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Mr Alan
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Smegma,
The French helped the American Revolutionary War effort against the British in the late 18th century because they were enemies with of the British, and they perceived it to be in the best interests to do so.
My comments were to point out that gratitude is often never received and cannot be expected, as you explained. Of course, there is a difference between gratitude as expressed in terms of explicit help where a sacrifice is made, versus when gratitude simply means just being neutral (not becoming oneís enemy). It is apparent to me that France is now a foe of the US, rather than just a nation who is neutral (but this is just one manís opinion).
But in any case, the French experience (from the USA perspective) bolsters my arguments (and apparently yours) as to why going to war to help other nations for purely altruistic reasons is not a viable policy.
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Posted on: 4:30 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Neal Cassidy
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They would not have been much help anyway.
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Posted on: 4:32 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Smegma
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Annibal and elephants? That is a piece of cake  No real debate there. More legend than truth.
Annibal may be remembered mostly for crossing the Alps with elephants. But truth is very few of his elephants made it thru. And the few that did were of little use to him. At Trebia they gave a somehow limited positive performance. But the Romans learned, changed formations and hurt the elephants at the battle of Zama making many run amok and ended hurting Annibals' own cavalry more than they hurt the Romans.
Annibal got better result in Europe when he didn't use the elephants -they were of limited use in Iberia.
Next? 
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Posted on: 4:39 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Neal Cassidy
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Exactly to my point. You've got way too much time on your hands brother.
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Posted on: 4:41 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Smegma
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MrAlan, I agree that countries do not go to war for altruistic reasons. A such the masses on one side believing that the masses on the other side have to be grateful is foolish as a consequence.
France an enemy of the USA? That sounds strong to me. I do not think so. I think the French since De Gaulle, just have had a chip on the shoulder. And when it comes to matters related to the USA they make sometimes much more noise than they would otherwise just as a matter of principle. But I would say that at the end they are still close to the USA.
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Posted on: 4:45 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Smegma
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Quote: from Neal Cassidy on 4:41 pm on Sep. 7, 2003
Exactly to my point. You've got way too much time on your hands brother.
Why? Because I replied? I did reply fast, so I didnt take so much time.
Or is it because I do happen to know stuff? That I have time to read? Yes. I do. I have always had since the age of 6. And I am lucky to have a good memory also -which has it problems, because when I do forget something, people who know me, don't believe it. Can't always win.
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Posted on: 4:49 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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dirty guru
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American policy, is such that it is increasingly being seen , as a roman type empire. Like in the gladiator movie, where russell crowe playing the general , says ""on my singal unleesh hell"'...the administration, often leaps , then looks!.. The french position , has in honesty reflected european, and the broader opinion of international citzens, that want accountability first , action second.
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Posted on: 4:58 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Mr Alan
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Smegma says "But yes, I agree he may have dropped it anyway."
Then I don't think it is "weird" to say that the Soviet factor was not the determining issue in using the atomic bomb against Japan. I would concede that the Soviet factor may have influenced the timing of the Nagasaki attack in order to achieve a faster surrender of the Japanese before the Soviets entered the war against Japan.
But I also note that a Japanese unconditional surrender after Hiroshima alone was unlikely, and surrender was even opposed after Nagasaki.
ìJapan had received what would seem to have been overwhelming shocks. Yet, after two atomic bombings, massive conventional bombings, and the Soviet [threat of] invasion, the Japanese government still refused to surrenderÖthe Japanese Cabinet met. It was only this body - not the Big 6, not even the Emperor - that could rule as to whether Japan would surrender. And a unanimous decision was required (Butow, pg. 176-177, 208(43n)). But again War Minister Anami led the opponents of surrender, resulting in a vote of 12 in favor of surrender, 3 against, and 1 undecided.î [the cabinet later agreed to a surrender at the request of the Emperor]
http://www.doug-long.com/hiroshim.htm
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Posted on: 5:06 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Mr Alan
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The French position (IMO and documented elsewhere) is based almost entirely on its desire to reap the economic rewards of contracts negotiated with Saddam Hussein. These contracts include sales of nuclear technology, conventional arms, and oil field development expertise. Germany and Russia also had significant economic ties to Saddam Hussein.
Any allusion to higher principles in order to explain French actions in this matter is pure rubbish. This includes France's abstaining on the vote for UN inspections of Iraq after the first Gulf War in 1991.
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Posted on: 5:19 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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Smegma
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 5:06 pm on Sep. 7, 2003
Smegma says "But yes, I agree he may have dropped it anyway."
Then I don't think it is "weird" to say that the Soviet factor was not the determining issue in using the atomic bomb against Japan.
C'mon .... don't do the nokna thing of the strawman strategy addressing things selectively, twisting them and ignoring the other main points.
Your post above ... I don't know. What is the point you are trying to refute? Or to make? (as reply to the previous ones).
It becomes then an impossible debate. Please go back and read again the previous posts again. Don't loose the little credibility you have left now. Or else, one may have to ignore you on serious matters and resort to debating you only for the humor.
BTW, I do believe you do not really read the posts.
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Posted on: 5:27 am on Sep. 7, 2003
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