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Hermanolobo
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A sad programme for those interested in Thailand. Sad by the way human beings are treated and sad because this is Thailand's 'Stone Age' mentality. Execution and 50 year jail terms that are supposed to be a deterrent but in the end nothing is deterred about the use,abuse and the running of drugs. There was one Thai man who spoke very well and said he prayed for just one more chance in life but he did not know when he would be executed by lethal injection. He would get two hours notice - he was frightened of dying. Why did he deal in drugs ? He had no money he had a family to feed.
The young English boy who got many years was caught at the airport with loads of 'Ecstacy' you may have read abou it recently in the papers. Andrew who got 50 years admitted being stupid.
May the Punishment fit the Crime?
Drugs is a major problem in Thailand. My Lawyer says THE major problem. Do these draconian sentences stop the drugs trade ? It appears not.
The prison is obviously underfunded as it has so few staff. The prison hospital is full of patients with HIV/Aids and Tuberculosis - there are no money donations to the hospital as it is believed the inmates deserve to be there. From the interviews it would appear that the Thai legal service has pu some innocent people away. The Prison Governor spoke of the many Nigerians there and how they ran drugs.
There are with out doubt some hardened criminals in Bangkwang but also many victims of poverty.
Not until the ROOT CAUSE of the problem is addressed.i.e. The 'Drug Barons', the supply routes and the 'Major Players' will the problem even begin to be addressed. Unfortunately the words 'Power & Influence' come in to play with the major players.
It is a problem that will not go away however many alleged 'drug dealers' are shot on sight.
Link:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/3899549.stm
I hope the BBC2 TV does a follow up in depth report on the programme?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:39 am on July 23, 2004
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cheapcharlie
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Drug lords only take over where goverments do not.
This is text book economics supply and demand, it would be impossible to stop because someone is always reasy to step in their place.
Only by legislation and education can the situation be improved not by barbarically deciding what others do or choose to put in there bodies
Complete prohibition is only accepted in Saudi because
they do not know any better, but once people have access to information they may think different, that is what they (governments ) are scared of.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 4:32 am on July 23, 2004
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cheapcharlie
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However With Hebs ( Highly eveloped beings ), they would have the freedom to do what they choose but would never dream of doing anything to harm the body or spirit. Thus would not need to use any substances legal or illegal (a funny term which just shows the fashion of the time we are in ) not something I really have respect for, but looking at such documentaries they are trying to knock respect into you
but the sad fact is it is bullsh_t, just most of the sheep
don;t know that, and (they ) want to keep it that way.
This is of course far away from the teaching of god or buddah, these things are there for a reason
we have the choice to do what we want we are told that God loves us whatever we do, only goverments and clergy twist things around to there own benefit.
But they are not fooling me not for one second.
The only consulation those poor buggers have at the Bangkok Hilton is the afterlife.
It is a pity hell does not probably excist cause sure basterds who call themselves human beings who do such 'crimes " unto other beings (including governments ) surely belong there and hopefully they will. Being jabbed by red hot pokers until the end of eternity, just deserts.
In the words of Jesus
Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
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Posted on: 4:45 am on July 23, 2004
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hzink
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Seems like Thaksin's approach of a real anti-war drug was a tad better, even though it had to stop when the international do-gooders bojected to the horrible death toll.
Personally, I have no issue - dead drug traffickers do not take up space in prisons.
What's more ironic, though, on a more serious basis, is that everyone is trying to stop the flow of drugs, but no one is really trying to understand WHY people take drugs, and undermine and stop the basis for that motivation.
If no one WANTED drugs, drug barons would have no one to sell them to.
Harry
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Posted on: 3:31 pm on July 23, 2004
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cheapcharlie
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Quote: from hzink on 9:31 am on July 24, 2004
Seems like Thaksin's approach of a real anti-war drug was a tad better, even though it had to stop when the international do-gooders bojected to the horrible death toll.
Personally, I have no issue - dead drug traffickers do not take up space in prisons.
What's more ironic, though, on a more serious basis, is that everyone is trying to stop the flow of drugs, but no one is really trying to understand WHY people take drugs, and undermine and stop the basis for that motivation.
If no one WANTED drugs, drug barons would have no one to sell them to.
