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