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MarkC
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Quote: from richie rev on 5:57 am on Nov. 6, 2004
i hope we do introduce id cards in the uk.
we have problem with illegal immigrants/illegal workers here.also underage drinking/smoking etc.i think its only a matter of time b4 its introduced.i hate those 'civil liberties lobbys' we have here.they're putting a stop to progress.imho.
Illegal immigrants? You should check some figures and not believe everything the UKIP says  And how exactly will ID cards solve the problem? Illegal immigrants are already illegal...no paperwork...no visa...in future no ID card? Hasn't solved the problem anywhere else, why would the UK be different?
Illegal workers? They exist, mainly in agriculture. They do the jobs so badly paid no one else will do them. The supermarkets depend in part on them for their huge profits and as major contributors to all parties don't expect much to be done about illegal workers.
Underage drinking and smoking? Laws--and pub ID card schemes--already exist to deal with these problems. The corner shops, newsagents and supermarkets that sell booze and fags to kids already know it's illegal...how would ID cards help?
ID cards=progress? How so?
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jisman...'I have noticed that the last few emails have clearly stated that original passport (not photocopy) must be carried at all times in Thailand.'
I believe that the law in Thailand is that foreign nationals must carry their passports at all times. I suppose if one was arsey enough to a Thai policeman you could end up being deported for not carrying your passport. I reckon that that's so unlikely as to be almost impossible. I only know one person who has ever been asked for their passport and that was during a police raid checking on underage Thai drinkers.
In the big drug raids people have been held overnight for not carrying passports, but this is really only until an officer is free to accompany them to their hotel.
The law may well say 'carry your passport', but it also says 'prostitution is illegal'. I think a smile, very little eye contact, a generally subservient demeanour and a photocopy will get you out of almost anything...
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Posted on: 10:56 pm on Nov. 5, 2004
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I welcome the idea that all in the UK should have an IDcard but not to make it compulsory to carry at all times, with the already available technologies there is no reason if the police or any other official whished to verify your ID they could be done by you giving them your name, DOB, etc., as is the norm now in the UK, using mobile phones with LCD display on a government exclusives system that would display your photo held on the system, in other instances you may have to show it at banks, to prospective employers, etc., but in these instances you should know in advance if you may be required to do so.
I have many other ideas on security like RFID tags inserted into passports, and filling in landing cards online before departing and on arrival going to a machine that reads your passport and prints it out for you, then you could have a fast track way through immigration as the IO would not have to type in all the information that they have to do now.
Unfortunately I do not have the time to elaborate more on the subject as this I think will be my last post before departing to LOS for 2 weeks and I do not intend spending much time in internet cafes.
BB
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Posted on: 1:43 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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richie rev
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good points marc
but im just thinking that it must be a success in some countries of the world.we are a very developed country.in thailand,when the police catch these russian girls or other farangs with no id/or invalid visa what do they do with them???expel them??or just take a bribe.not gonna happen here much.in the last few months alots changed here in birmingham.many new overseas workers come here.they avoid london as its too expensive to live there.birminghams the 2nd city and loads of jobs here.im a restaurant manager and employ staff.i get no more english people applying for work.mainly enquiries from poland,czech republic now.however if these jobseekers had a valid id card I would know its safe to employ them and would cut out the amount of times I would find out they are not allowed to work.many now come from russia/ukraine (still outside the european union) and are not able to work here.
the government over the last year has called on me to show id/passports for all my employees.proof of visas etcetc.i'll be fined if ones an illegal immigrant.
those who get away with employing these illegal immigrants,i dont know how??but its a major city...no agriculture.if they had no id cards (hangin around the city centre) then the police could round em up.
we do have a illegal immigrant problem but its only just beginning.the press are correct.i see it with my own eyes.
i agree nothing can stop the corner shops selling to underage age kids,but off liscences can.i saw a tv program this week where the police set up traps by sendingkids in to buy alcohol.licsences are withdrawn if they sell.i cannot afford the risk...i check all time.no id...no job...no id no alcahol.
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Posted on: 3:50 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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MarkC
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Quote: from richie rev on 3:44 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
good points marc
but im just thinking that it must be a success in some countries of the world.we are a very developed country.in thailand,when the police catch these russian girls or other farangs with no id/or invalid visa what do they do with them???expel them??or just take a bribe.not gonna happen here much.in the last few months alots changed here in birmingham.many new overseas workers come here.they avoid london as its too expensive to live there.birminghams the 2nd city and loads of jobs here.im a restaurant manager and employ staff.i get no more english people applying for work.mainly enquiries from poland,czech republic now.however if these jobseekers had a valid id card I would know its safe to employ them and would cut out the amount of times I would find out they are not allowed to work.many now come from russia/ukraine (still outside the european union) and are not able to work here.
the government over the last year has called on me to show id/passports for all my employees.proof of visas etcetc.i'll be fined if ones an illegal immigrant.
those who get away with employing these illegal immigrants,i dont know how??but its a major city...no agriculture.if they had no id cards (hangin around the city centre) then the police could round em up.
we do have a illegal immigrant problem but its only just beginning.the press are correct.i see it with my own eyes.
i agree nothing can stop the corner shops selling to underage age kids,but off liscences can.i saw a tv program this week where the police set up traps by sendingkids in to buy alcohol.licsences are withdrawn if they sell.i cannot afford the risk...i check all time.no id...no job...no id no alcahol.
