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Packripper
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Agree with ABC, never again.
Tried it (locally, not from overseas) and it was really fun for the first 4-5 months. Then went to hell in a hand basket in the 6th month. Idle hands are the devil's handy work.
Now I just stick with the local custom of 2-72 hour girlfriends and out. Sometimes I have a relapse but fortunately I'm under constant therapy.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:56 pm on Jan. 8, 2003
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phiijames
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I have done it twice, and I would do it again. ðActually, I wouldn't use the word "sponsorship"; I would tend to describe it more as having a girlfriend to whom I gave a monthly allowance.
First case was about four years ago. ðShe was working as a DJ in a Soi 33 bar. She had had her own business, which failed when a customer bounced a cheque on her, leaving her with large debts. ð She was quite non-BG like, polite, well-spoken, conservatively dressed. ð She was working purely for drinks and didn't go with customers. It took several months before she slept with me. ðAt the time I first knew her, she had finished Mor 3 (i.e. 3 years of high school). ðI gave her an allowance of 15,000 baht a month. ð She started on the long path to getting a degree: at first, she did Gor Sor Nor to finish high school and simultaneously studied at Ramkamhaeng as a non-degree student; after getting her high school certificate, she then became a regular student at Ram; she also studied at AUA. I was living in Bangkok, so we saw each other frequently. ð We broke up after nine months, mostly because I was getting bored. ðI gave her a wodge of cash when we broke up, so that she would have some hope of finishing her degree. ð A couple of months ago, she rang me up out of the blue to tell me she had finished her degree; that really made my day; she is working in a day job as a secretary.
Second case was about two years ago. ðShe was working in a upscale member club as a hostess. ðShe was making 30-40,000 baht a month without sleeping with anybody. ðShe had put herself through Por Wor Sor (two years vocational college). ðI gave her 20,000 month. ðShe started studying at a private University to get a degree in hotel management. ð We split up a few months ago for a variety of reasons (not through any fault of hers). ðI also gave her a wodge of cash, so that she could finish her degree. ðI think she will do fine. ð For her 3 month work experience, she managed to get accepted at a 5-star hotel and that seemed to go well, so I think she will be able to get a good job when she graduates.
In both cases, I enjoyed good times with them when we were together, and I think I have helped both of them put their lives on a better track. ð I think the important things are
- choose the right girl; I wouldn't do this with a girl whoðI thought was sleeping with customers for money on a regular basis
- make sure the girl does something useful with her time (eg study for a degree)
- live locally and spend time together
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:13 pm on Jan. 8, 2003
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phiijames
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I don't think 20,000 baht/month is excessive. ðAlthough it's much more than the average wage, it's a reasonable amount to enable a comfortable, pleasant lifestyle. If you're giving money to a girl, then presumably you like them, and want them to have a pleasant lifestyle. ðSure it's possible to live in Bangkok on 10,000, but it's a pretty frugal existence.
20,000 is what ðit takes to
- have a decent one-room apartment in a reasonable area
- use a mobile phone
- take taxis
- eat what you want
- send a modest amount of money home
- buy clothes/cosmetics from time to time
- go out from time to time
without having to scrimp and save all the time.
Another thing is that it's very hard for anybody (not just BGs) who has been living a lifestyle that costs X baht to suddenly adapt to a lifestyle that costs X/2 baht.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:24 pm on Jan. 8, 2003
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Chompoo
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Another reason why paying a premium over a "fair" wage is that since you have an exclusive relationship with the girl you are preventing her from getting involved with someone else who could give her a real potential long-term relationship. Hopefully that money will be saved or put to good use (i.e. education or investment) and will ensure her life after you is a little better.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:58 pm on Jan. 9, 2003
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Ballsburstin
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phiijames ,
I think you've stated my own thoughts (in more detail) about the sponsorship thing quite well. Since my TGF sends a chunk of her cash home every month, in reality she lives on much less than I give her.
Several things are important for any of this to succeed:
1) Where is the sponsor in his/her own life, and are they ready for a long term (possibly lifelong) committment? After all, that's generally the point of this kind of situtation.
2) Pick the right lady (hard to do, even if you are "sure" about her). In my case, my TGF's parents and sisters were never happy about her decision to work as a go-go girl, particularly her dad, and this always weighed heavily on her mind. She also doesn't drink, smoke, gamble, do drugs.
3) "Idle hands are the devil's playthings." If she's not going to school, or moving her life/career forward in some meaningful way, you're probably wasting your time and money (not to mention the emotional energy).
4) Insist on results (a very non-Thai thing). When I get pedantic about school, etc., she will smile and say "yes, dad!" That usually pulls me up short, but it reminds me that she is listening and doing the best she can.
5) Give her some room. My TGF has considered several job related things while pursuing her GED, and I have encouraged this. Most recently, she was approached to work as a waitress at a major hotel, because she has poise and speaks relatively good English now. And, no, I won't tell the rest of you horn dogs WHICH hotel! 
6) Keep your expectations reasonable. And be prepared to end things when they aren't working. I think the exit strategy phiijames has used was beneficial to all, and I am happy to hear that the ladies he's known are doing well. My best to them.
