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Rye Man:
Here we go again. The US is the bad guy and the terrorists are merely "freedom fighters" trying to drive the evil empire out of their country. You have really bought off on the CBC/Toronto Sun/Toronto Star line haven't you?
Let me ask you a question. What if Canada is invaded by, oh, say Iceland? Since your defensive capabilities depend on a few Mounties on horseback, how are you going to defend yourselves from the rampant Icelanders in their 4 wheel drives? Let me answer that for you. The good old USA gets to jump to your defense and take out the bad guys. It appears to me you Canadians should get down on your hands and knees and thank the US for keeping your lazy asses safe from an invasion from Iceland, and not bash us for trying to do what should be done in the world.
Now about your statement that the planet is so much more dangerous since the Iraq war. Which planet are you talking about? I recall the Munich Olympics of 1972, the Iranian takeover of the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979, the Beirut US Marines barracks in 1983, the Achille Lauro in 1985, TWA flight 847 in 1985, Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988, World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the US Embassies in Kanya and Zaire in 1998, and oh yes, 9/11/01. Did these events occur before or after Afghanistan and Iraq?
Say all you want, guys...the only way to beat terrorism is to root them out, kill them and give the people they are oppressing some democracy and self rule. It will succeed in Iraq and Afghanistan if we will all work together.
And we don't want their stinking oil. If all we wanted was the oil we could take a flat bed truck loaded with Texas Rangers and take over the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia. It would be one hell of a lot cheaper.
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Posted on: 1:42 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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griffin
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well may be the usa do realise at some point in time that there is a reason why some democracies are participating in afghanistan but not in iraq.
afghanistan is/was a problem/threat (bin laden), iraq not.
why doesn't any half way intelligent person in the states question why so many of the former allies in afghanistan are not participating in iraq?
i guess to many people are just buying that old europe versus new europe propaganda crap? could it be that there is a good reason, that more than half of the the top 8 world economies (G8) are not participating in iraq but were/are in afghanistan?
please enlighten me, me not understand!
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Posted on: 1:44 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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expatchuck
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Quote: from griffin on 1:56 pm on Aug. 3, 2005
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well may be the usa do realise at some point in time that there is a reason why some democracies are participating in afghanistan but not in iraq.
afghanistan is/was a problem/threat (bin laden), iraq not.
why doesn't any half way intelligent person in the states question why so many of the former allies in afghanistan are not participating in iraq?
i guess to many people are just buying that old europe versus new europe propaganda crap? could it be that there is a good reason, that more than half of the the top 8 world economies (G8) are not participating in iraq but were/are in afghanistan?
please enlighten me, me not understand!
Griffin:
The lack of participation can be summed up very succinctly.
"OIL FOR FOOD"
Afghanistan had no oil, Iraq did.
Saddam had his hooks so deep into the politicians in France, Germany, Russia and China that they did everything they could to forestall any military action in order to keep the kickbacks and bribes flowing to them.
Don't they report any of the UN investigation into this scandal on European television or newspapers?
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Posted on: 1:51 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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RyeMan
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ExpatChuck,
I welcome our new Icelandic overlords!
Sorry, I have never read the Toronto Star/Sun.... I like to read both sides of the story (ex. Iraq news in Man. Guardian and Fox news) first and then something balanced (ex. BBC).
The only fear of invasion in Canada is from the US, the rest of our neighboors have learned long ago that territorial conquest doesnt work in the long run.
I am referring to the planet earth, most of your examples are proof that US foreign policy generates bad repercussions. The saddest thing is that the Iraq invasion blunder has now solidified the terrorists cause and greatly increased their numbers. Way to go Shrub.
Rye
PS I apologise to everyone for extending this off-topic thread. This should be moved somewhere off line.
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Posted on: 2:10 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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griffin
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ah!
so now I understand because saddam bribed the un and most of europe and the other g8 countries they were not willing to participate in iraq! sure that makes sense!
and because afghanistan is a poor country and couldn't pay bribes to european governments and the un they were invaded!
thank you for the explanation! now I am happy to understand that the european governments can be bribed and the us government is the only one acting out of pure generousity.
ouch, do they really explain it to the american public like that?
and even more ouch, is the us american population really accepting and more so believing such an explanation?
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Posted on: 2:12 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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Quote: from expatchuck on 2:03 am on Aug. 3, 2005
Quote: from griffin on 1:56 pm on Aug. 3, 2005
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well may be the usa do realise at some point in time that there is a reason why some democracies are participating in afghanistan but not in iraq.
afghanistan is/was a problem/threat (bin laden), iraq not.
why doesn't any half way intelligent person in the states question why so many of the former allies in afghanistan are not participating in iraq?
i guess to many people are just buying that old europe versus new europe propaganda crap? could it be that there is a good reason, that more than half of the the top 8 world economies (G8) are not participating in iraq but were/are in afghanistan?
please enlighten me, me not understand!
Griffin:
The lack of participation can be summed up very succinctly.
"OIL FOR FOOD"
Afghanistan had no oil, Iraq did.