'but im just thinking that it must be a success in some countries of the world' Please tell me where and how that success is quantified.
In Thailand they simply check the documentation of those 'russian girls or other farangs'. No passport, no stay. No visa, no stay. Simple really. If they don't have a passport/correct visa they can deport them, imprison them, have some nice tea, basically whatever they like. There's also the problem of Thais with no ID card, but that's really a different discussion.
The jobseekers you encounter in Brum will either have EU passports or non-EU passports with a visa of some sort. Check their passports, it's easy and you'll know it's 'safe to employ' them. Why on earth do they need ID cards?
The police obviously can't tell who has and who hasn't got an ID card in their pocket, so...hmmm, correct me if I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick...you're actually suggesting the police close the city centre, round up people 'hanging around' and check everyone's ID card? Or just round up everyone who looks 'suspicious'?
Since I expect you're against the idea of mass round-ups, here's an idea...instead of expensive ID cards which won't really solve the problem, why not just make all 'unsavioury' types wear some sort of visible marking?
I don't know, something like a pink triangle for the poofs, a green triangle for convicted criminals, red triangles for those that voted against the current government, purple triangles for Jehovah's Witnesses, black triangles for the homeless and women on the pill...have I forgotten anyone? What about yellow triangles?
All sounds a bit silly to me... 
The police certainly send underage kids into newsagents and corner shops in London and prosecute those that illegally sell cigarettes. If it doesn't happen in Brum and you're concerned, have a word with your local council.
PS That's Mark with a 'K'.
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Posted on: 4:53 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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MarkC
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Re-reading my last post it does seem a bit harsh. Sorry richie rev...
The problem is if ID cards actually achieved all that their proponents claimed, they might/would be a good idea. But just because someone says 'ID cards will combat terrorism, solve the illegal immigrant problem, decrease crime, etc., etc.' doesn't make it true. Look at the countries that have ID cards and compare crime rates, illegal immigrant numbers, etc., etc. with those in the UK.
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Posted on: 5:15 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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richie rev
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thank you mark
my point mainly was if thailand can expel those russian girls with no id/passports so could we.im sure you,ve seen that footage of people being smuggled over in trucks.no passport/id etc.the euro union members can work of course,no problem,but when non eu jobseekers apply without showing visa,i bcome suspicious.id cards should help a bit,veryone should carry one.police dont need to do round ups,just do what they normally do.randomly check motorists,check suspicious behaviour.ive no evidence to show that id cards work well,do,but why do countries have them?they must have them for a reason.if it prevents a group of 17 yo lads buying loads of booze it can only be good,cant it??
after reading the original post,i thought...oh no...another reply to a newbie who gets an earful....but your after comments were welcome.im not into the slangin matches like I read on other posts.
best wishes
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Posted on: 5:46 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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MarkC
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Me neither, that was the reason for my last post...didn't mean to sound quite so harsh, sorry.
'my point mainly was if thailand can expel those russian girls with no id/passports so could we.'
Thailand does, so do we. What if they claim asylum though? The UK is made up of immigrants and refugees from everywhere. That's what makes us, us. Much more so than anywhere I have experience of or have read about. If someone turns up asking you for work they will either have documentation saying they're legally allowed to work (be that a visa or a letter from the Home Office...whatever) or they won't. How will an ID card add anything to that? If a jobseeker doesn't have documentation you have two choices: tell them to 'sod off' or join the black economy. Up to you--you know the choices and the potential consequences.
Police checking motorists? That's what driving licences are for...why have an ID card for that?
'ive no evidence to show that id cards work'
That's the problem, neither does anyone else. Many countries have them because they're oppressive police states. Some because they thought it would be a good idea and inertia means they've just kept them, some for historic political reasons, some because that's how they set up their social services/medical care setups. None of these reasons apply in the UK.
'if it prevents a group of 17 yo lads buying loads of booze it can only be good,cant it??'
If someone's going to sell booze to kids then they're going to do it with or without ID cards.
Anyway, I think I've said enough about ID cards now. When are you coming to Thailand? January? Fancy a cold beer Chang?
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Posted on: 6:15 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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richie rev
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yeah,enuff said.you should be on a debate show when we actually start to impliment them.after labour wins the next election??
im in thailand/laos/cambodia/vietnam for 7 weeks from 2 jan.i dont know my plan yet,apart from shagging,sitting on beach,and clubbing.
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Posted on: 6:24 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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