7) If you find yourself in the end game, e.g., she's finished school, got a job, speaks English and you speak Thai, can accept some of the obligations from a different culture, and you're still happy and loving each other, then marry her. After all, wasn't it all about this to begin with?
- Balls
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:26 pm on Jan. 9, 2003
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lovepygmy
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Peace at last!
Finally reading posts that echo my sentiments and give me some empathy with other board members. It is a little frustrating to hear the same line of comments, be it 'how cheaply I can get a girl', 'how big my penis is and how much the girls love it' or 'give me the name and number of the last girl you had sex with because I can't be arsed to do any of the social niceties myself'.
Do we recognise these multiple posters?
Gratifying to read posts from honourable members, most of whom I suspect live here.
Thanks for giving me a sense of peace.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:48 am on Jan. 11, 2003
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BoomARang
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lovepygmy - 'how cheaply I can get a girl', 'how big my penis is and how much the girls love it', 'give me the name and number of the last girl you had sex with because I can't be arsed to do any of the social niceties myself'
Well, I can get girls for free because they love my big penis so much but I'm such an asshole that they get cheesed off after the first night so can anyone give me phone numbers of their favorite women?
Truth be told, I have to tie a blue string around it so I can tell it from the rest of the pubes down there and I would shave to make it easier to find but I'm afraid I would slip and take the blue string and all! ;)
Seriously though, this has been quite the impressive thread, the likes of which I have never seen on any of the boards pertaining to Thailand that I have seen.
Basically, from a compilation of all the various posts, its seems;
1. Pick the right woman.
2. Support an improvement in her life as opposed to a maintenance of her lifestyle.
3. Set goals and make sure they are met.
4. There are countless charities in Thailand that could benifit from money that has been wasted on women that either didn't deserve it or did nothing with it.
The last one, #4, is just one I slipped in there. THB 8,000 is enough for a one months supply of the HAART cocktail to help keep a child who is HIV positive alive that much longer. If one wants to assuage one's guilt or be a Knight in Shining Armor, I know a number of organizations in Thailand that could use any help they can get whether they be HIV related or just orphanages.
But, "honourable members"? Don't include me in that group, with my Kharmic debt, I'd have to speed up just to reach a stop! ;) 
Ichi
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:43 am on Jan. 12, 2003
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MX31
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Reality check guys. Okay, who here believes that you leave BKK, send money back to "your" Thai girl here in Thailand, and she stops working at the bar and having sex with other guys???
My male friends and I who live here in BKK have a term for you guys to learn. We call it "house sitting." While you guys are back in your home country sending her money here, we are having sex with "your" girls and they are spending your money on us.
"You pay the rent (the girl) and we live in your house" is the joke. Sad, but true. We all are in our 20's and 30's, work or have businesses here in BKK, and speak a relatively decent amount of Thai. You guys are usually older and totally naive about what is going on or in denial. Don't say you don't care that she is spending you money on us and sleeping with us, you just can't do anything about it. We even sometimes write her emails to you for her. We know how to write like a Thai girl in broken English, it is real easy (I miss you too much darling) and these girls laugh when they make fun of you. These girls are just a lot for fun for us and for the most part, they seek us out at clubs or other places. They see us as fun, knowledgeable about local custom and language, and often younger than the "sponsor" in most situations. The girls joke about how we know too much about how BKK works (......not good, you know too much!)
So, you send her money so you can have a companion every two or three months that you come here, what a waste of money. Go to a popular Internet cafe like the one in Patpong by Surawong road (about 100 meters form KFC, same side) and see the entire cafe full of girls sending "hello darling" emails.
Guys, do not send these girls a penny (baht). If they do this to you then they are not worth it. These girls are sharks and very good at it.
Bottom line, they will not quit what and who they are. Twenty some years of Thai cultural programming is not going to change because some farang waltzes into her life one day.
You can hate what I am writing but in a place that does not value honesty or integrity unless it makes you a buck, reality often sucks.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:05 am on Jan. 16, 2003
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Robert lomax
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Well said dear boy,
somtimes the truth hurts. I know a girl who takes ME out to dinner when she gets her monthly sponcership or that should be 'shipS' and she gives the rest to her friends.
I can't remember the amount of times I've been told 'yea but this one is different' then they have a good laugh when the bloke flies home, and good luck to the girls for doing this I say.
They are very good at making any man at any moment in time, feel like he is the only one. This is all very good buisness sense for them and it works bloody well.
The bottom line is come the Thailand and have a bloody good time and a bloody good laugh with these girls then go home and remember it as that, a bloody good time.
Or fall in love first time and send loards of money, cause there are loads of people here who will spend it!!
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:31 am on Jan. 16, 2003
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Packripper
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Don't feel bad fogies. There are plenty of young people who fall head over heels over wallet over email also. You'd be surprised (or not) at the number of English teachers here who end up with bar girls and pretty much end up locked in a life with a prostitute, someone else's children, their children, and trying to support everyone (some of her relatives included) for 30-50 k Baht a month with "How are you? I am fine. How is work? It is fine" dreams for the rest of their lives.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:21 pm on Jan. 16, 2003
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