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Smegma
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Bkkfella, this is what we are discussing in this thread:
http://www.bidet.com/bidet.htm
By the way, some interesting comments in the site of that link you provided. This seems ironic "It is truly amazing that although American plumbing manufacturers produce more Bidets than manufacturers in any other country, these same Bidets are exported away from the very people who believe that they lead the world in personal cleanliness and hygiene habits."
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Posted on: 12:39 am on Feb. 20, 2005
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expatchuck
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Quote: from silentbob1234 on 8:52 am on Feb. 20, 2005
Yes...what is shown at the website is a bidet. What this thread is on, is that garden hose-like contraption next to the toilet, known as the hose by the toilet (HOBYT- that's pronounced "ho-bite")
Bobby's got it right. A bidet is one of those fancy contraptions that I always thought was a foot wash. Looks like a commode but has this little nozzle thing that sometimes doesn't do too good a job. You need the old fashioned fire hose to really do the job.
This uplifting thread has always been about the Ho-bite.
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Posted on: 12:48 am on Feb. 20, 2005
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TJ
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Quote: from Smegma on 12:33 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
Bkkfella, this is what we are discussing in this thread:
http://www.bidet.com/bidet.htm
By the way, some interesting comments in the site of that link you provided. This seems ironic "It is truly amazing that although American plumbing manufacturers produce more Bidets than manufacturers in any other country, these same Bidets are exported away from the very people who believe that they lead the world in personal cleanliness and hygiene habits."
I'm an American; I'll respond.
Regarding cleanliness, I've never thought of the sprayer hose as a clean object.
What I see is something that sits under one's asshole, likely catching bits and splashes of all the various detritus being hosed out, as it rains down in a torrent of filthy water. This is then placed back for the next user.
What does the next user get sprayed into their ass? Someone else's shit, presumably. Or one's own, now fermented into a froth of primordial life.
I'll grant you, proper use probably prevents this in large part - angle the spray so that it doesn't cascade back onto the nozzle. But the concept simply appalls me. And mistakes are inevitably made. This is exponentially worse in the case of a public toilet, as one is virtually guaranteed that someone's done something nasty with it. As with intentionally pissing on the toilet seat, some (many) people are idiots and buffoons.
The beauty of the paper is that it's disposable. Used exactly once. I don't have to worry about someone else's filth on that paper, it's clean. Add to this the paper toilet seat cover, and one has an ingenious method of non-propagation of germs.
And frankly, I've found that the nozzle didn't get my ass as clean as paper. But perhaps it was simply lack of experience. 
As far as a bidet, that's outright foolish. The hose at least provides directional control. What does one do with a bidet? Move one's ass around to get it clean? Good exercise, I suppose. Of course, by that point, one's already stood up from the toilet and had their buttocks close into a big brown rorschach test. See above distaste for lack of cleanliness in regards to my opinion on this matter.
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Posted on: 5:04 am on Feb. 20, 2005
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TJ
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Quote: from Smegma on 3:15 am on April 24, 2003
Jimmy, your post reminded of this story that I read sometime ago:
... (full text of Smegma's story is here)...
In re-reading this thread, I just had to bring this one back up to the top. I laughed myself silly reading it the first time, and did so again just now.
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Posted on: 5:42 am on Feb. 20, 2005
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Smegma
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Quote: from TJ on 4:58 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
I'm an American; I'll respond.
Regarding cleanliness, I've never thought of the sprayer hose as a clean object.
TJ, in case you didn't notice you were responding to a comment related to bidets. Not to the sprayer hose. Nevertheless your comments are very valid. However, the argument that you use to criticize the hose "What I see is something that sits under one's asshole, likely catching bits and splashes of all the various detritus being hosed out, as it rains down in a torrent of filthy water. This is then placed back for the next user." can be countered by what you yourself say when criticizing the bidet: "The hose at least provides directional control."
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Posted on: 6:47 am on Feb. 20, 2005
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TJ
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Quote: from Smegma on 6:41 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
TJ, in case you didn't notice you were responding to a comment related to bidets. Not to the sprayer hose. Nevertheless your comments are very valid. However, the argument that you use to criticize the hose "What I see is something that sits under one's asshole, likely catching bits and splashes of all the various detritus being hosed out, as it rains down in a torrent of filthy water. This is then placed back for the next user." can be countered by what you yourself say when criticizing the bidet: "The hose at least provides directional control."
Oh, I noticed. The thread was about the hose, the quoted post about bidets, but also about cleanliness.
You quote me indirectly countering my statement about the torrent of filth; I directly countered it in my statement about how one could probably solve the problem by correctly using the sprayer.
However, my point (s) remains, and that is this:
-Without knowing how to properly use it, the device seems very unclean. Americans (by and large) don't use the bidet, and they don't use the sprayer. And part of the reason for that, in my opinion, is the percieved uncleanliness of the act; the mess, if you will.
