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NEP
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Well can't stop the story here can I...
Actually story is not finished yet, I'm at home now, and she is waiting me there. If I can, I plan to go back asap for short stay. Next summer(don't want her be shocked with scandinavian winter o) I'd like her to come here for 2-3months...or longer.
Anyway I'm not getting married right now, maybe later. I told her I want her to come here before we talk about marriage etc. In Thailand have very nice time, but the real test would be in farangland, right.
She says she is waiting for me now, I believe. When I was in los this last time, I stay only with her. Sorry guys, 555.
I met her parents and sister(and about 1500 cousins who came too). No money asked.
She showed me her both bank books.
It turned out that she had started bg earlier than told before. -she says that she waited for one guy and was not bg'ing in between. Hmh
She also had told me some bs about money.
Nice to see her bank account how long that money lasted...I tell you not long! Nice to spend money with friends, bying things, going to disco etc. She also had to borrow gold from one friend to loan her sister 3000 baht for abortion, her father paid rest.(this I don't know if thruth, but I think is). I was pretty angry to pay for something that a MARRIED Thai man had done)
So I ended up giving her 11-12K when I left. Large amount of this going straight to rent and pay back for friends. I think she had something like 3-5K after paying everything.
I also told her I will not give her money in atleast 2 months! Because of my financial situation(+testing her: ultimate bg test? +I think she just spends it sooo carelessly to vain things, hehe.)
So 6000/month was not enough for her, but she had to borrow friends. Different thing sure if she would've been all time upcountry.
I think she lied about money because.....as you know many Thai people tell you exactly what they think you want to hear! This was also said to me from one guy married to a tg, and a friend that has had work connections with Thai.
I told her for now on I want to hear truth, now her bs/white lies-factor is much less. I can tell.
I understand also that "Only work bar 1 day" -story
After I come back home, she worked as cashier in a bar, but stopped after 2-3 weeks . Did not like job, and she knew I was worried little about if she...which I believe was not the case. Simply by talking with her. If call after work she's at "room". She's not a st girl really.
Now she works in factory! at BKK Stays with friend. I'm still not sending her money. (although I think she has borrowed some, but says mother send her)
I insisted talking with her friend, yes, she was there in the room. Also I called when she was working, sounds of factory are clear in the backround. Very long days this week, normally 9hours, this week few days 15! hours.
Not sure how long she stays there. First time she really works hard, poor little thing 
I had my doubts if this is true,asked her email password...and got it after couple of no's. Very easy hacking
I said before I would not like if she writes to old "friends".
After one month I left, she answered one month earlier email(to "friend") +sent couple of "what you do now?"-letters. Worst thing she says I miss you one time.
Not very big crime, I feel little annoyed though. I wonder if she changes her password soon, in the meantime I want to send contact list some messages or delete them..but I will not, that surely would not be nice, would it...
Infact it was a bit unfair to insist password anyway, which I feel little quilty about.
So story continues. At the moment I don't see any reason to use P.I. All I say it's not easy to stay 10hour flight away. + I think she is not a player, what would she be doing in a factory then.
Any comments? Yes, she has lied sometimes, but you'll have to understand that's the way bg/tg handles things many times. I can allow few little white lies, as long as she dont bg/freelance. Maybe I don't speak everything thruth allways either.
Be gentle with your comments, please  )
Nep
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:18 pm on Oct. 17, 2003
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mm3
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Sounds like you don't trust her and you have a problem with her being a BG (or former BG). If you think these issues bother you now, it will only get worse over time. Perhaps you should really think this through before you go any further.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:59 pm on Oct. 17, 2003
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Minder
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NEP. Doesn't sound that way to me - you know she was a BG you are aware of the worst cases of them and you want to keep your guard up - makes sense to me. Go for it.
Just don't lose sight of the fact that SHE is also going out on a limb here. You pull the pin on the deal and she has wasted a lot of her prime "shelf life". And she can't get that back and she knows it.
And the last piece of advice from "Dear Minder" is not to forget that this is a 21 year old kid that we are talking about - if she didn't do something stupid every so often then I really would be worried!!
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:04 am on Oct. 18, 2003
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mokewen
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IMHO - don't think this is going to get any better!
