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1) The Nato document is refered to in one of Timothy Good's books, can't remember which one. Haven't got thecopy anymore, would be intereting tho check the source he has.
2) The propulsion systems engineer, ist hat Bob Lazaar?
He is being casted a lot of doubt on.
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Posted on: 6:33 am on Mar. 22, 2004
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CNN -December 16th - Thai/ Malay border>
It's heating up again - The truth out there and in here
Malaysian villagers claim UFO sighting
An unidentified flying object was sighted hovering over a quiet village in northern Kedah state near the Thai border, the second such sighting there in two years, a report said on Tuesday.
A nine-year-old boy saw a slow moving disc-like object about the size of a car emitting a greenish light spinning in the air over Banggol Cicar village near the town of Baling for about four minutes before it disappeared, the New Straits Times said.
Mohamad Amirul Syafiq said at first he thought it was a plane about to crash.
"I then called my friends to look at the object which was hovering just over the top of a coconut tree behind my house," he was quoted as saying.
Mohamad Faiz Alias, 12, said he thought Mohamad Amirul was joking.
"But we saw clearly the object in the air, emitting a bright light," Mohamad Faiz said.
Kamaruddin Othman, 12, said he realised the object was not a plane because it was silent.
His father, Othman Ahmad, 54, said he also caught sight of the UFO before it disappeared.
Two years ago, a villager said he saw a UFO hovering in the air while on his way to the mosque for pre-dawn prayers, the paper said.
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Posted on: 4:41 pm on Mar. 22, 2004
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Quote: from liftoff on 7:33 pm on Mar. 22, 2004
1) The Nato document is refered to in one of Timothy Good's books, can't remember which one. Haven't got thecopy anymore, would be intereting tho check the source he has.
2) The propulsion systems engineer, ist hat Bob Lazaar?
He is being casted a lot of doubt on.
Part two:-
Project Galileo
Name: Bob Lazar, independent contract scientist and businessman
Claim: To have worked as a propulsion-system engineer in late 1988 and early
1989 on one of nine extraterrestrial spacecraft being researched and tested
on the Nellis Air Range in central Nevada.
Background: From 1982 to 1984, Lazar claims he worked at Los Alamos National
Laboratory in New Mexico in the Meson Physics lab with a Q-level security
clearance. In 1985, while on vacation in Nevada, he wound up buying into a
legal Reno brothel; the investment proved so profitable that he didn't have
to return to full-time employment for a while. He moved to Nevada in 1986. In
1988, he wanted to get back into scientific work and was hired, he says, to
work on the top-secret Project Galileo. Lazar passed a lie-detector test in
1989, arranged by George Knapp, then an anchorman for KLAS-TV, the CBS
affiliate in Las Vegas, Nevada, for a special locally aired series, UFOs: The
Best Evidence.
The Story: "In 1988, I decided to reenter the scientific community and sent
resumes to various people. Finally, I interviewed with a placement firm to
work for the Department of Naval Intelligence in a civilian capacity, and in
the fall of 1988, I was hired on an on-call basis to work on a project
involving advanced propulsion systems. At that point, that's all I knew.
"Not long after, I was flown along with several others out to area 51 on the
Nellis Air Range. There, we were put on a bus with blacked-out windows and
driven about 15 miles south to the Papoose dry lake bed, bordered by the
Papoose Mountains, where there was an installation they called `S4.'
"I was introduced to my supervisor and a co-worker and then given a stack of
briefings on various projects, including Project Galileo, which was devoted
to the study of nine disc-shaped extraterrestrial craft that were somehow
acquired by the U.S. government.
"I was assigned back engineering tasks on the reactor and gravity-propulsion
system of one of the discs--essentially to help figure out what made it work.
I don't know whether it was a crash retrieval, although I doubt it, because
the disc didn't appear damaged in any way. In the briefing reports, there
were pictures of several discs along with some of the information they had
already obtained from back engineering research.
