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ABC
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Chompoo:
Two things:
1. I have not seen/met a female in Thailand at any establishment for my personal taste that is worth 10,000 a night. We are not talking about the sponsorship stuff. I am talking about seeing a female for the first/second time and paying 10,000 baht for an l/t.
2. I have never negotiated down a females rate. If people want to, so be it. Just not me.
If the price is way too high, then I will pass and leave it at that. I am not worried about not finding another female. Sex is not the issue.
But .. let's say for this discussion that I negotiate a price.
I have again levels I will pay for the females. And these levels are not written in stone. So, I might pay more, but never less then the rate, unless it's free. Then that's a whole different ball game that I will not addresss in this post.
Right or wrong, these are my levels which I do not mind paying. Does not mean that I will pay them.
Also, if I feel she is asking to high a price at an establishment, even if it is within the range, I will just pass. Looks and chemistry/communication also enter into my equations. The better both the looks and chemistry/communication are the more I am willing to pay.
So .. if this stunner is found in one of these places, and I want to take her, then i would negotiate to a rate within the range of where she was located.
** No amounts include bar fine or tips. Also it is implied that we are talking about taking the female out for an l/t**
GoGo: 1,000 - 3,000 baht
MP fish bowl: 1,500 - 3,500 baht
MP Models and G-Club: 2,000 - 6,000 baht
# Freelancers, and beer gardens are not my hunting grounds!!
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Bottom line for me!!!
I find that haggleing the price with the females or mamasan/papasan cheapers the whole encounter. And puts me completely out of the mood. The mood is not a sexual one, but an all encompassing one. And I am sure the female does not apprecaite it either, but that is my opinion.
Here's something I will admit to:
I do NOT always have sex with the females I take out!!
I do NOT have to pay to play .. so to speak. And do not travel to BKK just to have sex.
** I am ready for the flames!!**
I take many out just to hang out.
I DO NOT have to pay to have a female hang out with me!!
But it allows them to have an evening where they do not have to "perform to get paid" and it's nice to get to know them. Dinner, movie, ect.
All depends on my mood.
Granted that it does take time for the females to understand that point. That they can drop the sometimes "act" and be themselves and not worry about the sex part.
And some have asked if i were gay because of this!! Needed my translator to explain "No" he is not. I am as straight as an arrow!! ha ha ha!!
So.. there are pitfalls with my methods and madness!!! ha ha ha ha!!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:38 pm on Sep. 23, 2002
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MrJoe
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whether one agrees with his general view or the way he expresses it (which I just might) or not, chompoo has made some excellent points in his statements, and even more so in his questions.
ABC, I think I understand your feelings and I won't voice my disagreements because I think chompoo is grilling you enough and you don't reall y dserved to be gaged up on - your heart is clearly in the right place. May I just take one comment out of context, for the purposeof examination;
"I have not seen/met a female in Thailand at any establishment for my personal taste that is WORTH 10,000 a nig0ht. " (My emphasis)
How does this thinking fit in with your general veiw? Given your feelings about the whole thing, how do you determine someone's monetary value?
Don't get upset; it's a sincere question and I am not your enemy.
Now I WILL upset you. I think constantly and intentionally overpaying is foolish and condescending (without meaning to be.) I don't say it's doing any great harm, except maybe to your own experience. How, you say? Well I'm sure that the people you are paying love the money and see that you are nice guy, but with your translator handling your dealings and you being very liberal with money, how else do you think people's perception of you is affected?
I will let you consider this before I continue.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:59 pm on Sep. 23, 2002
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MrJoe
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ABC,
I wish I could take back my earlier post. What can I say? I had just woken up and was feeling grumpy. This is really none of my business. I would have deleted or amended my post but I think that would have been cowardly and dishonest.
The fact is that I don’t entirely disagree with you and as I’ve said before, I believe you mean well.
I just have a real problem with the money = nice= money theorem. The reasons off the top of my head are threefold (and may be obvious to some);
1.It ties kindness, generosity, and regard all to money.
2.It means the nicer you are the more you should spend. Well what about people (like me) who aren’t able to spend as much as you, but like to think of ourselves as nice guys too?
3.It turns you into a walking $ sign
You say: If we can afford to be generous, why not? Indeed, why not?
Again; I would really regret it if I hurt your feelings; More than that I would hate to offend my kind brethren who have the “right” attitudes and I would hate to be seen as on the side of the “bad” or cheap falangs. But there it is.
All of this is without much thought on a morning after a late night and without my second cup of coffee. Foprgive any errors or incosistencies.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:08 pm on Sep. 23, 2002
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ABC
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MrJoe:
No harm no foul!!
My entire point of the post was not to infer that the females are or not worth a certain amount and nor was it to establish some sort of monetary value for them.
I was just answering the question that was posed and 10,000 baht was the amount.
Now ....
If we take the 10,000 baht or $250's situation for a night of sex/pleasure/company/whatever floats your boat, then I have not met any such female in BKK that I would pay that amount for any of the above. Again, it's not like I go to BKK or even in the U.S and have to pay a female for her company. It's not a knock or a "flame" against anyone that does have to pay or choses to pay. To each his own.
Also in regards to the determining my levels of payment .. so to speak ....... right or wrong I use the going rate.
