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mosquito2002
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Newbie's input:
Most I've paid for a go-go girl - 4000 baht, not including the 500 baht barfine and about 500 baht in drinks. Normally 500 baht barfine, 2000 baht tip and 500 baht drinks.
Most I've paid for a soapy girl - 2600 baht (1600 and 1000 baht tip), plus atleast 1-2 drinks.
Normally 1600 baht, 500 baht tip and 1-2 drinks. My one fault (ok, one of many) is that I'll tip the 500 baht even if the service isn't up to par.
Most I've paid for a BBG (L/T) - 2200 baht (200 barfine and 2000 baht tip), plus 3-5 drinks.
Normally 200 barfine, 1500 tip and 3-5 drinks. Here I'll only tip 1000 baht if the service was below average.
To qualify this; TG has to be 7 and above in looks, good English (which means, average age around 23), well dressed. sense of humor and indications that she'd be good in bed (being playful at the bar). Pattaya being my hunting ground.
Mosquito2002
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:58 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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cmore
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I also saw the ST rates listed on that site. Hopefully I'm not the only one who has noticed how the ST rates listed for both Nana and Soi Cowboy both seem to be inline with the "standard" rates that a good number of the ladies seem to be aware of and appear to have accepted for the most part, at least as far as ST is concerned. I think that if you guys do a little bit of research you'll find that the majority of the ladies will quote you the same "standard" ST rate no matter where you go in LOS. It stands to reason that the same probably holds true for the LT rate as well.
I'm sorry guys, I hate to keep beating a dead horse here but the so called "standard" of 1000 baht ST and 1500-2000 baht LT just seems very fair to me and I just don't see the point of trying to lowball the ladies into coming down on the "standard" rate. Especially when the Girl Friend Experience is such a wonderful concept and really can't be found anywhere else. Peace
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 10:43 pm on Dec. 28, 2002
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leaford
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Cmore,
That's at a go-go, which is of course more than a beer bar, or for a FL. And, assuming it's actually regularly updated, that's in high season, not low.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:25 am on Dec. 29, 2002
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BigDUSA
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cmore,
To experience the REAL GFE you need to do this back home, where your not paying the so called standard rate. As one member has stated; when you pay the girl, she's not your girlfriend. She's feeding your fantasy and empting your wallet.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:18 pm on Dec. 29, 2002
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nokna
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not my girl BigDUSA.
it was a real GFE,after a while refused money from me,just wanted to be with me.
and now i feel so guilty about how i treated her so badly at times.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:38 pm on Dec. 29, 2002
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cmore
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Well bros I hate too tell you this but the last time I was there was in Sept. so unless I'm mistaken I was there during low season not high. Also I've only been in 2 gogo bars during both of my trips. I spent all my time in beer bars with my then girlfriend so it was the ladies that worked in beer bars who I talked to, not gogo bars.
I may be wrong but as far as I can see they are all offering the same service, they just work in different places. The bar where they work doesn't set the "standard" price for the ladies services, the ladies themselves do.
The only price difference I really see is in the bar fine. The bar fine in gogos is usually higher then in beer bars or pool bars. By the same token the bar fines in gogos for the staff is usually higher then for the dancers. The price you pay the ladies really doesn't have that much to do with where they work. Once the bar fine is paid then every lady, no matter where she works is now pretty much in freelance mode. The only places that have specific prices are the MP's, gentlemans clubs and Eden. Yes maybe the ladies in the gogo bars may think they are better then the ladies that work in beer bars or pool bars but the bottom line is that it's still the same service no matter where they work. As I've said before the majority of the ladies, no matter where they work, are aware of the so called "current standard" price and most will quote that price, and the only difference I can see regarding low or high season is that because there are fewer tourist during low season then the ladies know that it's in their best interest to sometimes quote a lower then the "current standard" price if they want to make any money.
Now as far as the GFE goes, I agree with brother Nokna and I have to wonder if some of the brothers have ever really had the GFE in LOS. This is just my own opinion and everyone is free to disagree with me on this but as I see it, from my own experience and from what I've read from other post, the GFE is determined by what I call the 3 day rule. Day 1 you meet her in whatever bar or whatever, you spend time together and she agrees to let you BF her. At the end of the "date" she gets dressed and gets ready to leave and she expects her payment. In most cases they will give you their mobile number and then leave with one thought in their mind. That they shouldn't expect to ever see you again.
