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CiaoCiao
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Quote: from Whisper on 1:32 pm on Feb. 12, 2004
The reason most Thai people (including wives and girlfriends) don't understand English is because their farang partners are quite happy to speak pidgin to them!
Absolutely, positively, wrong!
The reason most people speak pidgin forms of ANY language is NOT because of micking others but because the pidgin form is based simply on THEIR placement of foreign vocabulary into a word order that best approximates the word order and grammatical structure of their own language.
Try to pick up any foreign language on your own (without extensive schooling in the grammatical fine points, and especially without the benefit of any prior advanced schooling), and you kind sir would also necessarily speak - a pidgin version of that language.
I wasn't planning to chime in here until you ignored the good good advice of brothers here, i.e.: insistence on grammatically correct language usage, outside school/business/legal needs, adds to confusion, not to discourse.
The most important thing, outside business/legal documents, is not crossing all the "t"s and dotting all the "i"s, but simply: do you communicate understanding.
This Forum is an outstanding example of that concept in action.
DG and Ronaldo notwithstanding. 
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:17 am on Feb. 12, 2004
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Whisper
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Seems like we agree to disagree on this one.
I fully accept and understand why Thai people choose to speak Thai but surely the only way to prevent its continuance is to instruct them on how to speak English correctly, is it not?
I still contend that speaking pidgin to Thai people exacerbates the problem and does nothing to rectifiy it.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 5:26 am on Feb. 12, 2004
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Abrak
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More to the point Whisper.... I think it also seems pretty insulting to the Thai....
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:48 am on Feb. 12, 2004
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NaughtiusMaximus
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Insulting my fcuking arse, everyone is trying to learn a new language, unfortunatley we do not learn a new language over night, hey RTB. Some of us take years, others several months, me for example I have been mastering the thai language for 6 yeras now, and english for 40, RTB has been yodeling for nearly as long as me. We dont all have the patience to teach, good on the english teachers, nor do we have the time to stand at a street vendor and ask for 'could you please give me a bowl of noodle soup with chicken and all your lovely vegetables you have there' or 'lets go home to my hotel tonight together after we have a few drinks at my favourite strip club, then I will be in the mood and my boner should be well and truly ready to service your tiny little pussy'.
Seems we have another goody two shoes convert, wheres the christians and the mormans when you need one. 
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 7:56 am on Feb. 12, 2004
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CiaoCiao
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(Anyone who has been on a car trip with a female who invariably has to 'potty' the moment you're past city limits and beyond facilities, can appreciate the following) :
If my companion were a native English speaker I might caution before a trip: "Honey, I should mention that since we'll be driving late at night, there probably won't be many rest room facilities open in the little towns once we get out of the city, and I can't guarantee that the ones we run into will be very clean, so I'd suggest we use the facilities here at the hotel if we need to before we take off - and, by the way, be sure to take some tissues with you."
Now, if I said the same to a typical TG companion in order to avoid your 'insulting'/'talking down' to her, I have no doubt that if she waits until she decodes what all I just said to her, she would have pissed in her pants long before.
So instead, I probably would have said to her, if this were her comprehension level: "Honey, we go long drive, maybe not much toilet, so we go toilet at Hotel before leave." And I might even accent that with hand signals if I think they're needed.
If you call that insulting or talking down that's your bad. I call it communicating.
Now, in the quiet of the drive, I would be most happy to help raise her English level towards your good standards - a more appropriate time to do so.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:50 am on Feb. 12, 2004
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NaughtiusMaximus
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personally I would just stand there with my hand immitating holding my dick and hosing down the bathroom and say 'you go now' even simpler, dont get carried away with more than what you actually need to say
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:21 am on Feb. 12, 2004
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Ballsburstin
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CiaoCiao,
LOL, thinking about what those hand signals might look like ("And I might even accent that with hand signals" ).
I understand the point Whisper is trying to make, but I prefer to err on the side of communicating. For example, I have a guy and his crew painting my house right now. He's Mexican by birth, his English not bad, but to make sure we all get what we want, I mix Spanish, English, and pidgin. He does the same. It's funny as hell, we are both enjoying the banter, and more importantly, he is able to give me the job I want, and a job he can be proud of (he wants this as a reference for other houses in the 'hood).
When I correct my TGF's English, I am always very careful to do it in a positive way. I can see the look on her face when she tries her best and can see how hard it is for her. So I don't want to make her feel bad unintentionally. But I do want her to perfect some of the basic grammar rules and tenses, as it gives her a sense of pride to do so, and also allows her to present a more educated usage. I do find if I speak too much formal English, she gets flustered at some point and then blurts out, "oye teelakja, why you not speak pasa Thai?" followed by a string of Isaan invectives I'm probably better off not comprehending. That usually ends the English lesson for the next hour or so.
- Balls
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:25 pm on Feb. 12, 2004
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Whisper
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"Honey, we go long drive, maybe not much toilet, so we go toilet at Hotel before leave."
What's so hard about rephrasing that to "Honey, we are going on a long drive, maybe not many toilets so we should go to the toilet before we leave"?
Or is that too much to ask for?
Seems like some guys prefer to treat Thai people as complete idiots.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:55 pm on Feb. 12, 2004
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Kryptonite
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Some of them are 
My friggin' wife is an idiot. I can assure you that. Takes her an hour to make minute rice.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:03 pm on Feb. 12, 2004
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thaiprivateeye
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allowing you are in LOS - you dont often get the piss taken out of you by the locals when the farang effort at thai is abysimal, or in fact totally wrong - as it often is, -
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:29 pm on Feb. 12, 2004
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