Saddam had his hooks so deep into the politicians in France, Germany, Russia and China that they did everything they could to forestall any military action in order to keep the kickbacks and bribes flowing to them.
Don't they report any of the UN investigation into this scandal on European television or newspapers?
You Da Man! 
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Posted on: 2:16 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from RyeMan on 2:22 pm on Aug. 3, 2005
I am referring to the planet earth, most of your examples are proof that US foreign policy generates bad repercussions.
Well, that must be it... we now have proof positive, given by our friend RyeMan, that Islamic terrorists possess time travel technologies, as they clearly saw waht pissed them off in the present (or future) and then went back in time to engage in all of these terrorist acts, most of which the USA had nothing to do with.
Yeah, things get really funny when you INVENT a reality that doesn't exist - you may want to consider THIS planet Earth, not the one in your head, RyeMan.
Quote: from dagul on 11:37 am on Aug. 3, 2005
I’m certainly not as well read as some of you in here, but I really don't think the U.S. is getting "cozy" w/ the Chinese. It's all a front. From what I’ve heard the Chinese government has implemented a rather slick choke hold strategy of unloading eye-widening investments in major geographic choke points on the globe, which has got the U.S. government paranoid. The U.S. understands if a future confrontation were to occur it could pose a serious problem for them.
While the posing and gesturing by the US sure gives that impression, it kinda loses in credibility when at the same time, the US government returns to China to borrow more money, and more money, and more money... and hopes the Chinese aren't going to call in those debts (another reason why the US wanted China to float their currency, as it would make the US side of the debt worth less, or so they hope).
Make no mistake about it, the US is at the mercy of our new Chinese Overlords, and that's certainly quite cozy...
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Posted on: 2:22 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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Quote: from Cennn3 on 4:11 am on Aug. 3, 2005
Please read this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,976392,00.html
If the main aim of the insurgents is to kill shi'a muslims and not American soldiers then why have they killed over 1800 soldiers, over 50 journalists and over 254 contractors.
Ok, well thank you for giving me a link to the article by the Guardian. It seems absolutely amazing what you can find out if you read the papers.
Anyway according to them a minimum of 5000 civilians were killed during the invasion.
Now if you look at this
http://www.iraqbodycount.net you will see there is a minimum civilian deaths of just over 23000, so that is 18000 civilian deaths since the invasion finished. The vast majority of those killed by the insurgency. So I will ask you again how do you know more civilianas were killed by the coalition than by insurgents?
“If the main aim of the insurgents is to kill shi'a muslims and not American soldiers then why have they killed over 1800 soldiers, over 50 journalists and over 254 contractors.”
Well that is not just in the insurgency, that is total deaths since the beginning of the invasion. Two different things. Anyway the total number of servicemen killed is significantly less than the number of civilians killed since the end of the insurgency. For somebody who obviously takes such a strong view on such a sensitive subject you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the current situation. I would suggest you spend sometime studying it, and then you wouldn’t be such a silly billy. 
Also journalists and contractors are not American soldiers. Doh.
"I do not remember the Soviet Union being bankrupt, but it must be true because you say so."
Well thats a bit like saying it couldn’t have happened because you don’t remember it. 
"If the USA army was not there in the first place is the theme. Doh. "
Theme? We are not talking themes here, you said if the US was not in Iraq then there would be no more killing (present tense), that means in Iraq now einstein, and you suggested your facts were correct they weren’t. Doh
"The USA backed up Saddam in his war with Iran supplying arms and intelligence."
No shit Sherlock.
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Posted on: 2:42 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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RyeMan
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Daffy,
Expat listed the following examples, "Munich Olympics of 1972, the Iranian takeover of the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979, the Beirut US Marines barracks in 1983, the Achille Lauro in 1985, TWA flight 847 in 1985, Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988, World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the US Embassies in Kanya and Zaire in 1998, and oh yes, 9/11/01. "
I do not agree with a terrorist response, but the above responses were made due to un-balanced foreign policy decisions in Isreal (and to a lesser extent the meddling in Iran and Lebanon in ExpatChucks examples) over the last few decades. Cause and effect.
Fortunately, I believe the Americans are finally figuring out that they should listen to both sides of this conflict. Maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel.
Rye
PS My last post in this thread....flame away!
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Posted on: 2:54 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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To see if a war is " required in the need of peace and good for ALL man-kind" you only need to look to two factors,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
1) MOST important, the French do NOT agree with it
2) The Australians ARE involved.
This sums up the good/evil of any said problem.
With Iraq we had the French saying " no no, we no want, Iraq not bad ". This said Australian television showed convoys of Iraqi and French trucks driving the oil across the border to supply France with cheap oil ( forgot which border country was involved).
With Australia agreeing to help with the over-throw of Sadam you see one of the worlds most peacefull countries agreeing that the autrocities are beyond acceptable limits and must be stopped.
So follow the Aussies and always go opposite way to the Frogs and the world will be a better place
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Posted on: 4:26 am on Aug. 3, 2005
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