Day 2 she's there at work waiting to see who's going to BF her this evening when in you walk. She see's you and unless she's a cold hard hearted person she's more then likely smiling and saying to herself that you came back to see her so maybe you actually like her ( How many times have you guys gone back to that same bar and heard the lady say that you are the first customer she ever had that came back to see her again? ). So you BF her again and take her someplace instead of going straight back to the room. In the morning she has her hand out waiting to be paid and she is pretty much convinced that there's no way she's going to see you again so she leaves, but after this second "date" I think it would be fairly safe to say that her heart might be starting to thaw just a little bit.
For those of us who have made it to day 3 I don't think I need to go any further. I experienced it with my ex, brother Nokna experienced it and so have many others. I'm not going to speak for them but here's how it went for me. In the morning she said she really liked me and refused to take any money from me. She hoped that she would see me again but would understand if I wanted to be with other ladies ( She couldn't look me in the eye during that part ). I smiled, got dressed and walked her back to her bar. Then I gave her money and told her it was a gift and that if we didn't see each other again then how would she be able go with me to the grand palace the next day. She looked at me, broke out in a big smile and damn near strangled me with a bear hug.
Again this is just my opinion but if you've never experienced the 3 day rule where after the third "date" she no longer has her hand out waiting to be paid then I have my doubts about what some of you consider the GFE. I'm pretty sure that my take on the GFE is vastly different then brother Big D's so if anyone else also has their own take on what the GFE is then I'd love to hear it.
A Thai lady in the P4P biz, who supposedly is only in it for the money, is now refusing to take any money from you. She has just gone from dating for pay to just dating. Sounds like a girlfriend to me, and before you guys start saying that maybe she's starting to think about the bigger picture, such as a sponsor sending her money every month remember this. There's no law that says you have to give her your email address or phone number back home and there's no law that says you have to let her go to the airport with you on your last day. It's up to you to decide how far the GFE should go. Peace
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2002
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BigDUSA
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cmore,
there is no current standard rate. It's more of what the market wii bare.
Your 3 day rule is interesting and I like it. Here the rub, the girl still takes the money. Remember the current standard rule, when the girl takes money from you, she's not your girlfriend. She's a working girl, a very plesent working girl, but still a working girl. Your buying the illusion, nothing more.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2002
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cmore
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I guess I will just never understand your way of thinking on this brother Big D. You seem to be saying that if you give a lady money she stops being your girlfriend and instead becomes a working girl. I hope not because I think Ms. X and many other ladies in the world might tend to disagree with you on that one.
We all have had girlfriends at one time or another and most of us have given them money for whatever reason as a gift or to help them pay a bill or something. Anytime we take them out on a date we pay for dinner, movies, flowers, drinks or whatever and chances are that at the end of the date we'll end up in bed together. So one way or another we end up spending money on our girlfriends usually before we end up in bed with them.
I do hope you're not saying that women go from being girlfriends to working girls anytime we spend or give them money. Or are you saying that this only applies to the ladies of LOS? Why would that matter in the least. A girlfriend is a girlfriend no matter what part of the world they live in or for that matter what they happen to do for a living.
Consider the 3 day rule a little more carefully. If she refuses to accept money anymore for spending time with the guy she's with then how is that considered working? If the guy insist on giving her money anyway and tells her to look at it as a gift instead of as payment then how is that considered working? If she still refuses to accept the money so he tells her he'll use the money to take her shopping how is that considered working?
Whether the GFE is an illusion for some or a reality for others one thing is clear, at least to me. If she is no longer accepting money from you she is no longer working whether this applies for only a week or for many years. Yes the money is an important factor to most of them but for a Thai lady in the P4P biz to give up days or weeks of bringing in money to pay bills or provide for their families in order to spend time with some guy they just met for free.... well to me this says that they are looking to fill some other kind of need that seems to be slightly more important to them at the moment then paying bills. I guess it's up to each of us to help them figure out what that particular need is and to decide whether or not we want to try and help them fulfill that need or to tell them that we prefer to keep things on a P4P basis.
