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Smegma
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Actually MrJoe, this conversation reminds me of a quote from Dawkins that I really like. I will not advance what the quote is, but I will change and put it in my signature when I figure how to change it without screwing up my avatar -with the discussion on toad licking and my current signature, a few here are already starting to think that I am some kind of perverted  junkie 
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:39 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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MrJoe
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You mean you AREN'T? I've just lost interest in conversing with you...
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:50 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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Smegma
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I can neither confirm nor deny your statement 
I am not trying to address reality, but perception. By manipulating perception, I would be taking care of what some people here think is reality, without having to bother on letting them know the truth. Perception is reality 
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:56 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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Bigin
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Smegma;
Reality fell off the edge of the world three days ago FYI & FWIW...
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:50 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
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Chompoo
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MX, you continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself with every post. Let's count up how many ridiculously absurd and hypocritical statements you've made in your last round of posts.
Well...I thank you for proving my point that the reason you will not take this 'off topic' issue private is as you state, in both of your statements, that you want others to read them.
You continue to berate me for not taking this offline. Do I really need to point out the hypocrisy here?
I hardly think people need to analyze, as you say, you calling me an asshole yet ANOTHER time. ð Or how about the wonderful "dense" attack. ðWhat is there to analyze in that statement? Those attacks are about as shallow as can be...no analysis needed.
Those are just statements taken out of context. With each one I've shown exactly why those words are proving to be more and more accurate to describe you. People can look at your hypocritical, illogical, and downright idiotic words and decide for themselves.
I do not go into a point by point analysis of whatever it is you write......because it is the same info every time.
Well addressing the issues even once would be nice. I've made it quite easy for you and explained them point by point. Yet you continue to blather away in your irrelevant way.
Please do not put words in my mouth....I can spew this garbage with no help from you. ð*I do not have to counter any of your claims.*
You don't and you shouldn't. Because it's been demonstrated you don't have the intellect for it.
You chose to attack me personally, I did not go after you. ðYou came after me. ðI do not know you from Adam, but you seem to know me pretty well as to come up with all these personal attacks based on my silly posts which you take oh so seriously.
Wrong, I attacked you on the basis of your posts, but only after you attacked just about everyone on this board. I will again point out that I've only commented on your posts and the attributes I've used to describe you can be easily derived from those posts. Whereas, you seem to be able to intuit my entire history and physical features just from my words.
It sounds like you have been burnt too many times and got pissed at the reality of my statements.
It sounds like you don't have a clue. I have never been burned and if your mind had been even the slightest bit open you'd have realized that I've posted many times that I don't even give my email address to the girls, let alone send them bales of cash.
Yes, I was speaking about the 90% of the BG who are dishonest. ðI was talking about the ones I encountered as well.
Now we agree, where before you accused me of "overgeneralizing" and yet now you agree with those exact statements...make up your mind...one post you agree with the same point...the next post you do not. I need a scorecard to keep up with you changing your mind from one post to the next.
Care to be more specific here? I never changed my mind and my opinion on overgeneralizing is just as low as it always has been. Is your reading comprehension really that low that you couldn't see that? Feel free to point out my hypocrisy. Again if you can pick out even one logical flaw or hypocrisy in my statements please do so. But vague statements and generalizing seem to be your forte.
Statistical significance allows me to generalize from the sample to the population in question, my friend. ðIn dealing with human behavior, there are no absolutes and exceptions to every rule exist. I just alerted whoever that this is a relevant method of deduction. ðYou are master at putting words in my mouth and twisting my statements around.
More idiocy. Statistics, when properly used, can give you probabilities and allow you to use phrases like "most" or "it is likely". What you do is worse than the tabloid papers who take a real study and then publish headlines like "STUDY SHOWS BARGIRLS CHEAT SPONSORS" and never give any details on the percentages or sample set.
So...go on and on about me if that makes you feel good. ðYou want others to pat you on the back and say...."that a boy Chompoo, you really told him!" ðYes, you did, I am an asshole as you state as a fact..........say it enough times and maybe someone will believe it........you ragging on and on.........
