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mansaturday
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Quote: from latitude on 5:42 pm on Jan. 15, 2005
In Switzerland (like many other European countries) it is illegal to engage in prostitution if you are not a Swiss citizen.
Not true. Technically, someone with a C permit (and even a B permit, I think) can work as a prostitute. For a Thai, it will take 10 years to get a C permit if she is not married. A little less if she marries a Swiss.
All rather irrelevant here, I think. The worry is that if the authorities find out, she will be deported. Worse things can happen.
I understand - but I am not really well informed - that the authorities really clamp down on the mafia-run operations. Prostitution is legal and they do not want the mafia taking over the business: clamp down early and do not let a 'scene' take root.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:26 am on Jan. 17, 2005
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latitude
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Quote: from mrniceguy70 on 9:46 pm on Jan. 17, 2005
I would hope that the Swiss officials are onto this, the simple solution would be to deny them a Schengen visa. The Swiss aren't dummies, and I bet it would look suspicious for a TG to apply for a visa for a 3-month tour. Is your friend getting some help or is she responsible for getting a visa on her own?
MRNG70
My friend is paying her "agent" 50,000 Baht as a deposit and to get her a visa. She sold her land in Issan to get the money, her investment as it were. And while the Swiss aren't dummies, they have a history of looking the other way.
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Posted on: 11:14 am on Jan. 17, 2005
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mrniceguy70
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You stated:
"My friend is paying her "agent" 50,000 Baht as a deposit and to get her a visa. She sold her land in Issan to get the money, her investment as it were. And while the Swiss aren't dummies, they have a history of looking the other way."
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So how does her 'agent' get the visa for her? Doesn't she have to apply herself? I've never heard of someone getting a visa by proxy. What is it that the agent does for her 50k?
MRNG70
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:20 am on Jan. 17, 2005
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latitude
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I imagine he works his connections, supplies the requisite information and photographs, and pockets most of the money. If she did it herself there would probably be flags raised. The agent knows how to work his contacts and likely throws in a few extra Baht to get the job done.
I just got a business visa to Korea and it seemed that anyone could have dropped off the proper paperwork along with my passport and I would've received my visa. In fact, I could have mailed it in.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 9:55 pm on Jan. 17, 2005
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ringthebells
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50K is reasonable.
he will get her a artist visa for 3 months.
this he is able to get her with a valid employment contract, that would say e.g. "striptease dancer at tabaris".
a apartment/room, nearby. valid address, where authorities will be able to contact her.
a return economy class ticket to zurich.
there are a couple of so called artist agencies in zurich. it is a legit business.
whatever she earns, the agent will take one third. the room he will rent to her for an inflated price.
but he will make sure she gets enough work.
they rotate the girls in different clubs in the city.
she should be able to make 1 mio baht in 3 months, net, without having to engage in to much P4P.
rtb
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Posted on: 10:45 pm on Jan. 17, 2005
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latitude
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Well, I really hope it works out for her in the end and that she doesn't end up in some hell hole getting abused, because if she does there isn't much she can do about it.
She's going to Bern, but it's all probably the same in any case.
BTW, the 50K Baht doesn't include airfare.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:02 pm on Jan. 17, 2005
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ringthebells
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oops. thought it would.
good luck!!
rtb
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:11 pm on Jan. 17, 2005
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Blattsucker
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Hi, Latitude. I can not give details about the Swiss situation, but I can give you info (or my opinion) on the Dutch situation. It is my guess that there will be no major difference between the two.
Nothing that I will tell you here should be taken as hard evidence, it is just my feeling how the situation works with scraps of information I have from all over the place.
I think your GF has about an 80% chance of coming to a place where she will be be mildly abused. With "mildly" I mean that she could accept it if the money was ok. And I think THAT is worth considering. IS IT WORTH IT????
I read somewhere that most foreign working thai girls make about $1.000 per month, if they are very lucky $2.000 and I think that we are talking about 1 in a 1000 or less to make a bundle (the earlier mentioned BMW).
To the dutch situation I think that is very realistic. So expect your girl to make $1.000 per month. Is that what she wants????? First she has to pay off the debt she made, the 50K and there are probably more costs. So if she has $1.000 in her hands after a 3 month tour of duty she is a lucky girl. Is THAT what she wants????
I think she could make that in her own country in ONE month with ease. If not there are other factors.
Lets say she only goes with cheapbastards like me and she will make 1K per day for an LT. This means she has a fun time. She can do what she wants, see friends, see sites, shop, eat and drink, do holiday things with me, whatever. All expenses payed by me. She could make 30K a month this way. She will not have a John every day of the month so chances are she will not make the $1.000 every month (or even ANY month), but she has an easy and fun filled life. And that is worth something also.
Now what does she have to do here??? Most shops here are open from 11 - 23 so that means she can expect wall to wall f***ing. Now from my point of view that sounds like fun, but is it when you are on the recieving end????????
I think it will be hard labour. Fun will be the last thing that she will know. It's f*** or be f***ed! So let's say she makes twice the money she will make at home, is it worth it returning to BKK with her pussy hanging between her knees????
Ok, now the moneything is out of the way, lets view the conditions. Prostitution is legal here and if not in Switzerland it is atleast allowed. So no worries from that side. BUT prostitution is work. And I know no countries in the west where you can set a foot over the border and have work. You need a permit/green card, whatever. And since she has no university degree or other skills and status (like marriage) she can absolutly not work here. And you can bet your life her visa is just a 3 month holiday visa. Not a work permit. So she will be working illegal, where ever she goes. So if the police raid the place (and they do sometimes) she will be on the next plane home. From our law she has nothing to fear but that plane ride. There is ofcourse a fine, but the police will not bother with that. We have a saying : You can not pluck feathers from a frog. I think you can guess the meaning concerning money.