Exactly... but no one would make any money anymore.
that is why I say this has nothing to do with stopping the flow of drugs or the protection of innocent citizens.
Facts are probably 30 to 50 % of the population at east
use the drug Alcohol at least occasionally so this is pretty much accepted whatever statistic for drunk driving rape, robbery, domestic violence show.etc
where as other illicit drugs are used by a smaller % of the population which meansthe majority have a laze
fare attitude because they do not use and there goverments have told them this is so bad that they do not care when other citizens are locked away for years or excuted, they use alcohol which is ok because their
governments have said so.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:53 pm on July 23, 2004
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hzink
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Quote: from cheapcharlie on 8:53 am on July 24, 2004
this is so bad that they do not care when other citizens are locked away for years or excuted, they use alcohol which is ok because their
governments have said so.
And how about those who don't use alcohol, who don't use cigarettes, who don't use any other drugs, etc...?
Harry
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:44 am on July 24, 2004
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GATOR420
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Guys, guys...
We have been fighting this "drug war" for how long? I think this could perhaps be the longest running war in human history. Who is winning? Who is the enemy? How much have we lost and what have we gained?
The fact of the matter is that people do drugs for many of the same reasons that people drink, smoke, have sex, etc... For pleasure.
If there was a war on on drinking, smoking, sex, ect. and those caught engaging in those activites were extra-judicially killed or given sentences 25 years to life would you still feel the war is just?
As far the education theory goes, how are you going to educate people to not want things that pleasure them?
There are only 3 drugs in the world that can kill you if you *stop* taking them. Heroin (and derivitives), Cocaine (and derivitives), and alcohol. That's correct. Alcohol. Of course we all know the obvious effects of taking to much of each of those drugs. I don't expect that too many people will give me a hard time on the first two, but the third, if you don't believe me, see the quote below.
"Physical addiction to alcohol occurs in consistently heavy drinkers. Since their bodies have adapted to the presence of alcohol, they suffer alcohol Withdrawal if they suddenly stop drinking. Alcohol Withdrawal symptoms range from jumpiness, sleeplessness, sweating, and poor appetite, to tremors (the "shakes"), convulsions, hallucinations, and sometimes death."
http://www.addictionwithdrawal.com/alcohol.htm
The very best you can do is educate people on the risks of taking these drugs. That's it. You aren't going to stop people from taking drugs any quicker than you are going to get them to stop drinking, smoking, or jumping off bridges/buildings/ (structure of your choice) for that matter.
In my opinion this is just the process of natural selection and by imposing these criminal laws we as humans are interfering with that process.
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Posted on: 4:13 am on July 24, 2004
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hzink
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Quote: from GATOR420 on 4:13 pm on July 24, 2004
"Physical addiction to alcohol occurs in consistently heavy drinkers. Since their bodies have adapted to the presence of alcohol, they suffer alcohol Withdrawal if they suddenly stop drinking. Alcohol Withdrawal symptoms range from jumpiness, sleeplessness, sweating, and poor appetite, to tremors (the "shakes"), convulsions, hallucinations, and sometimes death."
MeThinks there's alot of people who have gone that ropute, if not beyond it, on this forum - might be a good wake-up call for some to realize.
Quote: from GATOR420 on 4:13 pm on July 24, 2004
The very best you can do is educate people on the risks of taking these drugs. That's it. You aren't going to stop people from taking drugs any quicker than you are going to get them to stop drinking, smoking, or jumping off bridges/buildings/ (structure of your choice) for that matter.
Good point - I gave up trying to educate people about smoking years ago - now, I just watch them kill themselves with morbid fascination.
"Do you mind if I smoke?"
"Not at all, do you mind if I fart?"
Quote: from GATOR420 on 4:13 pm on July 24, 2004
In my opinion this is just the process of natural selection and by imposing these criminal laws we as humans are interfering with that process.
Well said - natural selection.
Harry
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:57 am on July 24, 2004
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CafeDelMar
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Good topic Hermanlobo. 
Also, good to see so many people side with individual freedom.
It saddens me when I look at the state of the governments in the world, which essentially are tyrants hidden under the guise of "peace", "for the sake of the children" and "morality".
It also sickens me when I see people who vote socialists into power. Think France and Germany.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:00 pm on July 24, 2004
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