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Well said Jedi's Mr. Joe and Pinga. Just what I've been trying to get across for some time now ( Aw Man! Don't let him get started on that whole "standard fee" subject again  ). No one has the right to set a price for HER services except HER. If you think HER price is too high then try the next one and yes there will always be a next one. Peace
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:34 am on Jan. 24, 2003
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Arcadius
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Re the right price, in many situations the 'going rate' is well-established and not at all difficult to find out. For example, ST for a Nana go-go BG is B1.5k, rising to B2k at RB2.
There's absolutely no obligation on either party to trade at the going rate. However, if you want to pay less, I would say the onus is on you to raise the issue before the BF (let alone the deed itself) - and if she wants more, the onus is on her. Otherwise, there's no real need to talk finances at all - just slip her the going rate at the end, plus whatever 'taxi money' you deem appropriate. Often she'll trust you to get this right without even checking (at least not in your presence).
If a BG started demanding more after the fact, I'd be pretty pissed off about it - and I think she'd know I had every right to be pissed off.
I'd never even consider paying up front. It's just not done like that in LOS, and everyone knows it. If a BG asked, I'd drop her like a hot brick.
P4P in LOS can be very civilised if you just treat people fairly. The basic rule in in any situation should be: don't be mean, don't be greedy. There's no need to go overboard.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:39 am on Jan. 24, 2003
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BoomARang
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Arcadius - "However, if you want to pay less, I would say the onus is on you to raise the issue before the BF (let alone the deed itself) - and if she wants more, the onus is on her."
Excellent point! That is assuming one knows the going rate, which is why this board, to me, is more a benefit to both sides than only just for the seekers of services.
Taking advantage of the "ignorant" newbie happens to some extent in virtually every business but most service providers prefer customers who know what is going on as there are less headaches and things are more predictable. Although slightly, if not totally off topic, I would be willing to bet that Marc breathes a sigh of relief everytime I learns that someone new to his business has been a member here. Any chance of a BTF discount Marc? ;)
About a woman asking for more than the going rate or those asking for it up-front, could those be classified as more "hard-core"?
Your final paragraph says it all! 
Ichi
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:33 am on Jan. 24, 2003
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Oaktoad
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I am sure that there are "fifty ways to pay your lover".
With the exception of massage parlors, I have never paid in advance.
If a girl asks how much I will give her, I often just move on to the next girl. If I do have a stronger attraction to her I will tell her a lower figure than I plan to give. If that is acceptable then I will go with her.
I am not a super big spender, but usually will give between B1000 and B1500 for ST. As I have a g/f, I almost never do LTs any more. So if a girl asks how much I will give her then I will tell her B1000 and perhaps if she is really good then give her more .. it depends.
I often do not even let the girl know how much I am giving her as I will fold the money and slip in her hand or put in her purse. Many of the girls seem to appreciate this more "subtle" way of paying them, but then again it may just be the girls that I know.
There is no question that giving more than you told them you would give helps if you go back to see the girl again. If you only do a girl one time, then none of this applies. If I find a girl that I like, I will often go back to see her again. Girls also seem to really appreciate this and the second time of often better than the first time... no real mystery here.. who does not like positive feedback from a customer ???
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:37 am on Jan. 24, 2003
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bound4bangkok
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Hello all
Let me try to explain what I mean as far has Who sets the standurds in rates. I agree its the seller that sets the rates for there product. In this case its there body. It is also the comsumer that levels the rates to a marginal level. If the seller is selling the product at a higher price then the consumer is willing to pay they must either
1 go out of business or
2 Lower there rates to a level where there product will sell.
If the consumer knows the marginal rate at which a product is sold then If offered that rate the seller should be happy with it. Yes there is better Quality in products and the rates ajust accordingly. You pay more for a BMW then a Ford Escort But the marginal price for both are set. I wanted to know how to handle a seller thats trying to rip off the costumer with outrageous price increase. If I go into a store to buy a TV and I know that a 32" TV is or should be around 400 dollars and when I Get my bill in the mail I was charged 800 dollars I call the store and say whats going on here. IF I was not a knowleadgable comsumer then I might not know that I got ripped off. Same with a BG, massage parlor or free lancers services.I know what the marginal rate is for each one of these services and I will pay accordingly(Thanks to all the guys on here that have educated me).I just wanted to know how to handle it If a girl is outrageously increaseing her price thinking I might not know what the going rate is and she can charge whatever she wants. Hope this clears a few things up for you Mr Joe
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:13 am on Jan. 24, 2003
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Chompoo
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It's already been said, but I will reaffirm that the seller absolutely does not have the choice to retroactively set the price. When setting a price before hand both the seller and buyer are equally entitled to set their own price ranges and if there is no overlap then the deal isn't made.
When no price is agreed upon the guy should pay whatever he honestly thinks is a fair price for what he received. It may be that the standard is 1500B, but if the girl was really exceptional she has every right to expect more. Hopefully she won't have to ask, but I wouldn't have a problem if she tried to explain why she was worth the extra money.
Of course, how firm the guy should be should depend on his knowledge and experience. A relative newbie shouldn't be so set on a fixed price as there may be a lot of factors he isn't aware of.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:45 pm on Jan. 24, 2003
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vertigo
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Girl gets paid at the end. Was she good and hot? You satisfied with the service? Then leave a good tip. My philosophy at least.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:58 pm on Jan. 24, 2003
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Arcadius
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"It may be that the standard is 1500B, but if the girl was really exceptional she has every right to expect more. Hopefully she won't have to ask..."
