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Quote: from MX31 on 1:05 pm on Jan. 19, 2003
As I said...*if* I wrote a plain post stating the obvious, no one would haved read it twice or gave it a speck of attention. ðBut when one reads something that makes them think (at least enough to respond here anyway) or get their panties in a bunch...
MX, here's where I take exception to what you've said, and maybe this, as much as anything, is what caused the raised hackles of some others. ðIME so far, a nice, rational post (not dissimilar from the last one you made) would have drawn plenty of attention. ðGetting people po'ed only served to distract from your central thesis. ðSure, you draw more gawkers by bloodying a nose or two, but civil discourse will get people to accept your postion as rational. ðAnd as there are over 2000 registered users here, but only around 50-100 active posters (or so it seems), a lot of people might read something helpful if only a few respond.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:38 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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MrJoe
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I wasn't really going to respond any further -- because I know I've already gonbe on too much -- but I want to lend my support to Suaa because I think he has put his finger right on it.
In the last post I agreed with MUCH of what MX said --even though he didn't address some of the points that I or others have taken issue with and I think spent a good deal of the post rationalizing and justifying (not altogether successfully) some of his...excesses. But again (for the 3rd? time) I point to what Suaa explained very well. It's the way MX expressed himself that I and others objected to.
And I must say that suggesting (more than once) that those who don't like the message can't actually be disagreeing based on any factual reason but rather they object because they are misplacing thier anger -- is the weakest kind of defensive argument (the old "the truth hurts" gambit). That's an easy one-- just insist that anyone disagreeing is doing so because they are defensive. I can't speak for anyone else but I have enough integrity and intellectual discpline to respond based on facts and honest opinion and/or principles. And besides; why would "the truth hurt" me? I'm no sponsor and I have nothing emotionally invested in the idea that a relationship -- of whatever type -- with a bargirl can be successful.
As for the morality thing, I won't speak for the person who made those comments because as someone who is equally guilty (in the past) it would be hypocritical of me to do so but I think it's clear what the issue is (or at least some of it). Colluding with someone to deceive or benefitting from that deception might be said to be immoral.
Sorry for all the commentary from me people.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 12:56 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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haam sup
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One of the things that drives these threads to the relatively large volumes they occupy, is all the quibbling about 'the way it's being said'.
It's so easy to sit behind the keyboard and let fly, without regard to manners or other norms that usually make communication pleasant, or at least possible.
On the other hand, there seems to be a tendency for the less honest among us to use the heat to obscure the light, i.e., argue vehemently based on dislike of the messenger, and ignore the point being discussed.
I don't exempt myself from either of these behaviors; if anything, I am probably more consistently provocative than many other posters, and I counterpunch, too.
All that being said, ðI believe that one of the biggest problems we face in discussing the type of issue that MX raises, is that we bring our Western sensibilities along, and fail to consider that we are NOT in that world, when we are in Thailand.
The idea that BGs 'cheat and lie and steal' is based on our own ideas of fair play and nobility. ðI am NOT an apologist for all BGs, or for the many dishonest (by MY standards) characters I have encountered in Thailand. ðBut without the NEED to believe in the fantasy that sets us up for such treatment, it wouldn't exist.
BGs simply fill a need. ðToo often the need is to suspend disbelief about who we, as men who go to Thailand, are. ðOften, we are socially inept. ðFrequently, we are past our prime physically, and may have never reached our prime financially. ðBGs help us forget - for a year, or a week, or 30 minutes - all those shortcomings. ðThe wiser among us can play the game without too much self-deception, but there is a continuum from the dope who falls in love with the first BG he barfines, and sends her 40,000/month, believing she will quit the bar and wait in Issan for his return, to the 'player' who is careful to keep it 'impersonal' and safe, and needs to remain in control. ðIMO, sanity lies somewhere in the middle. ðEither extreme points to a certain misery.
Like it or not, we stepped into THEIR world, not the other way around. ðI see tourists whining about the lack of service, the dirt, the inefficiency. ðBut it's all part of the cost of being there. ðYep, food, housing and trinkets are all cheap, but nothing is free. ðAnd whining about it will get you ignored, and not much else.
