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BigDUSA
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cmore,
There's only one Ms Pen who works there. Give her my best and tell her I'll see her in early October.
I'm mean no disrespect. I truely am glad that your able to live the (IMHO) fantasy of the Thai girl friend experence. I hope you don't get hurt.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:09 pm on Sep. 19, 2002
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cmore
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Hey brother Big D, thanks for the info, but as I said in my last post I have no intention of informing Ms. Pen about why I'm giving her this money or who the friend in America is, so I won't be mentioning your name to her at all. If she asks me if you are the friend then as I said before my answer to her will be that I'm not allowed to say. My reason for keeping this secret is actually to keep from causing a problem between the two of you. I don't have a problem with you talking about her here on this forum but it's possible that she might have a problem with it. A lot of the ladies get more then a bit upset to find out that people are talking about them on the internet, especially if their names, phone numbers or pictures are being posted. I don't want to risk her being upset with you. She may or may not have a problem with it but why take the chance. By the way, now that I know the difference between girlfriend and girlfriend experience then I have to say thanks for your concern, but not to worry. I always have one eye open waiting to see if that other shoe is going to drop. However, and I don't mean any disrespect to you either, but you are the one that goes to LOS for the GFE. I don't need the fantasy because when I step off the plane Sunday night the reality will be waiting for me at the front entrance ( MAN! I just know she's going to embarrass me in front of all those other people. My lady quiet and reserved? NOT!  ).
Brother ABC, I hate having to repeat myself all the time so I won't bother saying what I and many others have already said. Those of us that have read your post in the past know where you stand and where your heart rests. It rests with the rare ladies of LOS who have, so far, taken the trust that we've given them and not abused it. Isn't it a shame that the percentage of the rare ones is so low and that finding them is such a dificult task. However they are out there, it just takes a bit of time and effort to find them and in some cases just a little bit of luck. After all, I met my lady on my first night in LOS in the very first bar I went into. They're out there, you've proven it, I've proven it, Brothers CJ, TPE, Nokna, Balls B, Z, and Mr. Joe have proven it. So you keep standing up for them and I will keep standing up for them and maybe some day a few more of the rare ones will decide to stand up and join us also. ( Oh hell, what's it going to hurt to repeat it one more time. Brother ABC, You The Man  )
Brother Chompoo, I would honor your last post with a respectful reply but I'm going to take a pass on that honor because I really don't have anything to say to someone who has decided to defend the honor of another one of the brothers who yes, is entitled to have his own opinions, but who on another thread said that he doesn't want to be known as the kind of man who would say something bad to one of the brothers ( not a direct quote I know but close enough ), and yet he doesn't mind being known as the kind of man who thinks all women are goods and that he comes to LOS because he can get those goods at BARGAIN BASEMENT PRICES. Oh yeah, that's a much better thing for him to be thought of. So to you I only have one thing to say, 
Peace
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:37 pm on Sep. 19, 2002
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chateaujade
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When I came here in late 80s the going rate for LT at NEP was 500 baht ($20 then) and even then Patpong was more, like 1000 and up ($40 then) and at Patpong ST was almost unheard of.
I liked the first girl I took (well, OK second girl) enough that I barfined her daily for 5 weeks. And gave her 500 baht every day (plus fed her and paid for her drinks, real drinks not LD's) When I discovered she had a 58 yr old Scottish HUSBAND in Bangkok, not estranged from him -- the hotel operator ratted her out to me -- I dumped her. We were both upset, but not as much as the bar owner who appreciated the steady stream of cash...I had a few days of bachelorhood and then the bar owner aimed girl #3 at me. And back to the daily barfine and 500 baht. No complaints. She ended up leaving their employ and moving in with me and has never moved out, we have been together ever since.
I say this all now because I want to emphasize that 500 baht is not a dirty phrase to me. But I can't imagine paying 500 baht (especially for a LT but not even for a ST at NEP) because I know that (a) the going price has gone up, (b) it's not 25 baht/$ anymore it's (at moment) 42, and (c) the cost of living has gone up 5-10% per year. In very real terms of buying power that 500 baht hasn't just shrunk by 45% due to forex, it has shrunk by 15 years worth of inflation, stagflation, price spiral, whatever you want to call it.
Other circumstances have changed as well. It's a lot harder to get a LT at either NEP or Pong, a lot of times a girl will agree to a LT then want to piss off back home at 2-3 AM, and unless you started in the mid afternoon -- that's not a LT...if you call her on this and she stays she will likely pout and see to it you have a bad time so why bother?
All this and more is behind my arguments, I am NOT advocating "overpaying" unless there's been something very special you want to tip for. But I am saying, level the field, keep the bottom line up in real terms, buying power terms, and that means IMHO, paying at least 1000 for a ST, 1500-2000 for a LT if it's a bona fide LT, and not just a glorified ST, and tip appropriately for star performances. If you find a girl that can suck a golf ball through 20 ft of garden hose, or glom the chrome of the trailer hitch, why NOT tip her well, because she's hard to find in LOS.
The amazing thing about this whole thread is how narrow the baht gap has been between the alleged cheap charlies and the purported spendthrifts.