Now the question will be if there is a bust, when will it be? In the first 2 months you can be sure she will be left with not enough (if any) money to pay off her debt. In the 3rd month she maybe has worked of her debt, but it was all for nothing. After the 3rd month she maybe has made some real money, but now she is also an illegal alien.
Then there is the question : What to do with the money? Money found on her body will probably be confiscated. It was earned illegal and it pays off her fine.
If mamasan has her money and the police cann't get it, what reason does she have to sent it to BKK for the girl to collect??????
What chances are there that the police will raid the place? I think they are pretty slim. As with every police force, our policeforce is underpayed. This does not mean they are on the take, but just that they put their manpower on issues that matter. Some thai girls trying to make an "honest" buck is not high on their agenda. But the thai houses are well known. I have about a dozen in my town and they are their for over 10 years in the same location and they advertise in all the papers, so they are not what you call a secret. Vicesquad knows probably better how many girls are at any given location then the girls themselves.
OK Fieldreport time.
About 4 years ago I went 3 times to 2 different houses. I wanted to get a taste before my first trip to BKK. The 2 I went to had the same setup and are the rule not the exception. Just an 3/4 room appartment in a block of houses. There were 3 or 4 girls sitting in the livingroom. Mamasam will give you the pricelist which mentions BJ, anal, 1/2 hour $50, 1 hour $100 (whatever you do). She is the only one that can speak anything close to an understandable language. She is older like 50 and I bet the only one that is legal in the country. The working girls are also old by BKK standards, they are something like 35 (my girl was). So my (very limited) view is that the girls want to end their career with some big chances for some big money. I think most of them will be dissapointed. No fresh from the farm girls were spotted by me.
I took the 1 hour deal everytime. And was not dissapointed. This gives you just enough time to get a little taste of the GFE, which sets them apart from your regular hookers.
Once a girl thought she heard something in the middle of our play, she jumped of the bed over a couch and thru a half hidden door in 2 seconds flat. She thought it was a bust. I was laying there with a big dick in the air, not knowing what was going on. So if it was a real raid, then my story would sound like this : I was visiting the house because they are friends of mine. I don't know their names, but we have been friends since birth. And I was showing my dick how well the ceiling was painted. For this job he was wearing protective gear. And... I did not have sex with that woman! (Heared that one before 
I visited 1 girl/house twice in 2 weeks and you could say a relation was born. We spoke a bit and from that I got the impression she was not happy. Not that she was a slave that was beaten every minute of the day, but more of the homesick kind of unhappy. Also I think she got less then she expected. I saw her in the week before and after christmas and she told me she would go home end of januari, early februari. She asked me to take her home with me for only $250 for the night. So going out of the house was not a bigdeal, but I guess it was discouraged by mamasan for she could walk into the police. Because $250 is a lot of money for me, I declined. She gave me her phonenumber, but in the first week of januari there was no responce. I guess she was deported. I never went back and 4 months later I was on the plane myself.
The girl was desperate to go home with me. But what reason she had I don't know, maybe the house made her unhappy (sort of prison), or the money was needed or a marriage was her goal.
So what would I do in your position?
I would strongly advice your GF NOT to go. The chance of being sold as a sexslave is not so big, I think, she will come home without fysical scars. But without mental scars I highly doubt. Will it make her rich? I don't think so. Does she have a big chance of returning home with no money, but a debt to be payed. I do think so. Will she come home with several 1000 $$$ that is a good possibility. But if you have to pay off the debt and it takes her let's say 6 months. Is the same profit not far easier to be made in BKK or Pattaya without the debt??? If not; how about the fun factor?
The only way I would consider going is if you could find an honest girl that has been to the west and has (some) good experiences (money and treatment) and that your GF is sure that she will go to the same place via the same middleman. Question : Is the girl honest? Or is she getting a commission?
And cutting out the middleman is no option I think. He has the brothel already arranged. What do you expect the girl to do? Take a plane and find a brothel in a country where she cann't speak 1 word of the language and then knock on a door of a house that is not looking for girls? Good luck to her.
I hope this helps you. Most of what I have written here is not basesd on hard (researched) facts, so take it as you think fit. If anyone has better info then you will hear it soon.
P.s. It is maybe better for the girls and us if we set up our own travelagency She pays her ticket and visa. And we arrange a brothel in our home countries. We select a trustworthy one. She makes some real money, without a debt. She can stay in our homes for free (just some service now and then
And after a 3 month (work-) holiday she returns home a little bit richer.
Oh well, call me a dreamer
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Posted on: 3:16 am on Jan. 18, 2005
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scobie
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latitude..If I'm not mistaken you recently posted exactly the same thread on Thaivisa, but in that thread your 'friend' that you were so worried about was going to work in a hotel in Nigeria.
Are you bored, or what?
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 12:12 am on Jan. 19, 2005
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latitude
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Quote: from scobie on 12:06 pm on Jan. 19, 2005
latitude..If I'm not mistaken you recently posted exactly the same thread on Thaivisa, but in that thread your 'friend' that you were so worried about was going to work in a hotel in Nigeria.
Are you bored, or what?
You are mistaken, scobie. I am not familiar with Thaivisa, nor do I have a friend planning to work in a hotel in Nigeria. Also, I am certainly not bored.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:44 am on Jan. 19, 2005
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