Bottom line is that girlfriends come in all different shapes, sizes and colors, but from my experience rarely do they ever come in different denominations. Peace
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:04 am on Dec. 30, 2002
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BigDUSA
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cmore,
When you meet a girl for the first time and they expect you to pay them, it's a business arrangment your their customer. Even with your 3 day rule and she says she doesn't want money and you say it's a gift, loan and she still takes it your still her customer. If she REFUSED the money and put it down on the table and would not take it under any circumstances, then I would TEND to agree with you about the girl starting to think of you as " special" to her.
One other thing we meet the girls in a bar. We b/f them. We go back and meet them at the bar and when we leave they go back to work at the bar selling their time and body to men for money. If the girl told you, I'm no longer going to work in this business and I'm getting a day job or going back home then I would agree you had the real deal. The Thai GFE. Other then the above, we all have the illusion of the GFE. It's a wonderfull illusion and I buy into it until I get on the plane, then POOF it's gone.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:37 pm on Dec. 30, 2002
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X
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sorry Cmore, Ýalthough this is all hypothetical for me... I tend to agree more with BigD than with you. ÝI can't in any seriousness compare a stay-at-home mum here (i.e a woman finacially supported by her husband)... or a housewife whose husband is the bread-winner in the relationship with a Thai bargirl.
???? Or am I missing your point? ÝProbably I am missing your point, 'cause I really don't understand what you mean with this bit
<<You seem to be saying that if you give a lady money she stops being your girlfriend and instead becomes a working girl. I hope not because I think Ms. X and many other ladies in the world might tend to disagree with you on that one>>
I think there IS a difference... customer/client difference. ÝMoney does change things.
I think I am underpaid in my job... I tell my boss that every month, infact in every email I send him I remind him, lol. ÝI know I earn the same as other lazy-ass collegues who are infinitely less productive & conscientious in their work than me, and that does seem somewhat unfair to me... BUT, as he is forever pointing out to me... I knew the deal when I accepted the job. ÝI can't fault him on that.
I have read this whole thread.... and although I don't think I would be as rigid with payment as BigD is (I have hands with holes in them when it comes to dishing out money in Asia).... I honestly can't say I disagree with his stance. ÝHe is open and honest with the ladies. ÝThey don't HAVE to go with him... they can hold out for a better-payer if they chose... but the fact remains they do WANT to go with him... and when he comes back again... they want to go with him again. ÝHe must be doing something right.
Maybe 1000 baht and a nice relaxed evening out wining and dining with a man whose company they enjoy is preferable to them than 1500 baht for a wham bam thank you ma'am. ÝA bird in the hand is worth two in the bush', as they say (no pun intended, lol).
I could earn 25% more than I do right now if I switched to another company. ÝI chose not to. ÝI have a great boss and a lot of freedom and pleasure in my work... what's a few hundred bucks a month extra compared to that? ÝMaybe... just maybe... I am not saying it is this way with the scenario BigD describes... but possibly the ladies are happy to sacrifice some money for something else they get from him. Ý
Having read some posts from some assholes in here (present company excluded ofcourse  ) ... I think if I were in the BG's postion I would rather go with a BigD type guy for 1000 baht than with an asshole type guy for 2000 baht.
One thought that keeps passing through my mind everytime I read this thread is.... I do think it is very admirable how many of the guys in here advocate generosity with the BGs, and I am absolutely NOT knocking that... but I do wonder if the same guys agree so readily with the first price quoted by a taxi-driver or a market stall owner or a tailor shop owner or whatever... or do they try to bargain them do to a fairer more acceptable price?
I see BigD's stance with his payment method for BG's in the same way I view things like taxi's or buying clothing or dvd's at the market or agreeing rates at a hotel. ÝI have a price in my head... I may go over that price slightly... but if they seller holds out for a much higher price... I smile politely and go elsewhere.
Oh yeah... and on a sidenote... I like the way this thread has remained polite. ÝI kept waiting for it to degenerate into a slagging match.. and it hasn't. ÝSo that's nice!
Happy New Year to you all !!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:00 pm on Dec. 30, 2002
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