"I was stunned and exhilarated at the same time. But there were well-armed
guards everywhere, and this place wasn't exactly the kind of environment
where you could just start asking any and every question you had. Security,
in fact, was oppressive. You were escorted everywhere, even the bathroom. And
if your I.D. badge was just the slightest bit out of place, you would be
tackled by a guard and held with a gun to your head until your supervisor
arrived. And the guards lived for that.
"At times, the whole thing seemed just surreal. There was a poster of the
disc I was working on, which I dubbed the Sport Model, on several walls. It
read, They're here.
"I dealt with only the power sources and propulsion systems on one of the
discs, and I did enter that one disc on several occasions. The disc was
approximately 15 feet tall and about 52 feet in diameter. It had the
appearance of brushed stainless steel or brushed aluminum. I didn't run a
test on it, so I don't know if it was metal, but I did run my hands down the
side of it getting in, and it felt cold, like metal, and it looked like
metal. It had no physical seams, no welds or bolts or rivets, and it looked
as if it were injection molded.
"Inside, there were tiny little seats, much too small to comfortably handle
an averaged-sized human. I bumped my head on the ends of the craft, so I
concluded that the ceiling curved down to below five feet, 11 inches inside.
There was not a right angle cut anywhere in the craft. Everything had a
smooth curve to it.
"The reactor, which produced antimatter and then reacted it with matter in an
annihilation reaction, was only about 18 inches in diameter and 12 inches
tall and was located in the center of the disc. It operated like a tiny
ballet, where everything that happened relied on the effect before it. The
way it accelerated protons inside of it, the way the heat was converted to
electricity, was totally smooth without any wasted heat or latent energy. It
was phenomenal, approaching a 100-percent dynamic efficiency. Now that seems
impossible when you consider the laws of thermodynamics. All I can say is
that this technology is well beyond anything that we now know with our
twentieth- century knowledge.
"The reactor is fueled with an element that is not found here on Earth. Part
of my contribution to the program was to find out where this element plugged
into the periodic chart. Well, it didn't plug in anywhere, so we placed it at
an atomic number of 115. It has been theorized for some time that elements
around 113, 114, and 115 may become stable and nonradioactive, and this is
apparently what we were seeing. Element 115 is a stable element, but one with
some interesting properties. It can be used inside the reactor as a fuel, but
also as the source of an energy field accessed and amplified by the craft's
gravity amplifiers. In other words, the craft was both fueled and propelled
by virtue of element 115.
"There was a storage of silver-dollar-sized discs of element 115 from which
triangular wedges were cut and put into the reactor. It was a copper-orange
color and extremely heavy. While it was not radioactive, we assumed it was a
toxic material and consequently handled it as such.
"In all the discs at S4, there were three gravity amplifiers positioned in a
triad at the base of the craft. These were the propulsion devices.
Essentially, what they did was amplify gravity waves out of phase with those
of the earth. The craft operated in two modes--omicron and delta, which
indicated how many gravity amplifiers were in use. In the omicron
configuration, only one amplifier was used; the other two were swung out of
the way and tucked inside the disc. In omicron mode, the crafts can
essentially rise and hover but do little else. To leave the atmosphere,
however, all three gravity amplifiers have to be powered up and focused on
the desired location. Finally, the crafts do not travel in a linear mode.
Rather, we determined that the discs produced their own gravitational fields
in order to distort time and space and essentially pull their destinations to
them.
"One afternoon, my colleagues and I walked out onto the dry lake bed. The
disc on which we had been working, the Sport Model, had already been moved
out of the hangar and was beginning to lift off. Except for a slight hissing,
it made no noise. It lifted to about 30 feet off the ground. The hissing
stopped, and it just hung silently in the air, moving to the left, then
right. It was absolutely amazing.
