| |
ThaidUp
|
Quote: from scobie on 11:31 am on Dec. 1, 2005
Quote: from ThaidUp on 10:14 am on Dec. 1, 2005
Quote: from scobie on 8:54 am on Dec. 1, 2005
But, hey, what do I care? DG can target the 20% snub-nosed daughters of isaan for long-term relationships.
Me? I'll limit myself to targeting the remaining 80%.
It nice to see that you did not leave your pretentious attitude in your home country, I am sure the TG's love it.
If it's pretentious to prefer to choose a long-term GF from amongst the 80% of Thai girls who haven't had been ruined and emotionally scarred by having several kilometres of farang cock stuck down their throat over the years, then guilty as charged.
Pretentious? Maybe. Depends on your definition. I prefer to think of it as lessening the chances of it succeeding.
But it comes down to the whole point of P4P. P4P girls are for f***ing and going. Other girls are for forming relationships with. Seems like a lot of punters have trouble with blurred boundaries.
No what is pretentious is your statement "Snub-nose daughters of Issan"
Maybe you feel that if you emulate the Thai elitist’s racism you will be accepted by them. Fat chance.
What is blurred is your percetion of Thai P4P and "Good Girls" Although the majority of the Go-go trade is the Issan girls, many of the girls working in the Thai customer places on MP row are your "Good Girls" from Bangkok's middle class so that they could buy their designer phones and clothes to keep up with the Hi-So’s.
Then you have another group of "Good girls" who are happy to take miles of cock up their ass and down their throat for free while coming home to the boyfriend/husband be it farang or Thai.
In fact, I know a few members of BTF who exclusively bang "Good Girls" for the price of a dinner or night out of hippest club provided only if they already have boyfriends, husbands, and/or sponsors so they can boot their asses out in the morning.
The only difference seems to be that the P4P girls are actually making a buck off of it.
What is blurred is the entire playing field in Thailand and it would be a wrong presumption that if you are with "good girls" that she is loyal to you.
This is where it is quite different here in Thailand versus most Western societies. Most "Good Girls" would not be taking any "gifts" for their sexual acts and this is not just present in 3rd world countries. Japan has a huge number of school girls from middle class families who are turning tricks for designer items.
The bottom line is that it comes down to the individual character of the girl and her background or region that she comes from has little to do with it.
Good relationships can be had in both P4P and Non-P4P and really there is no Non-P4P because we guys end up paying one way or the other, unless you want a kept man like the loser living off of a bar girl, a pimp by any other definition. I wonder what will happen when he reaches his sell by date? Probably another jumper off of the Pattaya balcony.
|
Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:05 am on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
issanking
|
quote from Thaid up
===========================================
Maybe you feel that if you emulate the Thai elitist’s racism you will be accepted by them. Fat chance.
===========================================
well said, this topic can be discussed to the end of time,
with no real answers,
all said if your happy with yourself and your girl then so be it.
why worry about what other people think or do,
|
Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 6:24 am on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
Bangkok Chang
|
Quote: from dirty guru on 5:39 am on Dec. 1, 2005
First you need to understand alot of Thai girls set off to Pattaya or Bangkok from the rural areas because of sheer love for their struggling families.
I have actually witnessed good byes at bus terminals of 18 year old religious girls.
These arent hard nose hookers on cocaine and lazy arsed and angry.
They arnt herion addicts as is often the case in the West.
They arent chasing $500 US a day hooking in vegas. (just simple farmers daughters)
These girls often start by earning 10,000 a month and sending half of it for younger sibblings and fragile parents.
None of the girls start out hard-nosed, but give them six months in the bar-scene with girls who are and either they wise up or they get out. It's a harsh environment these girls are entering where they find their own countryfolk are their worst enemies. Some lucky ones manage to latch onto a nice farang and get out early on.
I certainly agree that they will send home bht 5,000 when they are only making bt 10,000, but when they start making bht 30,000 or more the girls still only send back bht 5,000. That's when it becomes near impossible to get them away from the bar scene as they have to feed one or more habits they have acquired along the way. Gambling is probably the most common one.
It's heartbreaking seeing the bar scene destroying what were once decent human beings, albeit they were poor.
|
Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:37 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
invaderzim
|
if you get married to a BG your asking for trouble..... playing men is there job.... just read this site or stickman
heck its tricky enough marrying a Thai non BG.
|
Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:57 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
dirty guru
|
Stickman?
Gee you guys really are green...LOL
( sure this boy will flood you with horror stories, but thats not the whole story the guy is limited)
The destruction of once nice human beings?
The other 80% that scobie will procure for his rightous self.?
Your looking for trouble marrying a hooker. (there job is to play men) ?..........profound stuff guys!
Ok, so here are guys that audaciously stero-type base experience, into sweeping statements.