I don't need that at all. It is sufficient for others to ignore your posts and never take you seriously.
Might I add that you have no clue about my behavioral work....and to compare my garbage written on a prostitution board to actual real writing and research is a joke, but you seem to think there is some relationship. AMAZING!
Hello? You were the one who brought up your supposed credentials and tried to give some scientific validity to your posts. I have not analyzed your real work, whatever that is. Again, through some miracle it may have been interesting or useful, but you certainly ave not displayed any intellectual skills here. That is all I was criticizing.
I never said that my opinions were facts or science. ðI have repeatedly stated my posts are not to be taken seriously....this is a prostitution board...who can take this fluff (mine included) seriously....relax and follow the advice of others here on where you can go have a little fun and unwind.........
What I take seriously are people pretending to be logical and reasonable, then making some absurd conclusions or generalizations and passing them off as anything other than drunken fantasies. If you had chosen to just post anecdotes about bargirls then I wouldn't argue with you.
You sound like the typical bald, fat, and old sex tourist we see all too often. ðNow using your logic, because I said it, does that make it true??? I have no idea who or what you are, and I am sure your mother loves you......I just threw it out there because I knew you would get all nutty about it and insult me some more.
Yes, that's me "all nutty." You still don't get it at all. You can think of me physically however you want (although it does surprise me that you choose this kind of fantasy), but it does not devalue what I've posted. I can demonstrate that you are an asshole and an idiot from your posts, and you have determined from mine that I'm bald, fat, old, been suckered by too many bargirls, have no life, .... Wow, I'm glad all you young fit guys are so easily entertained by making fun of others.
This again proves my point about you being a prejudiced asshole. In an attempt to slander me you instead are making fun of a good percentage of the world's population (and presumably a good number of board members).
Shall I say....or shoud you just reread the posts directed at me and really see where it went to hell.
It is quite trivial to find where it all went to hell; when you posted your ridiculous and inflammatory statement. Would you care to enlighten for us the one point where you think it went down hill?
I am sorry if you guys (insert your name ONLY if it applies) send all this money to these girls and they lie to you....it is not my fault. ðTo be angry about THE WAY I say something is funny at best, pathetically weak at the worst.
Again, the defense of the weak. No one has argued that most overseas sponsors will eventually be burned by their decision and no one here denies that it is generally a decision to do so. Where almost everyone but you differs is that you imply all bargirls will cheat you and that no one should ever give money to bargirls and we should just treat them as objects for our amusement. And you did so in the most obnoxious, condescending way imaginable.
Jeez, it is truly amazing how most assholes don't realize how obnoxious they are. Even if what you claim is the truth, it does not excuse the way you said it.
Don't you get it......you are performing on cue! ðI have decided to turn your obsession with me a little entertaining. ðWould someone else give him an idea about what is happening here?!?! ðSince you are a veteran on here, I am sure one of your buddies can explain it to you.
So I can add "troll" to your list of attributes? What else would you call someone who admittedly has no value in their posts, yet posts them just to get a reaction?
How about instead of bothering this board with your "silly" posts, you just go down to a bar and hang out with others who just want to bullshit and not be called on it.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 3:13 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
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Chompoo
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Smegma, I think you're missing a huge component in your medieval analogy on sponsorship.
I think in a good number of cases the girl really is good and the guy is not being foolish or stupid in seeing that she is good. It is not that she is an accomplished thief and liar, at the time she truly believes in what she is doing and even if she doesn't love the guy she has good intentions. The guy is not foolish for believing the girl.
However, even in that case, the upbringing, environment, education, community, etc. conspire against those two well intentioned people. I could elaborate on all these reasons, but I'm sure you've seen them before.
But, by far the most destructive thing is the lack of trust. The girls are constantly being told by their girlfriends about how the farang sponsor is going to drop them any day now, and the guys are berated by assholes like MX31 who tell them they are complete fools and the girls are already f_cking around on them and laughing behind their backs.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:23 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
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MrJoe
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And that is ALSO correct. (I've just woken up so I'm not sure if I agree that it's a "Good number of cases" or not -- but it certainly is some.)