"The way information is compartmentalized, that's all the hands-on
information and experience I was allowed to have access to, though we were
given the chance on occasion and only for short periods of time to read
briefing reports that detailed other aspects of this project. The reports I
read that dealt with power and propulsion systems were accurate, and I proved
that to myself by working on the system. Still, I draw a hard line between
what I know to be true and what I read in the other briefing reports.
"With that understanding, I did read reports about the origin of this disc.
According to one of the briefings, it came from the Zeta Reticuli star
system. Now obviously I didn't fly in a craft or go to that star system, so I
don't really know if it came from there. I didn't speak to any aliens or see
any, so I don't know if they exist or not. That report also said that contact
was made at a certain date; however, all the dates were in code. Also,
according to the report, these beings told our officials that they had been
coming here for 10,000 years, that humans are the product of externally
corrected evolution, and that they were integral to the accelerated evolution
of man.
"My tolerance for the intensive security rapidly diminished. Because of the
24-hour telephone surveillance, they found out I was having marital problems
and told me the situation had made me a candidate for `emotional
instability.' They then took my security clearance and told me I could
reapply in six months.
"Well, I knew the test schedule, and I couldn't resist, so one night I
decided to show some friends from a distance what I had been working on. We
all caravaned out into the desert where we watched a test flight. We got away
it with it that time, so we started coming back again and again.
"Anyway, the third time we got caught by the Wackenhut Security guards out on
the Bureau of Land Management land that surrounds the range. They turned me
in. Needless to say, officials at Nellis weren't happy. I went through a
debriefing and was threatened at that time. I was scared and felt that I
needed to break away from this before I couldn't.
"Not only did I believe this technology should be given to the greater
scientific community, but I also believed my only protection was to get the
story out. A friend convinced me to talk to George Knapp at KLAS-TV. I
figured if they killed me, then it would simply prove that what I was saying
was true.
"There are many scientists who theorize that there simply cannot be
extraterrestrial discs here, that aliens could not possibly have come here
specifically, because the distance traveled is too great and the energy
required too awesome, and that there's no relatively quick way to go that
distance even at the speed of light. What I reported is what I experienced,
though in some respects I regret going public. If I had it to do over again,
I might be more inclined to stay on as one of the boys."
Update: In 1990, after Lazar says he was released from Project Galileo, he
accepted a freelance job setting up a database and surveillance system for an
illegal Las Vegas brothel. That gig eventually garnered him six felony
counts, including aiding and abetting a prostitute, running a house of
prostitution, and living off the earnings of a prostitute. The charges were
quickly dropped to a single felony count of pandering. The one good thing
that came out of the resulting trial, Lazar says, is that he's not being
followed anymore--at least not to his knowledge. "I guess they figured the
pandering conviction discredited me," he comments.
Lazar currently earns a living from his two small companies, an independent
contracting firm that repairs nuclear devices, and a photo lab. He also
builds and races jetcars. And, every year since 1984, on the weekend before
July 4, he has staged Desert Blast, which he says is the "the largest illegal
fireworks show in the West." This annual pyrotechnic extravaganza features
huge fireworks and assorted gas bombs made by Lazar and friends as well as
jetcar demonstrations and a little semiautomatic weapons venting. Lazar
recently sold his movie rights and is working on a new home video.
Official Response: "The Air Force comment is that there is no comment on
anything that goes on at the Nellis Range," says Air Force Master Sgt. J. C.
Marcom of Public Affairs. Meanwhile, according to Technical Sergeant
Henderson of Public Affairs, "The Air Force has no record that Lazar ever
worked at Nellis Air Force Base, though we have compiled an extensive list of
inquiries as to his status."
The Critics' Corner: "We've pretty well determined that Lazar did work at Los
Alamos, but it's been impossible to verify exactly what he did," says Mark
Rodeghier, scientific director of the Center for UFO Studies. "As for element
115, physicists admit that such an element is theoretically possible, but we
don't know how to manufacture it or where to get it. So, Lazar's claim to
have worked with this element is not necessarily insane, but it's completely
unverifiable. Finally, he seems to know enough to have really worked at Area
51 or Dreamland where secret aircraft are tested, but his story remains a
murky mystery. The bottom line: It's impossible to verify. So far, we have
not found anyone to corroborate the essentials of what Lazar says."