The trouble with refuting their agruements are that obvious factors glare at you when considerations are made. (IE THERE IS ALOT OF TRUTH IN THEIR COMMENTS, BUT ITS ALITTLE SIMPLISTICAL TO SAY THE LEAST) But lets try and be reasonable here, lest we all appear to be "holy arseholes on high looking down our noses"
Daffy tried to even say "'they are different"'
To who Daffy?
I have had to endure the ""good girl"' remarks with a mixture of amusement at the naievity, and plain arrogance that is a prerecquiste to such silly comment coming from Bangkok of all places.
Let me enlighten you alittle more "O WISE SAGES ON HIGH" (That look down on these girls)
It might interest you to consider "'many uni girls " In Bangkok (not included in those figures of 20%) have sex with sponsers, wealthier students /businessmen and/or moonlighting disco night scores.
Its widely known the consumer mentality and sex for money isnt restricted to so called poor Issaan whores, (that you refer to)
Ten of thousands come also from the Chang Mai Chang Rai side.
And locally as was pointed out (bangkok middle class families) Just because they are Up market Massage girls on 70,000 baht a month doesnt exonerate them from the professional tag.
Hooker.
But lets look at where the ones that retire go?
I lived north and met many.
So many I would play a game with my girlfriend (who lived in the same village all her life) at the markets.
We have woman 19-45 in this game we would play.
I would try and guess if they were ever "'working girls"
Look for signs.
Some I guessed correctly at their smile, or mannerisms, some I didnt get right. ( POINT IS THERE WERE MANY) Far from never beening able to get these girls away from the bar scence (as beening a correct statement)
They are simply all accutely aware of their "'limited"" Time to set up their future.
The ones I saw carried little sign of scars.
Sure to begin it can be overwhelming f***ing for money.
But its very overwhelming seeing a sibbling hungry, and broken Father in a hot field aged and desperate.
Scobie remarked about using the poor Tactics to justify my agruement, that somehowI was painting a convient picture. (TO Suit my agruement) But no I saw the real Thailand. ( its irrefutable its a very poor country)
Not even in the poorest areas (where I also stayed like Khon Kaen in (94)
No this was more Chamg Mai side of country, in small villages and towns.
Employment very limited.
Oppurtunites next to nothing, and poverty rife.
Its easy to say a girl that "opens her legs and accepts payment is someone bad.
This reaks of western "christian morals" The same that present leaders quoting god and Godness, while excuting people and waging wars.
Image if you saw sheer struggling parents and hardship?
What would you do?
As for damaging themselves, well look at most of these Ex hookers faces, they are selling fruit in Markets 15 years on smiling and living in a better than average home bought for 400,000 that they saved over 12 years.
Even the average Beer bar girl/go go is smiling.
Some enjoy the 3 or 4 f***s they even get a week.
Ofcourse the rewards more (along with chance to put a claw into the Farang)
Hell many cant believe its that easy.
Boom BOOM.
I met many many hookers and was exposed to honest thought and speech.
Sure many trick punters, and you wouldnt want to marry them (as they would fleece you blind)
Some had teddy bears at 23 and were sweet as.
the f***ing hadnt marked them, they just thought of it as a bumpy Baht bus ride for 10 minutes, where the driver pays you 1000 baht afterwards for the trouble.
Some arent faking and dig it.
You have to remember many f*** less than a western girl who goes out weekends or lives with a guy. (most dont f*** more than 6 times a week many half that and average Pattaya girl makes 10,000 or thereabout) #30,000 is a big earner usually go go girls (who get out quicker) Often a young hot go go girl
Sure you will encounter girls that have slashed themselves, scars show deep pain on their souls.
Often these stories are about lost love (thai) and have little to do with westerners.
We dont rape them at 17 on meekong whiskey, and slap them up.
Generally speaking (ask them ) we are much prefered.
Many just want hope.
A small business, a home.
The marriage thing would be really desired.
But sure they hear so much bullshit they do it too, eventaully its just one big f*** game.
Some take the chance and go on to make good wives.
I have had two bar girls as wifes, both were very loyal and loving.
I was the butterfly.
What you guys in Bangkok ought to know is your so called good girls (me no f*** money)
Are no different.
In the north Bank Tellers and alike hit on you being the only Farang in some small town.
This isnt because I am a handsome man, its because I just transfered 300,000 baht in a poor country.
All woman open legs up for gain.
Some less educated poor ones just have to do it to feed their familes and make a future.
Its pitifall that of all places (a pussy forum) guys have the audacity to actually judge one and all.
As I said there are diamonds in the rough.
Break it all down, any soul that kneels before buddha, loves mum and dad and sends money, is in my book deserved of a better estimation guys. PS
: : good to read some of you guys arent arseholes and have cool minds and hearts regards these girls and what they do.