Anyone notice that I'm agreeing w/so many different views? Of course. Is it a contradiction? I don't belive so. What does that suggest? That MrJoe is a mindless sycophant? Maybe. Or perhaps it suggests that these situations are complex and multi-faceted and come in a variety of colors, shapes, and sizes. There isn't ONE correct answer or we'd all have it.
A very god point is the bit about peer presure or negative influences from the other girls. I've heard it with my own ears many a time.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:25 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
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BoomARang
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MrJoe - I feel the same way, that there are a number of different "sides" that have valid points. But, I more so agree with Chompoo that trust, which can be so easily eroded, is of the utmost importance second only to commitment.
The number different sides is one reason why I enjoyed the discussion before we were all shocked by the news that some women might actually take advantage of a sponsorship situation and that, *gasp*, there were even men, Thai and Farang alike, who were more than happy to help the women to waste the chances they were given as opposed to helping them as well.
Strangely though everyone seems to look down on the "Thai boyfriend" so much that one would think that there would be few Farangs who would lower themselves to the same level, fortunately/hopefully they are few.
Anyway, before that, there was a good discussion by guys who were or had been acting as sponsors or those who were what could be called, "investing in a relationship", which is what I did. These were pretty much specific cases and examples and it was interesting hearing about what went wrong and what went right. I think it would also be interesting to hear how the relationships started, although there was some of that in the posts as well.
I'd like to hear from people how they got started and/or why they decided "This" woman and if things went well, guess as to why as well as if things went wrong.
In the long run and in a large enough population we are all dead so sponsoring anyone doesn't make any sense at all, does it? ;)
Ichi
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:44 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
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Smegma
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Quote: from Chompoo on 4:23 am on Jan. 24, 2003
Smegma, I think you're missing a huge component in your medieval analogy on sponsorship.
Chompoo, I am missing everything, and at the same time I am not missing anything on my analogy. I am missing a lot because I didnt go in detail about specifics. But I am not missing anything because by addressing it generally, everything could be included.
The key point in my trying to make in my post is to keep in check actions and expectations. People are not robots and will not respond like automatons to the same inputs. And love can not be controlled with money -no matter how much.
Yes, I agree with what you say. But did you agree with what I said? ðAre you saying, that you agree with me and in addition .... (the text of your post)? Or are you saying that you disagree with me for the reasons you explain in your post. Excuse me for asking, nevertheless sometimes I fail to make the appropriate link between the content (agrees or disagrees) and the format (apparently showing disagreement or agreement) in a post.
By the way, I agree with you totally on that the most destructive thing is the lack of trust. Many things come into play here. The more different people are (culture, class, age, education, religion, etc.), the more they will doubt each other: it is natural. I think this is natural. Myself, I would, initially at least, trust more a "good", middle class, well travelled, well educated, 27 year old, with an office job when she says "I love you", ðthan I would a 20 year old sexy dancer from Orbit when she says the same thing. On the other hand, I think the same would be true for the girls: the 27 year old above would also be probably trusting me more than the Orbit dancer, who herself may be doubting me, thinking that all I want is have sex with her. Is there a prejudice? Yes. Sad? Yes because we may be madly in love and our doubtss may not be justified. We would have to work hard at overcoming our doubts and trust each other. Time would tell. The other side of the coin, is that sometimes when people fall in love, they forego all traces of rational thought and make themselves prime targets for the not so well intended counterparts (be a girl or a man). It is a lottery out there.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 12:34 am on Jan. 24, 2003
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Chompoo
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Smegma, I don't disagree with what you said, just that I think it is only a small part of the problem and that too many people focus solely on that. When such a relationship fails it is easy for the guy to now think that the girl was just a lying whore all the time (and often the girl is convinced the guy was cheating on her and just using her). I'm not saying that you weren't aware of this, just that your post gave no mention or even hint at this aspect.
Your BG vs. GG analogy makes me wonder. Would a naive bargirl and a rookie customer have a better chance of making it than two seasoned veterans? In general, knowledge is a good thing, but in this case I think it can be very damaging.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:27 pm on Jan. 24, 2003
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