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LocalYokul
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during the public holiday I was in Chiang Mai and went into a book store at The Mall
was looking for a book on Northern Dialect, which I later found out (to my suspicions) that they don't write it down, it's passed on by word of mouth alone
in there amongst the language books was Thailand Fever, so I bought it. Thought it was a bit much at 495b for a paperback with 258 pages, which really means 129 pages since each English page is repeated in Thai
at first I thought it was a great read, and thought I might learn something and my TGF might as well, upon my return
finished reading it last night, and even read some of the pages in Thai, to see if they were contradictory of the English or not
the book is completely biased toward the Thai female
it keeps saying that you may need to compromise, but it's total bullshit as they never get around to how you can nor do they explain that the TG should sometimes try to understand the Falahng culure more
it's basically telling you over and over again to open your wallet to your TGF because you are expected to support her and her entire family
I really don't see any points where the TG is expected to understand, it's only pointing out to the Falahng that he must pay
there's even a section on why TGs are NOT all prostitutes even though you are expected to pay to have sex with them, LOL
since this is a common question in a guy's mind, "why don't I just go P4P ?, since I'm paying already, might as well get what I want, and throw some variety in"
the latter half of the book pretty much sickens me, and I doubt that I'll ever let my GF get her hands on it, as it would only give her more ammo to tell me that I must support her in every way, financially
I think the guy white guy who helped right the English half of the book had his nuts in a vice or maybe he's just a f***ing panzy
I now understand why so many young Thai men don't have girlfriends if they are expected to cough up cash nearly every time their GF comes over to f*** them
and also understand why plenty of Thai couples are living together w/o their parent's consent, cause the guy can't afford to support her whole damn family
this is what the Thai men have let the society develop into, a place where they pretend to control the fems with money, when actually their nuts are in the TGs clutch from the beginning
the 1st half of the book was great, but the second half is really all about money and how the Falahng should just open his wallet and the cash should just come pouring out
the thing is, the Thai version isn't any better, you'd think that it would explain that sometimes mr. Falahng doesn't have enough damn money to support such finances, but no, it just explains how the Falahng needs to understand, LOL
one eye-opener for me, that's further highlighted in this book is that the majority of TGs (and I mean about 99.9%) expect a financial gain for having sex with you, whether it just be dinner, and a movie, or as you get more serious, to perhaps support her expensive perfume habit, etc.
so what is the difference between a regular TG and a whore, almost nothing, but the book tries to explain it away saying that her family will come to your aid in ways you can't imagine
well, I didn't see any explanations of that in the book, and maybe they are unimaginable because she'll ditch you when you have no more money
oh, it also said that a regular TG is NOT like a BG because her family WILL support you when you are down
keep on praying that it's true those of you out there who are pouring your paycheck into that bottomless pit called TG and her extended family
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:51 pm on Dec. 13, 2005
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ThaidUp
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Well LY it seems you are a bit bitter. Like in all things there needs to be some balance I think and budgets my TGF gets a fixed allowance and for the past 9 months has not mentioned a peep about anything else, no "You buy me this" or emergencies. Maybe I have a rare one here and time will tell if this will change, but so far so good.
But to your comment:
"one eye-opener for me, that's further highlighted in this book is that the majority of TGs (and I mean about 99.9%) expect a financial gain for having sex with you, whether it just be dinner, and a movie, or as you get more serious, to perhaps support her expensive perfume habit, etc."
I think you can take TG out of the above and replace it with woman.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:11 am on Dec. 14, 2005
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LocalYokul
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well, there you go, there's no balance in the book, it's all leaning on the Falahng to GIVE, until it hurts, in the hopes that some day the family will pay him back, not in cash, but in good will
as in NOT kicking his arse out like so many BGs do when their current customer is out of cash
well, I've not known any stories where there was a TG who (or her family) didn't kick them out on the street when he was down
surely there are such stories, I hope some of you can tell us a few
I can understand the TGs who are getting paid low etc. and can't afford luxuries
but what about these TGs who have their own house, car, career, but still expect the man to pay for ALL ?
I've known Western women who weren't that selfish
it's ingrained into the society these days, and the Thai men put up with it, hence so shall we, but it's still a major depressant to any relationship
basically, where and when is the line crossed ?, when he (the Falahng) really is out of money ?
I just think the book is really biased, and doesn't really show the TG anything except what she already expected is now confirmed in writing, that mr. Falahg give Give GIVE
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:04 am on Dec. 14, 2005
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Ever Ready
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LocalYokul
I also read the book cover to cover, and agree with your opinion of its bias against the farang. I wasn't too sure what to make of it at the time, but reading your summary, I tend to agree pretty much with what you say. 1st half not bad... 2nd half – scary stuff..!!!
My T g/F brought the book to me here in sunny Dubai. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) we're not together anymore...!