DG
|
Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:20 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
scobie
|
Well, I defer to everyone's greater wisdom on this interesting topic, but will stick to one abiding principle:
If she's working in a bar, a gogo bar, a massage parlour, a kareoke bar or freelancing the streets of sukhumvit, patong or pattaya, then she is strictly out of bounds for a long-term relationship.
Jeez.. I don't wanna go somewhere where DG might have been before!
|
Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:38 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
Abrak
|
Back to Scobie and TU's little tiff.
One thing to remember is that any Thai girl who dates farang - p4p or otherwise - has, in many respects, already rejected many of the rigid social rules inherent in Thai society. Simply by going with a farang she is no longer considered a 'good girl' by Thai standards.
As such, the Thai girl with a farang BF has already thrown the rule book out of the window.
That said, the chances of having a successful and honest relationship with a non-bar girl or p4p must be infinitely better. Scobie is right to take the view that 'miles of farang cock' is likely to leave a girl 'emotionally scarred'.
If you are choosing to have a GFE in Thailand I see little or no upside from choosing a girl from the p4p arena.
|
Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:41 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
Ballsburstin
|
Abrak,
Agree with you in that a Thai girl who is going with a farang is definitely rejecting some basic rules in Thai society. And it isn't always the ones who are P4P or been burned by Thai boyfriends.
My TGF has a good friend (they've known each other since they were 3 years old) who is now 27 years old, is still a virgin (a rare commidity, lol), and is seriously thinking about trying to find a farang boyfriend/husband. She understands that she has slipped past the marriagable age in Thailand (or so she thinks), she sees the relationship my TGF has with me, and she is looking for something better than the motocy driver boyfriend arrangement. She is partly uni-educated (had to drop out after 2 years, no money) and one of the nicest ladies I've met (and if she weren't my TGF's buddy, damn I'd be after her, lol).
So not all Thai women going after farangs are P4P, and even some of the ones who were (like my TGF) are fairly easy to live with, after you get past the 1st year or so, which can be a tad bumpy.
- Balls
|
Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:51 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
Bangkok Chang
|
Reading DG's post anybody would think the bars are a soft option where the girls get some choice over what happens to them.
Sadly the girls often think this way too, before they slip on their first bikini, and quite often the parents have nothing to do with the girl's decision to work in a bar. They go there for money and a better life all of their own volition. That's partly why they only send bht 5,000 back each month, mum and dad would soon guess if they were sending back more. It's a game, mum and dad aren't usually that dumb but everyone plays along.
Sure they can choose which customer they go with, but the first time they refuse a barfine mamsan starts introducing other girls to her customers while she is dancing.
They soon discover what Hobson's choice is.
The nice girls look for a way out. The not so nice remain.
It isn't about stereotyping, it's about the same thing happening to every girl who works in a bar, and either they are willing to go along with it or they aren't.
No all Thai girls aren't the same, but the longer they have remained in the bar and tolerated the lifestyle, the more that tells you about the girl. I could name (but I won't) one Patpong go-go who has been in the game for eight years. I saw her on her first day in tha bar, aged 18. She is horrendous. There is nothing she wouldn't do for money and she has certainly lifted a good many wallets in that time. The bars have changed her, but then she is the type of person who is happy to go along with it. The "warm hearted" ones get out. She has had numerous offers, but the bar is what she understands. Any idea this girl has savings is laughable.
This brings me to another aspect of the bars. The more successful girls can make serious money. In December some are turning in Bht 50,000 or more. Some customers are handing over $ 100 notes short-time. Part of the mamasan's job is to relieve the girl of the money as fast as possible, and if anyone is ever going to introduce a BG to an illegal card session it will be the mamasan. Why? Simple economics, the girl will be back, sitting in the bar, broke as the day she started, the following night.
If a BG ever has a car, or a house, or a beauty salon, it is because some white knight farang actually bought them outright at some point to save the girl Otherwise "the system" works against the girls ever accumulating serious money.
There are girls who will want you to believe they saved the money for their bht 600,000 car. Yeah, right.
|
Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:34 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
LocalYokul
|
Quote: from Abrak on 9:19 am on Dec. 2, 2005
One thing to remember is that any Thai girl who dates farang - p4p or otherwise - has, in many respects, already rejected many of the rigid social rules inherent in Thai society. Simply by going with a farang she is no longer considered a 'good girl' by Thai standards.
As such, the Thai girl with a farang BF has already thrown the rule book out of the window.
that is confirmed every time we go to the market together. TGF said when I cum along with her it's like she's a freakin' movie star or something the way people stare at us
I just get sick of all the other guys around town talking about ALL Thai women as if they are BGs
granted, they almost all are married or have ongoing relationships with P4P chicks, doesn't mean that the women/woman I'm seeing was/is/or ever will be P4P
try telling these guys that though 
|
Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:16 pm on Dec. 1, 2005
|
|
| |
|