Example: The rates that BK has posted.
http://www.bangkoktonight.com/massage/poseidon.shtml
I know these are MP prices, but if the charge is that much for s/t then I can also use similar amount for l/t since the establishment is not taking their cut. For other prices such as Go Go and g-club, I use similar standards. What the club normally charges.
Now ... again I said that nothing is written in stone. I will not pay a go go female 5,000 baht for an evening. But again, I will not pay a top model from an MP 1,000 baht for an evening either.
The female is free to ask her price from me, if for some reason I do not want to pay it I just smile, say thanks and move on. For me, it keeps everyone honest and happy.
One more thing, I am very selective on who i take or chose not to take out. So, I do not normally just settle for any female. If I do not see one that day or evening then no worries. I go back to the hotel room alone. I have no problems with that.
I really do not think that I am overpaying. I am just not paying the bargin basement price, that's all.
As for peoples perceptions of me, I am not sure how much money I spend has any bearing on that. It's not like I flaunt it and throw the money around. I am very private and discreet when paying or talking about money. If fact if we met for drinks, you might think of me as a little college kid with little to no money!! ha ha ha!! I find that being low key works well for me.
If you are talking about the female, then I am not sure what she thinks, but I am sure she feels some relief of not having to haggle. Again, my opinion.
NOt sure how you got the: money = nice= money theorem. Because that was not my message at all. Money has not bearing on how nice you are. Just because a person spends a little or a lot means nothing. It's how you treat the females.
But .... I will stop short there and say that when a person haggles to the bargin basement rate, I think that is saying some thing to the female that might translate to "not nice".
People that bargin to bring the price into what they want to spend I can understand.
It's the people that will bargin for the sake of trying to get it as low as possible. Either to brag about saving I got laid for x-amount, or just because they are cheap. Those people make me ... personally sick.
I think those people are the ones that are doing more harm then the people that might spend a little more. Again, my opinion.
I hope that makes sense??
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:39 pm on Sep. 23, 2002
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MrJoe
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Made sense to me ABC. I think!
I want to remind you that my point was about your whole post regarding how much you spend for everything not just girls.
I got the theorem from your post. (My interpretation and oversimplification,no doubt.) Read your post again with that in mind.
I agree that haggling does send a potentially ugly message and underpaying would do more damage than overpaying ever would.
I'm going to think about my reply regarding the perception thing. I want to be careful.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:58 pm on Sep. 23, 2002
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MrJoe
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I forgot to say that clearly you think that money DOES affect perception;That's what you've been saying for several posts now.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:00 am on Sep. 24, 2002
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ABC
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MrJoe:
I guess it's late, because I am alittle slow. Uh ... it's late for me, because it's 11:36pm. ha ha ha ha!!! Gotta get to bed soon to be able to work tomorrow.
Anyways ........
>I want to remind you that my point was >about your whole post regarding how >much you spend for everything not just >girls.
** Confused by that statement. I am not sure what else you are referrring to "everything". My post, if I was not clear was talking about what I "might" spend or pay them. Unless you are referring to the "tip" thing?? Which if so, even those #'s are not set in stone. I just did not want to get specific about everything. If not, then I will have to reread my posts tomorrow when I am wide awake.
Appologize for any misunderstandings now. Since I am in tired!! *smile*
Humm.....??? As for the perception issue, let me think??
Okay, upon further review, I guess that it is a perception issue. It's a perception issue to those of us who will not haggle down to the bottom rate because they do not want to spend the money. Meaning the people that do pay the going rate have a bad perception of those people that do haggle down to the bottom rate just because they do not want to spend the money.
In my opinon the preception issues stops there. Meaning, if you spend more you are no better then the people that pay the going rate. It's not a "spend more money thing". Spending more does not translate into a positive perception. I am NOT trying to say money = nice.
If that is the message others get, then I am sorry. I guess I have to work on my english skills. ha ha ha ha!!
G-night. The sandman calls my name ...... *yawn* (oh excuse me. sorry.)
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:32 am on Sep. 24, 2002
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thaiprivateeye
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- as they say, everyone [ male or female ] has their price .... I once took a Guy to a well known Nightspot, he wanted the singer, right or wrong, money was no object - the deal was done, 50,000 bt - I asked him afterwards if it was worth it, he said not really, but he just had to go there, and money was not an issure for him - similar thing does happen with wealthy Thais, remember a case in point a few years ago where a Miss Nakhon Ratchasima was considering her options, a well known man about town had offered a 10 million dowry, a local MP doubled it .... this was all carried in the Thai rath newspaper, and yes, she went for the MP ! T I T
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:49 am on Sep. 24, 2002
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MrJoe
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Briefly: This is some of "the everything" I posted about:
"If the bill was 65 baht for a restaurant and the service was good, then I'd pull out 165 and I would not ask for any change. If the service was okay, then I'd pull out 100 or 120 and not ask for any change.
If a taxi ride was 65 baht, then I'd either pull out 100 or 120 and not ask for any change."
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:54 am on Sep. 24, 2002
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MrJoe
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JJ,
Original? In that case I would say that it is some of the best writing I have read in this forum.
All that anti-intellectual posing! You are hiding from us aren't you! You're actually a nerdy guy in glasses who spends all hjis time reading and at the computer! (No this does not describe me; I don't wear glasses.)
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:58 am on Sep. 24, 2002
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