In the end, it takes an ability to be open to a different culture, and a different way of doing things, if you don't want to lose your mind in Thailand. ðWhy should it be different with Thai women?
I share MXs incredulousness about guys who 'fall in love' with BGs and send money, yet I have done it myself. ðAm I bitter? ðNot a bit, because I know that I NEEDED to get through it. ðI don't need to hate or abuse even the worst of the connivers, because I know they can only hurt me if I let them. ðLet them tell me I am a 'hansum man' and that they 'lub me too mutt'. ðIt makes for pleasant flirting. ðWhen I get home to the mirror, do I see Brad Pitt? ðOf course not. ðAnd do I need to 'outwit' them to feel smarter. ðNot really.
I actually dispute that BGs are the 'master manipulators' that many of us claim. ðThey are merely willing assistants in self-deception, often pleasant, and sometimes VERY well-paid at that.
I have seen them called whores, thieves and sluts by a poster, early in this thread. ðI really hate that kind of characterization. ðIt's so clearly about the poster, and has so little to do with any real woman. ðThey're ugly words, and while I'm aware that thieves exist, what BGs do for a living can hardly be described as thievery.
More like cherry picking, from willing trees.
haam sup
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:59 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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MrJoe
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Wow!
Now THAT was an exxxcellent post IMO.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:29 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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Skip
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WOW! (sorry MrJoe, had to second that)
IMO a perfect summation!
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:42 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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CalEden
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"I have seen them called whores, thieves and sluts by a poster, early in this thread. I really hate that kind of characterization. It's so clearly about the poster, and has so little to do with any real woman. They're ugly words, and while I'm aware that thieves exist, what BGs do for a living can hardly be described as thievery. "
haam sup
The TGF experience is made by a dream weaver.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:54 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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jjsushi
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Quote: from MX31 on 1:05 pm on Jan. 19, 2003
As I said...*if* I wrote a plain post stating the obvious, no one would haved read it twice or gave it a speck of attention. ðBut when one reads something that makes them think (at least enough to respond here anyway) or get their panties in a bunch, IMHO it makes more of an impact or at least something to learn from.
When one is slapped with reality, it should be more benficial than just some "you can't trust all Thai girls" statement . . .
It saddens me that guys here get insulted by these words I write, but I would also hope it adds another protective layer to one's skin regarding these girls. Hell, Stickman wrote a lot of negative things about BGs here and I just thought he was a guy who saw it like it was, not like how others wanted him to see it.
Somehow you still think that people had a problem with the basis of your message. IMO that was not the problem. The problem was the tone you projected, along with a smug and insulting writng style.
Your message was not new, informative nor illuminating.
You wonder why everyone is focusing on the messenger instead of the message? Easy. Your "I'm in on the game of fleecing you suckers" method was very ineffectual because it made people ask "Why would a perpetrator tell the sucker he is the sucker?" You then compound you ineffective method with " I am just joking, are you people too dimwitted to figure that out?" along with the cliche "I am Superior man with better looks, intelligence and life successes than all of you"(do you know how many times guys on this board here that one?).
In order for the message to be accepted and effective the messenger has to project some form of credibility. You failed the credibility test and guys picked up on that. Your fatal flaw was that you did not understand your audience.
Goodness, if you just presented your point in the clear and concide manner you have taken to explain yoursef in the last couple of posts, I am sure your message would have been accepted and appreciated.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:55 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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Chompoo
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As I said...*if* I wrote a plain post stating the obvious, no one would haved read it twice or gave it a speck of attention. ðBut when one reads something that makes them think (at least enough to respond here anyway) or get their panties in a bunch, IMHO it makes more of an impact or at least something to learn from.
Yeah, and how's that approach working out for you? Maybe Mensa should retest you.
You have zero credibility and have added absolutely no new info or opinions on this topic so far. Your ideas are very simplistic and ill-formed; I'd say you're about at stage 3 out of 10 on the path most farang go through in understanding and dealing with bargirls. You've gone past the infatuation and rose-tinted glasses and have completely swung around to the point where you want to generalize all of them as liars and whores and that all the guys giving them money are old fools. In the later stages of this journey you'll understand it's a lot more complex than that.
