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Smegma
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 9:04 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
They were not about to surrender in any other scenario than what occurred after Nagasaki.
There is no way on earth anyone would know that. The same way the Emperor changed his mind and forced the resolution, he could maybe have decided to do the same under another later scenario. Maybe. Maybe.
I find you sounding so sure surprising when in another post you say in regards to another matter. " In hindsight, that may have been an error (or maybe not, it's difficult to know what would have happened otherwise)." hmmm... very selectively inconsistent style.
You could say your opinion is such and such. But such an absolulte type of statement just remind me of your autoritative lecturing in the "medical question on Thai women thread." Sadly, you sound smart, but your debating style betrays you.
BTW, I tend to agree with a few things you say here. But I think it is a matter of happy coincidence. On a real debate, you could be cut to pieces.
I also will remind all that these types of discussion is what prompted BK to create the Z forum. But I guess by now we can just shit on all that and do as we wish and disregard the rules regarding topics to be discussed here.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:10 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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Smegma
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 1:40 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
I guess France is just one of those rogue nations that doesn't care about the rest of the world and just does whatever pleases them.
I guess you are right on this one. Same like Israel, the USA and many others.
By the way, interesting how you use that justify the mistake you were shown to have made, to make it still sound as though you had made some sense -despite being totallly wrong on the statement discussed previously.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:16 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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Smegma
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 5:57 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
I would like to know from you (and some others) about how many people on both sides would have died had the bomb not been used, and the war had ended with a US invasion of Japan.
Let me go consult my crystal ball and I will get back to you.
How would anyone KNOW such a thing? Do you KNOW for a fact the answer?
Damn! Reading all these nonsense is an insult to intellect. I am starting to find it quite funny.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:29 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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Mr Alan
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My comment about France being a rogue state was meant to be sarcastic and not to justify any other actions by any other nation. Whether or not a country is acting as a rogue state really depends on each nations point of view. And it is certainly possible that one country can be right and all others can be wrong.
If you are referring to US action in Iraq, there were many nations involved in the coalition (even if they did not all send troops). France was virtually alone (to the best of my knowledge) in its defiance of international agreements to stop nuclear testing in the atmosphere.
But even worse was France selling of nuclear technology to Iraq and (maybe) Israel. Just by coincidence, the same person (French President Chirac) who authorized nuclear testing in the atmosphere in the late 1990's, also was directly responsible for selling nuclear technology (and probably biological weapons) to countries in the Middle East during the 1980's.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 3:41 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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Mr Alan
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Regarding whether the Japanese would have surrendered without dropping nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, obviously no one knows for with absolute certainty. But that is mere Sophistry, since any competent scientist can prove to you that we donít with absolute certainty whether the world will end tomorrow.
What we do know is that after the battle of Okinawa, Japan did not surrender (despite loosing 100,000 soldiers and 100,000 civilians in the battle). The general consensus then and now, is that Japan would not have surrendered until a full scale invasion of Japan had been taken place and many more people would have died from such an invasion (on both sides) than Japan lost during the 2 nuclear bomb attacks.
The clinching argument in my mind that demonstrates that this is a reasonable assessment is that even after seeing Hiroshima, Japan refused to surrender.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:04 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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kjayson7
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ah i don't know, i can't quit this topic. That is correct, Japan did not surrender easily...but use of atomic bomb...probably the USA wanted to end the war quick and also probably wanted to test on people...probably...also someone mentioned here they wanted to reduce the immense budget going in to producing weapons etc...however it is very sad and i feel ashamed to hear all this...but i don't know i keep coming back to this topic
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:49 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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Mr Alan
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"also probably wanted to test [the atomic bomb] on people...probably...also someone mentioned here they wanted to reduce the immense budget going in to producing weapons etc..."
No, neither of these claims have any credibility whatsoever. Have you no shame?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:04 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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Minder
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As demonstrated in previous posts my interest in Thailand and the Second World War stems mostly from my interest in the Thailand-Burma Railway and the stories of the POWs.
For those of you with similar interests I recommend the following websites and if possible a visit to the actual locations
http://www.bangkokpost.net/horizons/140601_Horizons03.html Ý
(Hell Fire Pass)
http://www.tbrconline.com/vi.asp Ý
(The Thailand-Burma Railway Centre)
I'd also recommend a recent film called "To End All Wars" which was in part filmed in Thailand and contains actual footage of "the Bridge" and of the lesser known but infinitely more moving "Hellfire Pass"
http://www.crosswalk.com/fun/movies/1187422.html Ý
(Movie To End All Wars)
Lest We Forget.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:44 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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kjayson7
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ah i said probably...sorry i did not say this "i was just guessing"...
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:28 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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FIB
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 3:41 am on Sep. 5, 2003
France was virtually alone (to the best of my knowledge) in its defiance of international agreements to stop nuclear testing in the atmosphere.
Oops... Wrong again...
The tests ordered by Chirac in 1995 were all underground and didn't violate the Partial Test Ban Treaty, which bans atmospheric testing since 1963, of which anyway, France was not a signatory (nor was China or Israel).
Or are you talking about the atmospheric testing that France regretably conducted until 1975 ? China did so unitl 1980. But they couldn't violate an international agreement of which they were not part... BTW, guess who was prime minister when the atmospheric tests were stopped ? That's it, Chirac...
France has since signed the Complete Test Ban Treaty in 1996, and ratified it in 1998. It has stopped its nuclear testing since 1996.
France has also signed in 1996 the 3rd protocol of the Treaty of Rarotonga, which effectively bans testing in the South Pacific (France had its status as a dialogue partner under the treaty or Rarotonga suspended while it tested in 1995-96).
It is worth noting that US, China, India, Pakistan and Israel, among other nuclear power have still not ratified the CTBT (or not even signed it in some cases), keeping open the option to resume testing at any time.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:08 pm on Sep. 4, 2003
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