-When one knows how to use it, it still seems unclean, even in the best of circumstances. At the very least when the sprayer is used in public facilities. Ever drop it in the bowl? Ever bring the nozzle too close to the item being washed? Ever not position it at sufficient angle to avoid backwash?
If all your encounters with the sprayer occur without complications, and the sprayer is used exclusively by you, then there's no issue with cleanliness. I prefer to assume that complications will occur, and know that I'm not the only one that uses the commode in my abode.
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Posted on: 7:10 am on Feb. 20, 2005
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yodsaker
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TJ, a proper bidet has a directional nozzle.
Hot and cold controls too, so users are neither traumatized nor scalded, provided they are reasonably sober.
BTW, you sit on the bidet facing the wall so you can aim the nozzle accurately.
I've used one for many years and it is far superior to smearing shite around your arse with paper leaving willnots, not to mention the unique thrill when your finger pierces the paper.
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Posted on: 2:24 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
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Quote: from TJ on 7:04 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
Without knowing how to properly use it, the device seems very unclean. Americans (by and large) don't use the bidet, and they don't use the sprayer. And part of the reason for that, in my opinion, is the percieved uncleanliness of the act; the mess, if you will.
-When one knows how to use it, it still seems unclean, even in the best of circumstances. At the very least when the sprayer is used in public facilities. Ever drop it in the bowl? Ever bring the nozzle too close to the item being washed? Ever not position it at sufficient angle to avoid backwash?
If all your encounters with the sprayer occur without complications, and the sprayer is used exclusively by you, then there's no issue with cleanliness. I prefer to assume that complications will occur, and know that I'm not the only one that uses the commode in my abode.
I don't disagree with you regarding the public use of these, and I do agree with the concept of the disposable nature of the toilet paper appearing like a cleaner solution (by the way, the paper toilet cover has almost zilch effect on cleanliness).
Nevertheless, one of the points made had do do with bidets (or water hoses) in your own proper dwelling - where most of your 'concerns' really wouldn't apply, or rather, should not apply. After all, if you have one, you'd think you would know how to use it properly after a while - and if you're not the only one using the commode in your abode... that's what the handy paper is for, as I'd assume anyone not familiar with the 'the hose' would not use it.
The same would also apply to bidet/hose in your hotel room, wouldn't you think?
Regarding cleanliness - properly using the hose (i.e. not pointing it at your ass from directly underneath) takes some practice, but once mastered, you end up with a far cleaner experience than with paper. Personally I prefer a bidet (because you can adjust the temperature, and warm water is far better), but in LOS, I have yet to experience REALLY cold water.
The key is not to go full throttle, and to not aim backwards (up your back, or onto the commode/wall), or onto your balls... I guess the best suggestion would be to practice 'dry', until you figured it out. Once you have got the knack, you will realize that your ass ends up being sparkly clean, versus wiping.
Last, but not least, bear in mind that the 'water wash' cleaning appears like a far more hygienic solution, particularly in tropical countries - after all, you really don't want to leave the smallest piece of fecal matter clinging to, only to shove it back into your underwear, and ferment and steam it while sweating all day long -- bacteria LOVE warmth and humidity!
Dr. von Quack!
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Posted on: 3:42 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
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Since I've already fessed up to installing a hose in my own American domicile, I suppose I can toss an olive branch to TJ in this regard: if you have access to toilet paper, a couple of quick swipes with a square or two removes the lion's share of the mess. Follow that up with a well-tuned squirt from the hose and some soap suds, and you're clean as a whistle. At my apartment in LOS, I occassionally use this technique, as opposed to the "purist method" espoused by my TGF: she only uses TP to dry her cute little behind after the show is over; she's always giving me shit for using up all the toilet paper for the wrong thing (i.e., wiping my ass). Yeah, the public places may not be so clean, but I've seen a lot of nasty toilets in the U.S. too (one that drove me out of the horngnam in a Macy's recently).
BTW, my concern with toilet paper is two-fold (er, two-ply) :
1) It's like the old math problem, halving the interval, as much as you try, you never get to zero, and in a hot, humid climate, that means bacteria and smell;
2) I went to college in a part of the U.S. where they manufacture paper products. It always smelled bad from the stacks, the plants always emitted dioxin and other noxious chemicals into the environment, and the destruction of the nearby forest ecosystems so that I could wipe my ass and read a newspaper (which are done by the tons per day in most countries) always bugged me. Figured there had to be a better way, and I found it the hose, lol!
- Balls
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Posted on: 3:47 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
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yodsaker
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Guys, here we are on a pussy forum and we're talkin' asswipes...how farkin' weird is that?
But fun!
Cheers and may the Klingons never linger!
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Posted on: 8:39 pm on Feb. 20, 2005
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