Nothing personal intended - but I get depressed reading your posts and putting myself in your shoes. What must be going through your mind everytime you think about her - and how often is that? - 
And you are not even married yet. The early years, before the honeymoon is over, are many times - the best! You really don't want to go downhill from here!
Once a person initially forms a jugement about someone, it's a bitch to change it - just read some of the "loving" posts between brothers on the BTF. Seems like some of them have been flaming forever.
Remember, this the love of your life you are talking about marrying!
Would advise would you give if this were one of your mates?
makes up their
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:51 pm on Oct. 18, 2003
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NEP
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Oh well, I think I must read what I said. Yeah, maybe I'm somewhat confused baby...
Mokewen, I don't know what I would tell my friend.
WTF is BTF? bar tender forum? Thank you for comments even though I dont like them so much
You have to note what forum this is and circumstances I'm having now. Circumstances are far away now.
MM3, No, I don't have (big) problem with bg background, I have thought about it surely. Who could say it's 100% ok for him...
Not allways something you write is equal to something you think. I believe writing previous post had something to do with clearing my thoughts, make something written. I had much longer post, but decided not to say everything.
Minder, you make good points there, which I have...been thinking before. I believe I'm having too much guards up though.
There are some negative consequences with reading these forums relationshipwise and trustwise. Nobody wants to be fool, but maybe it would be better sometimes for me to be more fool. Let it flow, don't think. My problem is sometimes too much thinking, tonight drinking.
Another victim of g...whatever
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 12:58 am on Oct. 19, 2003
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mokewen
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NEP -
BTF = Bangkok Tonight Forum!
Hang in Brother NEP and just let some time pass. These types of "life challenges" have a way of working themselves out if you do not act hastily........
Just listen to your instincts amd don't mentally argue with them. They know you real well and will always let you know what is best for you! It's their comments you don't like to hear..............
I think you need a near-term trip to BKK or Pattaya just for yourself. Have fun, don't think about anything except yourself; and review the situation after you get back to the cold country!
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:58 am on Oct. 19, 2003
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Jazzmusicman
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interested in money. I have helped her family, all of them, and her many times. She has also conned me out of money. She is not a bargirl, she works in a shopping mall selling womens clothes. She got me to get involved with her in a business of lending money to all the other girls who work in the shopping mall. They borrow money and pay 15% interest every month. She ÒpushedÓ me into putting out more and more money until ÒweÓ had lent out 100,00 baht. Then she came to me and said Ònow this is my business, I need this interest money for my family. I want to buy my mom a new house in Buri Ram.Ó I asked her to give the money back because if she just takes it, it is stealing, and how can you steal from someone you love? She said ÒI&' m not taking your money, I&' m borrowing it and I will give it back to you someday. I kicked her out of the house and she was very upset. She called me every week, maybe 5 times a week saying ÒI love you and want to come back to stay with you.Ó I said no! and tried not to talk to her anymore. The phone calls continued for the next 3 months. Then she showed up at my door about a month ago. She was crying so much, and she gave me 20,000 baht. She said she would give me back money every month. She begged me to give her another chance for me to trust her. She said she knows maybe she did something wrong, but she needs the money for the family, but she also loves me and wants to stay with me. I gave in, or should I say, caved in, and let her come to stay with me again.
Now she is pushing me to get married, but she says I must pay her family 100,000 baht. I said I think that is too much, but she says it has to be 100,000, that is "Thai Culture", and any less amount will cause her friends and her families friends in Buri Ram to laugh at them and think I am too cheap. My first thought is to say goodby....but I do care for her.
Any thoughts?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:43 pm on Oct. 19, 2003
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Jazzmusicman
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Thanks mm3. Lot's of good info there. I have a lot to think about.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:58 am on Oct. 20, 2003
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Ringwormer
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Just in comparison.
My gf in US thinks an 1.5 carat , vvs1, ideal cut, etc, engagement ring ($8000 USD/ 320,000 baht) is sufficient present.
Then she wants a nice wedding on a yaht. Rental is gong to be $1500/hr, 3 hours minimum (180,000 baht).
Let's not talk about honeymoons.
Those are just one time payments. The biggest things is afterward she owns half of everything. And in US, as you know the divorce laws heavily favors femals.
The question I ask is, what can a girl in US provide me that a TG cannot?
Better english? No sick waterbuffalos?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:55 pm on Oct. 23, 2003
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