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nikko, excellent post. What BigDUSA is doing is taking advantage of a situation by lowballing the BG's. He's playing hardball price wise with the BG's. BigDUSA has set some kind of artificial budget based on his frugality. The 500 to 1,000 baht ($12USD to $24USD) is what he would pay for a meal in a medium priced resturant in the City of Brotherly Love, Philadelphia. All I'm asking be little more generous with the BG's don't lowball and play hardball. We know you can afford it! The money you give will not make a difference in your life, but may help more than the BG.
I really resent that you rationalize your frugality and lead the newbies (post) to believe this is a reasonable amount to pay. Peace.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:10 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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cmore
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Okay, am I the only one who just fell in love with brother Nikko? I do believe he has just surpassed me for longest post ever  .
I also cannot understand what the minimum daily wage for the average Thai has to do with anything. So what if the average Thai earns only 169 baht per day. All that information does for me is make me feel bad for the good people of LOS. 169 baht is around 4 bucks. You guys pay more for a pack of cigarettes.
What does that have to do with what the wonderful ladies of LOS provide us with on a daily ( Or even hourly ) basis? And there is no way I would ever consider any of them to be anywhere close to being average. The average person could never handle doing what some of these ladies have to do in order to provide for themselves and their families.
The only average that applies to these ladies is this. The average lady involved in the P4P biz is aware of what is considered the "standard" ST and LT prices and most of them will quote this price. Yes there will always be those who will ask for more then the "standard" but that's to be expected. A simple no on your part and walk away will handle that situation. These ladies provide us with a lot and what most of them ask for in return is so little. Play fair
One final thought. Big D says that if prices keep going up then pretty soon there'll be no reason to go through the hassle of going to LOS in order to enjoy the P4P biz. Might as well stay home. Well if your reason for going all that way is because you are strickly a sex tourist then yes, there will no longer be much of a reason for you to make that long trip. However if your reason for going all that way is because you enjoy actually spending time with a beautiful lady doing other things outside of the bedroom then no matter whether the "standard" price increases or not I have a feeling most guys will keep coming back.
I may be wrong but I don't think the GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE that a lot of guys come to LOS for exists anywhere else except in LOS. I seriously doubt that that term will ever apply to the P4P biz here in the USA. So if many of the strickly sex tourist decide that the "standard" price has become more then they are willing to pay and they decide to stay home rather then put up with all the hassles of making that long trip to LOS then I hope they can forgive me for saying this, but PARDON ME FOR NOT SHEDDING A TEAR. Peace
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 6:36 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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nikko
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Leaford,
I may have overemphasized the minimum wage rate thing (but you overemphasize the McD's thing, but you gotta love the sticky rice pork burgers  ÝBut BigD definitely (and others as well) referenced it (and I don't know how long you have been on the forum but the whole price thing has been beat to death in several other threads where folks pointed to this and other things like dinner, etc and several other things to back up their arguments for lower prices and I may have dragged some of that into this thread-- they have blurred together at this point). ÝI personally don't Ýthink that has much to do with anything. Try living on 150 baht a day. ÝOf course for a tourist it is a non-starter because of hotel. To extend it further, I don't even think what thais pay for sanook has much to do with anything either. ÝIf you want local fun at local rates, go to Lad Prao or Chok Chai 4 Rd. ÝThat is just my opinion, everyone is free to disagree. ÝAnd yes, in the end what consenting adults do and agree to is up to them. As to putting the screws to someone: ÝIMO, I don't see the sport in haggling down to a price that I consider low. Where else can you have fun with a gal who will then say re: price-- "up to you"? ÝAs I said in my earlier post, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. ÝAnd yes, of course the standard rates for go go bar and mp, beer bar and fl's are different as will be the rates for seeing those girls on the side. ÝBut why not say exactly that. ÝIt seems to me that the tone of the posts is if you ever pay more than 500/1000 you are overpaying and a chump. I disagree with suggesting that guys who choose to go