And of course, the real bottom line is not financial, it is caring about and linking the ladies as a group, as well as individually (where naturally there is a bell curve from Heart of 24K Gold to Vicious Calculating Bitch Who Would Steal the Amalgam out of your Cavities) and just wanting to do right by them.
It's not a matter of putting them on a pedastel, but if you don't LIKE them, why are you here? And if you DO like them, why would you not want to be kind hearted to them?
This is the syllogism that seems to me to work, and through which some of our MUCH more cynical brethren (and they have to be very cynical indeed to be way ahead of me) can't seem to pass through.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:35 am on Sep. 20, 2002
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chateaujade
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Mykal might question why we have to take the loss of the forex shift and inflation etc.
That's easy. We can afford to, and the girls, by and large, just can't.
Someone who deliberately chooses to exploit this situation, like mykal, IS grinding the faces of the poor, and apparently is proud of it.
THAT is a scumbag. Lower than eel snot.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:22 am on Sep. 20, 2002
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Chompoo
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> Brother Chompoo, ... and yet he doesn't mind being known as the kind of man who thinks all women are goods and that he comes to LOS because he can get those goods at BARGAIN BASEMENT PRICES. Oh yeah, that's a much better thing for him to be thought of.
Would you care to be more specific as to where Mykal mentioned that he thinks all women are goods? I know nothing about Mykal's personal life or how he deals with non-prostitutes. ÝMaybe he's a complete lying, two-faced bastard and treats them like crap; I don't care, that is not my concern here. However, if he chooses to treat prostitution as a business (as the pros do themselves) then I have no problem with that.
Can you really not understand the difference between the "women" being goods and the services they provide being goods? Until you can understand that critical difference you will never understand prostitutes and you will never understand practical people like Mykal and me.
Most prostitutes would find your patronizing and maudlin attitude either laughable or annoying. They don't want your love or your pity; they'll settle for your money and a little respect.
It's clear that you choose not to answer my posts directly because you don't want to face the hypocrisy in your stance. That's fine, as I said, I don't care, just don't judge those of us who live in the real world.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:59 pm on Sep. 20, 2002
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BigDUSA
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CJ,
Good post and I would agree that the difference is not large from your suggusted fee and mine but on another thread where a newbie was asking about b/f a girl and taking her on vacation someone suggusted up to 6000 per day as a fee. That's $150USD. Ok by me if aanyone wants to pay that kind of money but I like to let the newbies lnow that you can pay a lot less and the girls are at least satasfied (s) with it.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:25 pm on Sep. 20, 2002
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Chompoo
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cj, I don't think your analysis makes one bit of difference.
The prices are what they are and a trivial comparison of exchange rates and cost of living increases is meaningless. Using such a simple method then I should pay 1/4 what I did three years ago since my own net worth has declined by that much. There are just way too many other factors at play. Tourists to Thailand are not responsible for its weak economy and we shouldn't be expected just to throw money at anyone who wants it. Again, I find it self-serving for tourists to go out of their way to be generous to bargirls who are some of the least hard-hit economically. Give the taxi driver a 50B tip, give the doorman 20B every time you go by, tip 100% in the restaurants, .... If someone makes a personal connection with a bargirl or anyone else and truly wants to make a difference in that persons life, then go ahead. But paying 1000B vs. 500B for a ST is meaningless. Anything more than the minimum rate for the service is charity; and I find it very offensive for people to tell others how they should allocate their charitable giving and how much they should give.
I find repulsive (and inefficient) the model that people should pay based on how much money they have. To a certain degree this works itself out, a rich guy isn't going to hunt so long for a bargain or try to haggle as much. But you can't decide that for everyone. Would you put up a table of minimum prices for each currency? I.e. Americans pay 1000B, but Aussies only 600B because their exchange rate has not improved.
If the girls are making so little money then why are so many still starting the profession? It still makes economic sense for them. And I actually see no significant decline in the standard of living of BGs today vs. 10 years ago. If anything they seem to have more consumer goods and more free cash, on average. Your observation that many girls choose not to go LT is an indication that they are not really that desperate.
Looking for a bargain and paying the minimum is not in any way exploitative. If there's something specific that Mykal or anyone else does which you find manipulative then please explain it.
> It's not a matter of putting them on a pedastel, but if you don't LIKE them, why are you here? And if you DO like them, why would you not want to be kind hearted to them?
It is putting them on a pedestal, you are treating them unlike everyone else you come into contact with in Thailand. It is not a matter of like and dislike. I may like the taxi driver who takes me to the airport and if I do I'll give him a good tip. That doesn't mean that every taxi driver deserves a 30% tip and it doesn't mean that I'm cruel to go down the line of taxi drivers to find the one who will take me there the cheapest.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:25 pm on Sep. 20, 2002
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chateaujade
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Chompoo, let's agree to disagree. Nothing will reconcile these differences.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 3:06 pm on Sep. 20, 2002
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Chompoo
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OK. I'll stop telling people they're paying too much if you stop telling them they're paying too little. We can both still criticize them for treating the girls like servants, however.
(Although that's not really fair, since I never would think to criticize anyone who wanted to pay way too much, as that would be hypocritical.)
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:15 pm on Sep. 20, 2002
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