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griffin
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i just paid thb 4,200 for an upstairs model in poseidon yesterday and it was for sure one of the sweetest and memorable experiences i had for a long time in a mp. well worth every baht of it as you won't be getting those quality girls anywhere else in thailand!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:38 am on Dec. 28, 2002
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The Machine
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I am happy with what i get and i never pay what i consider ridiculous money for Thailand even if i can well afford it, which i can.
Just because a girl may be better looking doesn't mean you get a better jump.The most i ever pay is at an MP like CP2 where i have had great service with very attractive women for I think about 1700.I will leave the 3,4 and 5 grand jobs to those who want to pay that much.There are women who probably charge 20,000 baht a night if you are willing to pay for it.I am sure you are going to convince yourself that it is worth it specially when you fork out that much.
The point is that there is not need to spend that much to have a good time!!!
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 6:06 am on Dec. 28, 2002
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BigDUSA
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Quote: from ABC on 2:32 am on Dec. 29, 2002
BigDUSA:
Why is it that you get to decide what is fair market value?? 500 s/t because they only make 5000 a month. Just be honest and say that you are cheap and only want to get laid and don't care about the females. Trying to say that you take them out for dinner and all is just sugar coating the issue. If you asked the females, I am sure that they'd rather you just pay them more money and dispense with the dinners and movies.
ABC,
This is the first time, I've ever put this in a post. Most of the guys on this forum just don't get it.
The first time I take a girl, I deceide what's fair. The GIRL DECEIDES WHAT"S FAIR, the second time I want to b/f her. If the girls were not happy with what I paid them, why do they come up to me and whisper in my ear, Denny I had a good time with you last night, will you b/f me again? As I mentioned before, I come to LOS a few times a year. The girls remenber me and boy are they glad to see me. One go go dancers face lite's up, Denny,she hollered and damm near jumped off the stage into my arms.
When I take a girl on a "date", I treat them like a women, not a piece of meat. I won't be able to do this on my January trip because I have my daughter with me. Next April I will ask the new girls I meet after the first "date" Would you rather have the extra cash or the "date"? I'll report back on what response I get. From the responses I've gotton from the ladies already. I think over 90% would rather have the "date" There are to many guys, who treat them like a piece of meat and they are charged accordingly. I'm like a breath of fresh air to the girls.
I have never denied that I'm cheap and that I come to Thailand to get laid. I do care and like the ladies but I'm not going to over pay them.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:32 am on Dec. 28, 2002
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BigDUSA
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One last thought.
I give the girls the illusion of the boy friend experience and it is an illusion as I'm paying the girls for their time and body. I enjoy the time and attention I give the girls and the girls love it, but I am more interested in what I get back from them. As I get to know the girls some of them become a little special. I don't lie but i am a "smooth operator"
The girls give us the illusion of the GFE and we FALL for it. What goes around comes around. Why should we think their immune to the BFE illusion?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 12:58 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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nikko
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Well, I thought I was going to stay out of this thread as we have already discussed price to death. ÝBut after a few of the posts and related posts in some other threads I am going to put in my 2 cents. ÝBigDUSA, you seem like a nice enough guy from your posts and I am not trying to flame/insult you but I question and/or disagree with just about everything you have said in one way or another. ÝAnd you seem open-minded enough to consider other's opinions, so here goes. ÝTo tackle every item would take too long so I am going to hit the most salient points. ÝFirst, ÝI (and I think this was Oaktoad's point) do not see the rationale for tying the amount that you pay to the minimum wage in Thailand. ÝOn several fronts. ÝWhat the thai goverment deems adequate to provide a subsistence living to someone living in a mud hut in ubon rachtahoochie has little to do with anything imho. ÝWould you tie the amount you p4p to the minimum wage in the states or anywhere else for that matter? ÝI don't see any connection whatsoever to base payment on some multiple of minimum wage. ÝIf that were enough, all the girls would work at central for 5000 a month and the girls at central wouldn't freelance. Ý If you want to think of it purely in economic terms, imo the more relevant consideration is the buying power in bkk (or wherever) of x number of baht. ÝAs per ABC's post 500 baht is a value meal at McD's and a cab ride (ok a little bit of an exaggeration). ÝNext, you feel that guys are bringing a western pricing scheme to Thailand. ÝAn infamous escort agency (now defunct) in NYC, prices circa 1999 for truly model quality girls was as follows: Ý$5,000 USD for ONE HOUR, $8,000 for one night and $14,000 for the weekend. ÝCan you get a bj at 43rd and 11th for $25, or can you get a relatively attractive female in the U.S. for less than the above? Of course. ÝBut prices are all over the place. ÝOnce again I think discussing western prices is meaningless, for every escort agency you know of for $100 or less in the states short term, there is one for thousands of dollars. ÝI do not intend to argue that anyone should pay anything like the NYC rates mentioned above, but I don't think someone who pays $100 U.S. long-term, for example, in bkk automatically qualifies as a fool. ÝThere is enough out there in the bkk scene to suggest that in the right circumstances that IS bkk pricing not western pricing (more on this later).