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Posted on: 3:45 am on Mar. 23, 2004
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a) What's the relevance of *ANY* of this to Thailand?
b) Isn't there another board to deal with crap like that?
Harry
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:36 am on Mar. 23, 2004
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Hal2001
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The relevance is:
1) Some aliens are reptiles (and so are some members of this board)
2) The head of this thread is UFO's over Thailand, if you scope the thread you will see this happened as late as Dec 16th (They may still be there)
3) Some TG's are aliens
4) Some LB's are not aliens
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:37 pm on Mar. 23, 2004
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"Part of my contribution to the program was to find out where this element plugged into the periodic chart.
I think they would get an eminent chemist to do that, not an engineer. Engineers don't know crap about the periodic table, much less for an element that has not been discovered.
So what if he worked at Los Alamos Lab? Big deal!! I worked there also.
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Posted on: 9:24 pm on Mar. 23, 2004
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Quote: from Hal2001 on 5:37 am on Mar. 24, 2004
The relevance is:
1) Some aliens are reptiles (and so are some members of this board)
2) The head of this thread is UFO's over Thailand, if you scope the thread you will see this happened as late as Dec 16th (They may still be there)
3) Some TG's are aliens
4) Some LB's are not aliens
This would actually be funny, if you guys weren't serious about it.
There are <a href="http://www.area-51.org">other boards</a> that would eat these kind of discussions up : <a href="http://www.area-51.org">http://www.area-51.org</a>
So, if I start a thread labeled 'Thai P4P politics", and discuss 90% Sherpa Training in Florida, while once in a while mentioning "some Sherpas know about Thailand", that would be okay as well, then?
Alrighty, then.
Harry
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:28 pm on Mar. 23, 2004
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When th threat is on - see what may happen:
U.S. Planned Secret Government after Soviets Launched Sputnik in 1957
By Hope Yen
Associated Press
posted: 02:50 pm ET
21 March 2004
WASHINGTON (AP) _ CBS President Frank Stanton was one of six private citizens secretly recruited and granted authority by President Eisenhower to run major components of the government if a Soviet attack wiped out many American leaders.
No public announcement of the appointments was made. Their existence was confirmed by recently publicized Eisenhower administration letters.
A few weeks after the Soviets launched the first manmade satellite in 1957, shattering America's sense of security, Stanton was summoned to the White House to see Eisenhower.
Stanton knew his friend was agonizing over how to respond to Sputnik and the terrorizing thought that permeated America: Had the Soviets gained a huge first-strike advantage in the nuclear arms race?
But Stanton learned Eisenhower also was wrestling with how best to ensure the U.S. government could function in an emergency.
Stanton, who had no experience or ambitions in government, was taken aback when the president asked if he would be willing to oversee a federal communications agency after such an attack.
"I was surprised and startled by the breadth of the assignment," said the 96-year-old Stanton, who lives in Boston.
Nervous about the awesome task of keeping the nation's telephone, radio and television systems operating after an attack, Stanton said he nevertheless "agreed to do my chore."
"The president was planning for the unthinkable," said retired Army Gen. Andrew J. Goodpaster, Eisenhower's staff secretary. "He wanted to bring in the wisdom and competence to reinforce whatever elements of the government survived and provide some assurance that our government could not be decapitated."
Presidents are granted vast powers under the Constitution to lead the nation in times of war or enemy attack.
Shortly after the 2001 terrorist attacks, President Bush created a shadow government of 75 to 150 officials who worked in mountainside bunkers outside Washington to ensure the government would function if the capital came under attack.
