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Smegma
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I think Ader's flight was. And he was FRENCH!!
Anyway, even in the USA there were others before the Wright brothers. Augustus Herring built a biplane hang glider in 1898 with a small compressed-air engine. Herring first flew his powered, heavier-than-air craft 50 feet on October 10, 1898 in St. Joseph, Michigan.
The brothers were the first to have a 1) heavier-than-air 2) powered 3) controlled 4) photographed flight. If you take out any of the 4 items, others before the brothers did with different combinations of 3 out of the 4 criteria above.
There is some debate about how "controlled" all these flights were anyway.
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Posted on: 5:37 am on Dec. 1, 2003
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NaughtiusMaximus
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hey, always wanted to know this. All you guys that have a better than average interest and knowledge of aviation, do you also fly, or just like to watch and if it is the later, does that flow into other life pursuits as well.
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Posted on: 5:50 am on Dec. 1, 2003
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Smegma
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Go imagine.
Ok, just kidding. I piloted. But I don't anymore. Got instruction and flew solo at the tender age of 17 on a PA28. Only got about 43 hours in the left seat. Right seat, since the age of 7; never counted them -hundreds of hours (but those don't count anyway).
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Posted on: 6:05 am on Dec. 1, 2003
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NaughtiusMaximus
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ok, I used to see lots of guys with their binoculars and radios outside the airports, usually under the main runway approach and documenting everything. Also used to get the aviation mag in Oz and they had a section from guys that listened to radio broadcasts all day and sent in interesting comments and strange accounts. Always wondered what drove them to do this, especially if they had not actually any flying experience, afterall, that is the ultimate buzz, actually doing it rather than watching and worse still just listening.
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Posted on: 6:09 am on Dec. 1, 2003
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Smegma
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I agree with you. I always wondered about the love to just "see" planes. However, I do understand the real aviation enthusiast that is a pilot.
Growing up, Sunday afternoons at home I would have my father following the ATC watching all the small civil aviation planes circling for landing, and listening to their radio conversations. At least my father did fly (well, still does). He always had a plane; at times more than one and some rebuilt by him -his latest hobby became to buy totalled planes from insurance companies and rebuilt them to certifiable condition. He also built once a helicopter from a make-at-home-kit. I guess for all these reasons I couldnt care so much when I ws a teenager about flying -to my father's sorrow and my mother's delight -my summer holidays were spent always either helping him built something or going to Oshkosh, WI for the annual EAA meeting.
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Posted on: 6:20 am on Dec. 1, 2003
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NaughtiusMaximus
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Well I am scared of heights, so I never got to high. But know I see where you got the interest from. I flew but I never had the actuall interest in it that enthusiasts do, I just liked to f*ck around, kinda the story of my life.
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Posted on: 6:24 am on Dec. 1, 2003
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Quote: from rezyek on 9:27 pm on Nov. 29, 2003
Quote: from Smegma on 1:00 pm on Nov. 27, 2003
BTW, didn't Fokker go down a few years ago? Who bought it?
nobody wanted it!!... painfull issue for the dutchies... our national pride... down the drain... bankrupt... still a little bit of the company left for like the maintenance of fokker airplanes and a small bit for development (for airbus and boeing)... that's it... snif...
For a company with such an illustrious history I found it paticularly tragic. There were quite a few white tails sitting around and that was the end. Fokker developed the FK60 (stretched FK50) the Dutch military bought a few. The F-27 was also streched and built in America as the Fairchild FA-22. An old friend used to fly the F-27 for AirUK. No syncro on the props and no autopilot (they didn't want to pay the certification update) Hand flying from Leeds to Paris !!! He's on Bae-146's now. I like that plane also but it is expensive to operate. The Air Andaman FK 50 I flew on only went to flight level 150 (15,000ft) but I have seen Irish ones out of Dublin up at FL210 (21,000ft) doing 270 knots.VLM at London City have just started a five times a day service from LCY to Liverpool. Nice plane sad story. The Fokker 70 & 100 jets did not sell too well either. I have flown on a Fk100 from Zurich to Amsterdam. Didn't really like it although Portugalia seem to have used them successfully. The Boeing 717 (aka DC-9/MD80 series) again seems a good'un but sales have also been poor. The A318 will be an interesting machine when it comes on line (I think Air France may have some already). The Bombardier/DeHaviland Dash 8 Q400 after slow sales is beginning to pick up. Some of the early ones delivered had a few technical problems (cracking, electronics etc) but this aircraft has monster engines and belts along at 350 knots. Economical? Runs almost on fumes!
So if you want to run an airline in Thailand you need an aircraft that is reliable and economic. Take your pick.
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Posted on: 5:05 am on Dec. 9, 2003
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