Next, anyone who suggests that because they have bathed, don't act rudely or abuse the girls or that the benefits of an air-con hotel room (and I don't think this is you BigD but like sentiments have been expressed on other threads by others and sometimes you seem to be going down this path) are part of the compensation to the girl, Ýis an ass--- 'nuff said on that point. ÝThe above should be a given if you are a human.
As for why the girls seem to be happy (and for all I know may in factbe happy) with 500/1000, I wanted to expand on something in one of the posts above. ÝOften, I think it is that money or nothing. ÝI have spent a fair amount of time in gg bars particularly Rainbow II in NEP. ÝJust hangin out drinking and observing-- I do my hunting exclusively at mp's. ÝOn any given night, say there are 100 girls working there. ÝWhat seems to me to occur is that the same 40 or so girls get bf'd over and over again. ÝThe other 60 don't get much play (the numbers are not that important the idea is). ÝThey aren't ugly per se, but they aren't the cream of the crop. ÝFor them, it could be you or nothing that night, that week, that month. ÝAnd once you comprise their clientele, they will treat you well and see you again. Opinions may differ here, but for me that doesn't give someone carte blanche to put the screws to them (and this is one point where we probably differ greatly in opinion and will never come to meet  )-- which I think your pricing scheme does. ÝYou probably see it as what the market will bear for them. ÝI disagree partley based on how you arrive at your numbers (i.e., based on minimum wage, etc., see above). ÝAlso, I personally would not want to spend 6 hours wooing a bg to save and additional 500 baht, but to each his own.
Also on two related points, you state basically that if someone pays more, the girls don't respect them they just think they are fools and also, that this type of pricing will drive you out of the market. ÝWell, I know a few expats who make a lot of money by any standard and particularly in bkk. ÝThey don't go out that often but when they do, they routinely pay the girls at rainbow II, 3,000 baht st. ÝExcessive? ÝYeah, I would probably agree. ÝBut, I have seen how the girls treat them. ÝThey are treated very well, I think the girls are extremely grateful for the generosity and the whole staff treats them like rock stars and they never have any problems period. ÝI don't think they are thought to be fools at all and to them it is a drop in the bucket. ÝSo what is the harm? ÝIt has also not resulted in everyone having to pay 3,000 ST all over bkk. ÝAdditionally, as for folks paying more than 500/1000 ruining it for you. Just because you can't afford something doesn't mean the price should automatically be lowered to what you can afford-- if it were I would be driving a ferrari. ÝIMHO, it is wishful thinking not a justification.
One last series of points before I get off my soap box. ÝYou have suggested that models/sideliners are hanging out in front of the Nana hotel at 2 am and are available for 500 baht. ÝHave you ever been to the model floor at say Poseidon? ÝOr any high-end mp? ÝDo you know any of these girls or what they look like? ÝThe so-called high-end mps are pretty much where I do my shopping. ÝI and several others on this board have come to know a lot of these girls pretty well. ÝI disagree with ABC's post above regarding how much they make. ÝI know plenty who make 5-6000 baht (and more) a night, never mind every couple of days and not including sponsorship money. ÝI have seen girls with mult-million baht condos, driving bmw's (in thailand about $55,000 USD for a 3 series). ÝAnd this usually seems to come from gifts/sponsorhips from rich asians, including thais, not falangs. ÝThere is a whole different layer of p4p going on here that most people on this forum are blind to or don't want to admit exists or insist that they get more cheaply. I could go on and on about how much these girls make but it Ýobviously does not apply to all of them. ÝBut the last place you are going to find them is looking to give a 500 baht screw to a middle-aged falang tourist at 2 am. ÝMany have gone straight home after the mp, or are out with friends and not looking for the sixth screw of the day. ÝI Ýknow there may be Ý exceptions, but I think it is misleading to suggest that girls that look like Miss Thailand are crawling around Sukhumvit, giving it away at firesale prices. ÝThat opinion is buttresed by the fact that ÝI've seen the ladies hanging around at that hour on the street and even at Grace when it was still hopping. ÝIMHO, I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe that girls that I would term model types or anything close abounds in these places. ÝWhile, I am not an expat, I spent 5 months last in year in bkk so I feel confident in my own perceptions. ÝAs for pricing for these girls--- sure some have even offered freebies and you don't always have to pay them a mint--but given what they can make in any given night at an mp (or command fl'ing at Spasso-- which truly is overpriced for the "quality" ), I don't think 3,000 or even 4,000 baht LT is always ridiculous. ÝWhat is ridiculous is that they will be happy with 500. You seem to think you are smooth and that these gals will be happy with that amount. Maybe. ÝBut at that point I think that you contradict some of your own statements regarding the ladies being in it for the money. ÝAnd for a lot of these "higher-end" females those amounts just won't cut it.