I have trouble with a BG deciding for herself that she's been 'really exceptional'. Perhaps she has been by her own (not usually exalted) standards, but not necessarily by the customer's. OK, sure, if she's been willing to provide out-of-the-ordinary sexual services - but that's a slightly different issue. If she thinks she's basically a B2k lay rather than a B1.5k lay, I still think the onus is on her to tell the customer this beforehand if she works at a B1.5k venue.
Of course, it may be the customer who decides that a BG has been really exceptional. In that case, he should certainly be willing to pay more - either by being very generous with the taxi money or unilaterally bumping up the basic fee.
Last thing I want is an embarrassing fuss about money at the end of an otherwise enjoyable encounter. If a BG inflicts this on me unnecessarily, I'm not going to be at all pleased with her. Still, in my experience, this very seldom happens.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:08 am on Jan. 25, 2003
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Chompoo
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I think most BGs are better qualified than most customers at determining whether they are truly exceptional. Many newbies are completely clueless as to how lucky they've been in getting a really beautiful and nasty girl; when they tip her the "average" amount it is insulting.
Now I didn't say that the girl can decide how much extra you need to pay her. But I have no problem if afterwards the girl says "You do realize that I was the hottest girl in the bar and you must admit that I completely drained the life out of you." If what she says is true then any guy should be happy to be saved the embarrassment of underpaying such a fine girl. If the guy doesn't agree and didn't really appreciate when she shoved her whole hand up his butt, then he doesn't have to give her anything else.
She has the right to expect a bigger tip from you, but she can't demand it.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:04 pm on Jan. 27, 2003
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Arcadius
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"She has the right to expect a bigger tip from you, but she can't demand it"
Yes, I think that's right, in which case we arrive at the same destination.
I certainly agree that customers should express their appreciation of, and be prepared to reward, exceptional service. This is in everyone's interest.
However, it might be useful to distinguish two categories of 'exceptional service'. The first might be where additional services, in objective terms, are offered or granted. My understanding is that the standard service these days covers conventional intercourse, plus (although these are not 'contractual obligations'): kissing, going down on her and a BJ. If any but the first were refused, the BG would be within her rights, but I think the customer would also be entitled to feel that the service was pretty basic. I would consider any additional activities such as fisting (by either party), more than one shot (for ST), anal, watersports or whatever as 'exceptional' and things for which the customer should certainly be prepared to pay a premium. And in this case, the BG would be entitled to demand such a premium.
All this is arguable, but what constitutes the 'standard service' is probably worth a thread to itself.
The second category is far more subjective. How well did she perform, how much did the customer enjoy himself? I'm not at all sure I'm prepared to let the BG be the best judge of this. In most cases, I've screwed far more BGs than she has, and I don't need her to tell me whether she's given me the time of my life. She may have put herself out more than usual, and therefore in her own mind have performed beyond the call of duty, but even so. I'm pretty sure I've had many BGs who thought they were better in bed than they actually were - I've certainly had quite a few who must have thought that their thrashing around and making a lot of noise was more exciting than I did.
Of course, it all cuts both ways. A customer might consider himself exceptionally jai dee and/or fun to be with. As with the BG, he might be right or he might be deluding himself, and in this case the BG must be the judge. In most cases, she's been chatted up by far more horny guys than he has. If he IS right, he's reasonably entitled to expect a reward, and most half-decent BGs will oblige - they will put themselves out for him more than they would for a scowling scumbag. He's certainly not entitled to demand a discount or (more realistically) 'special' services for free.
Re the actual payment, I find it convenient to distinguish between the 'fee' and the 'tip'. The first is always the going rate. Usually, I just stick this in her bag or otherwise treat it as a matter of no importance. In the case of ST, the second - the 'taxi money' - ranges from zero (very rare and only for disasters) to B500 (also quite rare). For a truly exceptional LT, I'll tip up to B1,000 beyond the going rate or, preferably, take her out to buy something nice. I always hand this to the BG, and if it's more than a token tip of B100 (ie, ridiculously excessive for a taxi fare), make it clear that I really enjoyed her company. Imho, this policy is reasonably generous without being silly - at any event, I've rarely come unstuck with it, and never with the genuinely good ones.
I've been trying to think of a hypothetical case where a 'dispute' might arise. I suppose if I thought a B1.5k venue BG was very good, but not exceptional, I'd probably pay her B1.5k + B300 tip. If she thought she was a B2k girl, she might then want another B200. My own attitude to this would be that I'm paying her for an enjoyable experience and not just a bonk. If she's prepared to sour that experience over B200, when by any standard she's being paid a reasonable amount, then her service is certainly not exceptional no matter how hot she thinks she is. Like Mr Joe, I'd probably stump up (who wants to fight over B200?), but with a bad grace and not BF her again. Nor would I have any compunction about butterflying from her bar. After all, why should Supergirl give a toss anyway?
Clueless newbies? Well, in that case, any half-competent BG will know what she's got on her hands at the outset, and to be fair to the guy should make her ground-rules clear if they're in any way out of the ordinary. After all, this cuts both ways too. Unscruplulous BGs are far more likely to take advantage of this type of customer than any other.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:16 am on Jan. 28, 2003
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