to say Poseidon are fools, not getting their moneys worth, etc. or that you can always get an attractive female at these lower rates or generally that you should never pay more than this. ÝIt has to do with individuals preferences and tastes as to both the females and the amount of payment. The opposite can hold true. I can think and say those who pay 500 st are going with ugly chicks and/or heartless bastards. ÝBut I don't feel the need to start threads stating or implying this. ÝCan you get Lt at soi 7 beer garden for 1000? I guess so. ÝAnd to point that out is helpful and informative for those who want to go there if that is the going rate (don't hang there don't know). Can you get it at Spasso? Not likely. Ý And then to insist that you can get the "high-end" girls for a like amount is misleading or we have very different ideas of the high-end of the spectrum. ÝAnd as I noted that doesn't mean you can' t get those girls for free at times if you want but we are talking generally not specifics. ÝA fool in one man's opinion can be a generous guy in someone else's. Ý If someone wants to be informative, they can say where they go and what they pay and leave it at that. ÝIMO, I may be misreading it but the tone of the thread is not geared to doing that but geared to putting others down and is misleading as to the range of acceptable prices.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:48 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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BigDUSA
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When I started this thread I knew I would get a lot of responses and many guys would lurk and view the discussion. So far no flame wars have broken out just a good give and take about treating and paying the girls FAIRLY.
IMHO any guy who pays 10K for a s/t is overpaying and is a chump. There I got that out of the way. I agree that I pay on the low side and that I don't hang out in Spasso or soi 33 type places. When I want a MP I go to Annie's. I'm hangen with the homey's at the beergarden, soi 7, Bamboo Bar or over at Suzy Wong's on Soi Cowboy. At every beer joint I've mentioned I've paid 500 or 1000. I could name the same type of places in Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Chang Rai but you get the picture. I have no problems with guys who want to pay more money to get laid.
I just want NEWBIES to know that you can pay 500 s/t and 1000 l/t and the girls will be happy with it. If they want to pay more money "up to you".
I've reread all the post's and I've laid out my system that works for me (your mileage may vary) in my endless pursuit of pussy on the cheap.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:04 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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leaford
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Quote: from nikko on 7:48 am on Dec. 29, 2002
you gotta love the sticky rice pork burgers.
Not a fan of Pork Burgers, but I kinda like the Samurai sauce. I did like the sweet corn pies.  I also tried the Lychee pie, but it was too sweet.
As to putting the screws to someone: ÝIMO, I don't see the sport in haggling down to a price that I consider low.
But I'm not talking about haggling. Personally I can't stand haggling with them as if they were merchandise. IF we discuss price before hand, I either accept or decline what they ask. If price isn't discussed, I pay the usual rate for venue and season, plus tip if appropriate.
And by usual I mean the rates I mentioned before, which again are based on venue and season. Very seldom has anyone been unhappy with those prices.
Where else can you have fun with a gal who will then say re: price-- "up to you"?
That's my preference. I don't often go with girls who don't go the "up to you" route, just because it spoils the GFE, IMO.
As I said in my earlier post, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. And yes, of course the standard rates for go go bar and mp, beer bar and fl's are different as will be the rates for seeing those girls on the side. But why not say exactly that. It seems to me that the tone of the posts is if you ever pay more than 500/1000 you are overpaying and a chump. I disagree with suggesting that guys who choose to go to say Poseidon are fools, not getting their moneys worth, etc. or that you can always get an attractive female at these lower rates or generally that you should never pay more than this. It has to do with individuals preferences and tastes as to both the females and the amount of payment.
I think that's a matter of different preconceptions. I think BigD was referring to fls and beer bars, although I don't want to presume to speak for him. Similarly, I don't think you were really considering beer bars or FL bars when you gave your standard prices, but I could be wrong. There are so many different venues, and differences even between joints of the same type, and we each have our preferences as to where we play. "Standard" price for each of us varies, therefore based on where and when.
The opposite can hold true. I can think and say those who pay 500 st are going with ugly chicks and/or heartless bastards. But I don't feel the need to start threads stating or implying this.