All those officials already were in government when they were given the assignment. Eisenhower is believed to be the first president to go outside government to look for leaders in a crisis.
"Eisenhower went beyond the normal lines of succession, which I think was a reflection of the widespread paralyzing fear that swept the country in the 1950s," said Peter Kuznick, a history professor and director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University.
Besides Stanton, the appointees included George Baker, a Harvard Business School professor who was tapped to oversee transportation; Harold Boeschenstein, president of Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp., in charge of manufacturing and production; Aksel Nielsen, president of the Title Guaranty Co., housing; J. Ed Warren, senior vice president of the First National City Bank of New York, energy; and Theodore Koop, vice president of CBS, to oversee an emergency censorship agency. Koop would have had 40 civilian staff members to monitor and control wartime information about the devastation.
Eisenhower also appointed two Cabinet secretaries and Federal Reserve Chairman William McChesney Martin to emergency posts for currency stabilization, food and labor.
"The people Eisenhower chose, while they were his friends, they were also the captains of industry of his day. People like Bill Gates today," said Bill Geerhart, editor of a Web site called Conelrad, or Control of Electromagnetic Radiation. That was the name of nation's first emergency broadcasting system, established by President Truman.
The site posted the Eisenhower documents after obtaining them from the Eisenhower Presidential Library in Abilene, Kan.
The selections were based as much on the appointees' geographic location and personal relationships with Eisenhower as their expertise. Nielsen, for example, was Eisenhower's regular fishing buddy.
The presidential form letters dated March 6, 1958, provide for the appointees to immediately take office in the event of a national emergency. Until then, they were asked to keep their status secret. They were promised an undisclosed salary but there were few specifics about their jobs.
The documents show the secret group met in July 1960 with the now-defunct Office of Civil and Defense Mobilization to discuss staffing for their agencies. But work barely got started before the group was relieved of its duties by President Kennedy, who took office in 1961.
Still, subsequent administrations have made contingency plans for government continuity _ often involving citizens outside government _ in the event of a devastating attack. For example, Kennedy's director of emergency planning, Frank Ellis, said in 1961 that the president had emergency appointees for transportation, agriculture and communications.
During the Reagan administration, then-Rep. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, who was chief executive of the pharmaceutical company G.D. Searle & Co., were key players in a secret program to set aside the legal lines of succession and install a new president in a catastrophe, The Atlantic Monthly reported this month.
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Posted on: 3:55 am on Mar. 24, 2004
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Quote: from hzink on 12:36 am on Mar. 24, 2004
a) What's the relevance of *ANY* of this to Thailand?
b) Isn't there another board to deal with crap like that?
Harry
'Arry Boy, ('Mr I only have my opinion' )
More than you think or obviously believe.
There is a temple to the north of Bangkok that belongs to the controversial Dhammakaya sect.
http://www.dmky.com/
http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/electrical/362/main.html
http://www.bose.com/pro/dd/marketing/pdfs/dhammakaya.htm
It looks just like the UFO from the film 'The Day the Earth Stood Still'
Hong Kong has a large UFO community, not sure of China because of the politics. T.Lobsang Rampa talked about Buddhist monks and UFO's/aliens.
This site has some interesting ancient Chinese pictures:-
http://www.ufoartwork.com/
Brazil has in remote areas been plagued by UFO's/aliens/abductions/mutilations.
Why should Thailand escape?
Starting a thread on UFO's over Thailand will need background information on UFO's to see if any Thai reports or incidents correspond. Whatever the 'Alien Abduction' phenomina is I can hardly believe it escaped Thailand. I remember staying in a village up north and seeing the stars (without background streetlight illumination) and thinking how dark the night was. I wondered if there would be any local UFO stories ?
A subject like 'UFO's over Thailand' will lead the thread in a number of directions. Because Thailand is so involved with the US anything of HAL2001's posting will eventually have some effect on LOS.
In the end everything is interrelated, which is very Buddhist.
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