I still think for serious long-term relationships (if that's what you want in life), filipinas are probably a better bet. Less complicated culture, most speak good English, all (in my experience) shag like rabbits, and of course PI has some great scuba diving - better than many places I’ve been to in Thailand… (again IMHO / YMMV)..
Oh yes, and Dubai has 1000's of flippers living here..!
Just my 2 dirhams worth
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:30 am on Dec. 14, 2005
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Mel Gibson
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Filipina's,, Couldn't think of anything more discusting ( IMHO),, big slack pussies and an overly accentuated Amerrrrrrrrrican rrrrrrrrrrrrraksent. Been there 3 times and hated the place, but did FINALLY meet one nice one Half filipina half Chinese.
Anyway I still put my money with the Vietnamese as the obvious option if the Thai gals go bad.
Smiles and as always 'Each to their own"
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:33 am on Dec. 14, 2005
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DaffyDuck
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You guys are WAY too hung up and embittered over financials - this isn't to say that us falang should be 'milked until dry', but all LY really is complaining about is that the girls expect money, and that's pissing him off.
Otherwise, his main points of contention (that TGs are looking for money), are no different than any western woman, except that the western woman hides her intentions under different layers of cultural customs.
Likewise, the argument can be turned around, and a TG could argue that all LY ever wants is to have sex with her, all the time - just as he argues that all she ever wants is money. I'm sure neither stereotypes are true 100% of the time.
Likewise, it is very typical that you guys entirely concentrate on only the financial aspects of 'Thailand Fever' (a point the book explains quite well as to the 'why'), completely ignoring the cultural element (which LY kinda touches upon in his last post, but absolutely ignores that western men have done a LOT MORE to cultivate the attitude that the woman is on a pedestal, than Thai men ever have. Western men, through the centuries, have trained western women to believe that they are special, that men should be lucky to have them, and that 'love' is worh sacrificing everything. Oh yeah, our way is soooo much better.
As I have said in the past - I find the up-front nature, and far greater honesty from Thai women far more refreshing, when it comes to that aspect - and as I pointed out in chat (and as others have pointed out as well), it's not all about money (I believe quite a few members posted that they get no requests for $$$ from their girls) - the book explains quite well that demonstrations of 'love' and affection are what matter -- and the book also goes into quite a bit of length to explain the falang concepts of money (and why falang do not like to equate money with love) for the TG side, again, an issue its detractors appear to gloss over.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:14 am on Dec. 14, 2005
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China Sailor
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It is no surprise to me. The dating site MATCH.COM has turn-ons and turn-offs as part of the individual’s profile.
If you do a search of women living in Thailand you will see that about 50% list money and/or power as turn-ons. If you do a search in any western country the percentage drops to about 10%.
This leads to one of two conclusions about Thai women, either:
They are money hungry sluts that want an ATM instead of a husband...
- OR -
They are more truthful than western women in spelling out their desires for wealth.
That being said, wasn't in Marilyn Monroe who sang 'Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend'...
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:12 am on Dec. 14, 2005
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DaffyDuck
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"Diamonds are a girls best friend..."
Yeah, in the west, it's treated as a running joke (with much truth underlying it) - like I said, I find Thai (asian) women refreshingly truthful in that regard.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:17 am on Dec. 14, 2005
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LocalYokul
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 7:52 pm on Dec. 14, 2005
very typical that you guys entirely concentrate on only the financial aspects
well, when reading the English version in chapter 5, Money and Support, it's shoved down your throat
the book explains quite well that demonstrations of 'love' and affection are what matter -- and the book also goes into quite a bit of length to explain the falang concepts of money (and why falang do not like to equate money with love) for the TG side, again, an issue its detractors appear to gloss over.
I read the sections in Thai again last night where the female author is addressing the Thai female and she does try to explain that mr. ATM isn't as keeneeyoe, jai kaap, or rai nahm jai as she thinks because of his upbringing
but the tone used in the English version just rubbed me the wrong way, did not like it at all, and I think the male author needs to grow some balls
I will let my TGF read the book this weekend. I'm sure she agrees with most of it, but we also both understand that our relationship has gone on quite well so far w/o conforming to the standards outlined in this book
she's put herself through college, no a man didn't, and has worked with expats for over a decade, so she's not your standard TG, and NO she's NOT from Eesahn either, LOL
maybe we can each learn something from it, but we are certainly not going to use it as a road map, as the authors suggest
add : the book also covered that the TG should outline where her expenses (and family's) are and how much (estimate) so mr. ATM can budget for it, which is pretty much what TU has going, sounds like
add again : what my TGF and I have is pretty different, and I should just count my lucky stars that she's not f***ed off long before now, LOL
but that book really harshed my mellow man, big time
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:28 pm on Dec. 14, 2005
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