The other guys have responded to the more ridiculous parts of you posts, but they have a tendency to coddle idiots and assholes.
If you want to be taken seriously on this board, I suggest you kill off MX31 and come back as a more well-behaved, rational poster. You'll still be an asshole, but if you try hard you can keep it under wraps.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:10 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
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ABC
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Chompoo:
Well said. His credibility is nothing and it will be more work to re-establish it then to kill the profile and come back as another one.
And ... I could not agree with you more about all the generalizations.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:20 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
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MX31
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Well, since you seem to want to personally attack me, I will return the serve and respond. I was going to bail on this thread as people were just getting way too serious over themselves. But, you made it personal...so let's have some fun...... 
I see that your numerous posts (what, around 1,000 Chompoo) and other reasons known only to yourself seem to make you the "resident" expert here. Well, stand up and be proud. Hmmm...'I' have no clue? If that is so, then you are first in line in that department. I really do not take bar girls all that seriously and certainly nothing on this thread seriously at all. It was fun for sure, which is all I hope to get out this this board.
(Yes, this board is entertaining and good at it).
I enjoy the friendly banter, but it seems that you want to make it personal. So be it, if that is what makes you feel better then go ahead and call me names all day, I am glad to help out your self esteem problem.. I won't stoop to calling someone these all so hurtful names (I think "idiot" and "asshole" was your wonderfully elaborate terminology...bravo! You impress me). I must say I am crying right now because you hurt me so much. (Do I need to put in another sarcasm alert here?)
Get over yourself and maybe if you spent less time on the computer and more time in reality, you would feel better about yourself and feel less inclined to attack others who YOU have no clue about. If you want to take the text on here and make YOUR generalizations.....then as I have mentioned before...Thailand will have fun with you.
I do not need to invent a new name and come back here. I am not looking for any credibility on this board...just a few laughs, and I have to thank you because you have exceeded my expectations in that department! 5555
Regarding gneralizations, see my previous post which defines the use of generalizations regarding human behavior (the statistical significance post) so I have science backing my generalizations. Maybe spending a number of years doing human behavior studies...oh, and my work being published in international psychiatric journals, might just support my use of these methods. I cannot help if you disagree with these scientific methods, you are totally entitled to your opinion. But, according to you, I am not entitled to mine. Hmmmmm.
Someone once said "It ain't bragging if it's true."
Additionally, what I cannot seem to understand is that if you want to attack me so much, why don't you PM me and save the others this boring banter? (My post included) But I guess it helps to see your words up on the board which really is the big thing for you.
Man...almost 1,000 posts on here!!! WOW! You gonna have a party when you hit the big 1,000? I can hear the phone call you will make to the loved ones back home on this one.
"Hey folks...Mom, Dad...I hit the big 1,000!"
"What are you talking about son?"
"One thousand posts...on one of Bangkok's biggest prostitution boards.....you know, on the Internet!"
"We are so proud of you son...we knew you would amount to something one day...and now you have!"
Get over yourself...if being the king of a prostitution board is your highlight in life.....then I tip my hat to the king! Long live the king! I bow before your wisdom and experience! Do I kiss your hand or your feet?
Okay...you wrote something....I responded, we are even......now if this is truely something you want to drag on, fine, then go PM with it. If not, great, then cease your personal attacks, because I really like to banter with someone who uses more than 'asshole' and 'idiot' as their big line of offense. Plus, your failure to go PM just appears to be "attention-seeking." But, I am sure the smart people on here can see right through that and already know it.
While I like nostalgia, and your posts have certainly taken me back to grade school, it gets boring quickly.
Was it Shakespeare who wrote "Thou dost protest too much?" Not sure if that is the correct spelling (go on and say my spelling sucks too).
And your constantly ragging on me...I am sure that makes you look like a real champ...right? ZZZZZZZZZ
(Hey...I have an idea for a really great insult...call me an asshole....again. Maybe...wait...this one owuld bury me......call me a really, really BIG asshole! WOW!).
I will wait on here until I receive your wonderful PM!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:11 am on Jan. 22, 2003
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