See above. I'm not being cheap to pay the usual rate for where I play, any more than you're overpaying for where you play. But if I went to Poseidons, I'd HAVE to ante up, whereas if you go to a typical beer bar and still pay 4000baht, you are overpaying, which IMO is foolish. (Of course, tips are another matter. I almost always pay more than just the standard rate if the tip is considered. I suppose if you look at it as a 2500 tip on a 1500LT, then it'd be extravagent, not foolish )
Likewise, we all know prices go up in high season, but I'd feel foolish to pay high season rates in low season, wouldn't you?
Can you get Lt at soi 7 beer garden for 1000? I guess so. And to point that out is helpful and informative for those who want to go there if that is the going rate (don't hang there don't know). Can you get it at Spasso? Not likely.
Well, I guess it's just as well that I can't stand disco's then. (I hate techno, house, club, rave, etc music)
And then to insist that you can get the "high-end" girls for a like amount is misleading or we have very different ideas of the high-end of the spectrum. And as I noted that doesn't mean you can' t get those girls for free at times if you want but we are talking generally not specifics.
More like different ideas of what to include in the spectrum. I didn't count MPs, sideliners, escort agencies etc. They aren't of interest to me because I prefer hanging out, talking, playing games, etc., to going in and having 90 min to do the deed. (And see above about discos.) OTOH, I also wouldn't count Short Time bars or BJ bars, like in Pattaya, where a 500ST is common, because I don't like those places either. Nor would I count the disco FL's, hi-so thrillseekers, etc. That's not my preference. Your preferences are different, and thus you have a different pay scale.
A fool in one man's opinion can be a generous guy in someone else's. If someone wants to be informative, they can say where they go and what they pay and leave it at that. IMO, I may be misreading it but the tone of the thread is not geared to doing that but geared to putting others down and is misleading as to the range of acceptable prices.
See above regarding extravagence. And, true, if we do include ALL venues, from the top to the bottom, we would have to figure a much higher average even than what you're paying, but as I said that'd be unfair, as it's lumping hi-baht along with low-baht venues. I think MM3 hit it closest to a fair comparison with the ST calculator site; it's specific to the particular venues it covers. I just wish the site was a bit broader than just Nana and SC.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:17 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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leaford
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Quote: from BigDUSA on 9:04 am on Dec. 29, 2002
IMHO any guy who pays 10K for a s/t is overpaying and is a chump. There I got that out of the way. I agree that I pay on the low side and that I don't hang out in Spasso or soi 33 type places. When I want a MP I go to Annie's. I'm hangen with the homey's at the beergarden, soi 7, Bamboo Bar or over at Suzy Wong's on Soi Cowboy. At every beer joint I've mentioned I've paid 500 or 1000.
I do think Nikko has a point, though, BigD, that you should qualify that statement to read. "IMHO any guy who pays 10K for a s/t AT BEER BARS, FL BARS AND GO-GOS is overpaying and is a chump." It really depends on the venue, and prefering a more pricy venue isn't foolish, it's just a matter of personal taste.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:24 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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nikko
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BigD,
I agree, I don't think anyone wants or advocates 10,000 ST (other than the girls). ÝJust noticed a post in this thread by BK on prices on Spasso and no BK she probably wasn't kidding, ÝI know of a few females who have left the MP life to FL at Spasso for 10,000 LT regularly. ÝI've been there but I don't shop at those prices either. ÝAnd Leaford, I stand by my posts but can't say I disagree with what you are saying for the most part (I will reserve comment on the pies at McD's, haven't tried 'em). I will clarify some of my statements to say that it can be pricey to see a model/sideliner type outside of the MP not just in. ÝAlso, by referring to me as Nokka, I hope that you are not confusing me with Nokna. ÝI am neither that hansum nor Bandit's daddy Ý
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:04 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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leaford
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Nikko,
I called you Nokka? Really? You sure? Look again. Maybe you need glasses.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:29 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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nikko
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The edit function is a magical thing.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:32 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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