Anyhow, all of this said, if I am ever in bkk when you are I hope we can grab a brew  ÝMaybe I'll learn a thing or two.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:38 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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nikko
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Just to add to the above. I agree with The Machine, that you don't have to go with the 3,4-5,000 baht gals to have a good time. But if someone wants to go to Poseidon and its ilk, why begrudge them? And if they think the girl is so much better looking that it is worth it, they don't have to "convince" themselves that it is. For them, it is.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:19 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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leaford
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I spend more then 500 baht at McDonalds in BKK.
Good god, man!! That's like 10 value meals!! How much do you eat?!?!?!?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:43 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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mm3
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nikko:
If I have not misread ABC's post, he is saying the model type girls are making 5000+ baht per day, same as what you have stated.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:11 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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leaford
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Nikko wrote: "As per ABC's post 500 baht is a value meal at McD's and a cab ride (ok a little bit of an exaggeration)."
A huge exaggeration, value meals are 50-90baht, and 100baht cab fare will get you most anywhere in BKK.
BTW; I found a price list on someone's website. It does not have the value meals, just a'la'carte:
McDONALDS
Burgers:
Hamburger 19 baht
Cheese burger 27 baht
Double cheese burger 50 baht
Big Mac 55 baht
Pork burger 19 baht
Samurai pork burger 45 baht
Fillet-o-fish 45 baht
Others:
McChicken 45 baht
Chicken McCrispy 2 pcs 55 baht
Chicken McNutget 4 pcs 45 baht
Mac Fried s/m/l 22/30/35 baht
Beverages:
Coke, Sprite, Fanta Reg. 22 baht/L. 26 baht
Pineapple juice Reg. 24 baht/L. 27 baht
Hot coffee 20 baht
Iced coffee/Milo/Lemontea 26 baht
Mineral water 12 baht
Milk 10 baht
Deserts:
Pies 25 baht (Taro, Pineapple, corn)
Sundaes 29 baht (Chocolate, Strawberry, Toddy palm)
Ice cream cone 7 baht
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:13 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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leaford
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Nikko,
BigD never said he based his prices on the minimum wage. Someone else posted the minimum wages in order to put into perspective just how much 500 or 1000 baht is in the thai economy.
Second, offering a rate, and leaving it to her to accept or decline, is hardly "putting the screws" to anyone.
Third, there is a big difference in the standard rate at a MP and the standard rate at a beer bar, so 1) using Poseidon as a benchmark for, say, The Beer Garden, is unfair, and 2) I don't think anyone is suggesting we should be able to pay the same at an MP as at a Beer Bar.
Also, no-one said treating the girl well, paying for her dinner, etc, is PART OF her pay. What was said is that if the girl is well treated she's more likely to be happy to be with you (and happy with the money), and to want to be with you again, irrespective of what you're paying her. I think that's true whether you're paying 1000/LT or 5000/LT. The opposite is true as well, no matter how much you pay her, if you treat her like shit, she's not going to be happy with you or your money. Not that she won't take it, though. 
Personally, as I've said before, I prefer to stay in a range from 500-1000 for ST, and 1000-1500 for LT. It varies mostly on the venue. I know for example, I'm never going to get a 500ST at a go-go, but I don't expect to ever have to pay 1500ST for a FL. Season also comes into play. Low season I almost always get 500ST/1000LT at beer bars and FL joints. High season, it's more like 1000ST/1500LT. Go-go's are always more expensive, from 1500ST to 3000LT. That's why I don't take go-go girls often.
Anyway, it's not about talking the girls down in price, it's about finding a girl who will take the price offered. BigD does it by making a personal connection with the girl. I stay at venues where that's the going rate.
As a side point, personally I find it a big turn off when the girl brings up money. "How much you give me?" almost guarantees an answer of, "Nothing, bye!" I had one go-go girl who turned from sweetness and smiles into a cold accountant the moment we got to my room. Last trip I had two FLs who did that after our first round, and so what would have been a LT for them for more money, turned into a ST for less. Their loss. IMO "up to you" is the attitude I want. If I'm treated well, I'll pay fairly, and tip besides. If not, just the standard.
BTW; it's funny how communities form consensuses. On this board there seem to be a lot of big-spenders, and the consensus seems against the 500/1000 standard. On other boards I'm on, there seem to be mostly cheap charlies, who even complain about BGs charging more in high season, calling that a rip-off. Just goes to show, it's really all a matter of opinion. At least until the girls unionize. 
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:02 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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