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MrJoe
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cmore,
I tried to wait for another brother to respond first but here goes; I respect your ethics and admire (with reservation) your certainty about thier correctness, but I dare say that was a really sanctimonious post from you.
Since when is there only one way to behave in these circumstances? If indeed a person treats a BG with comensurate respesct and honestly, whose to say what the parameters of the relationship should be or how far someone's generousity should extend (or what forms it should take)?
I think it will be great if Ms. Pen gets a pair of shoes out of the deal but I wonder what else it is excatly that you will accomplish with this noble gesture? (I'm sure that you will say that it isn't relevant but I'm curious as to what you think Ms. Pen will think of you and your action?)
You know my views on the delight and/or danger of looking for love in LOS; We may disagree on the likliehood of success but we agree that it is possible. I too would probably do things differently than BigD. Nonetheless be careful of thinking that because you are ready to give a (probably well deserved) chance to your TG, that you are in a morally superior position to the more cynical brothers and are thus qualified to lecture them on proper conduct.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:45 am on Sep. 17, 2002
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BigDUSA
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cmore,
Once again interesting, thought provoking message. I'm the father of a teenage daughter. Long ago I decided to set the example at home. I don't smoke, drink or f_ck when I'm around her. A couple of times a year, I'm able to get away to LOS. If I wanted romance I could find it in the US and I wouldn't have to pay for it.
The g/f experience and keeping it on the level of a business arrangment is not mutually exclusive. I like the give and take, I have with the girls, walking down the street shooting the breeze going around to see the sites with a pretty girl. What's not to like? BUT here the rub, I'm 55 y/o bearded, balding with a pot belly, why would a women who's between the ages of 20-37 who a complete stranger, speaks limited english for the most part.( Ms Pen an exception) be interested in as the girls call guys my age grandfather. Get real guys, their interested in my MONEY. Fair enough. I understand what their looking for. I'm willing to trade money and their willing to trade their time and body. Fair exchange between 2 adults. Romance? In over 90% of the time the girls only interested in your money. That's why their in BUSINESS.
I told Ms Pen before we went shopping I would buy her 1 pair of walking shoes it was my idea to buy her shoes, she never complained about her feet. But I knew bar shoes had to hurt. I lived up to what I told her, I would do. When you go to the Kanagroo Bar tell her I will see her in a couple of weeks. I will report her reaction on you comming in and giving her 500 baht. You told everone on this board your going to see her. I hope your a man of your word and follow thru on what you said!
The girls that have come back for round 2,3 etc come from different places not just as you say bj bars. I don't look down on the girls no matter where they work. What they do for a living puts food on their table. It dosen't define the person they are.
IMHO, I havent tried to save face or am I doing back flips. If you find my writing useful, ok by me. If you don't ok by me. I offer one man's view of Thailand. No more, no less.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 1:26 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
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sandiegon
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I found a another way to enjoy my time in bKK. I spend 2 hours everyday on bangkokchat room and always end up picking a some 19 to 22 years old office or working girl. Buy her a drink and dinner and then hotel.. If she is no good in bed then I go out later and find a pro to spend 1500 bath for l/t. But 75% of the time I get away with less than 500 bath for nice 5 to 6 hours session. Well So far this worked for me......
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:43 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
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Chompoo
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cmore, you seem to be looking for some reaction to your post, so here is mine.
MrJoe nailed it when he called you sanctimonious. ÝI'll throw in judgemental, hypocritical and nonsensical too. ÝYou have no right to tell BigD how to spend his money and whether he is being generous enough. ÝIt's been hard to read through all your posts, but it seems that you've accused him of disrespecting the girls by paying too little and then accused him of the crime of going with girls who weren't very attractive (by your standards) and also seemingly criticized him for travelling when rates are cheap!
To cap it off you seem bent on finding minor discrepancies in BigD's words that prove, what exactly? ÝI haven't read all of BigD's posts, but he's been very straightforward and honest as far as I can tell. ÝHe is a guy who comes to Thailand for the relatively cheap companionship, which for him includes sex and the GFE. ÝTo you the GFE means you have to have some soulful interaction and apparently take financial responsibility for the girl. ÝTo BigD, me and many others it just means that for the hour, day or week you are with the girl, you maintain the FANTASY of the BF/GF relationship. ÝYou kiss, hold hands, dine, frolic on the beach, call each other tirac ....; as opposed to the non-GFE which is just quick and dirty sex which you can find in Nevada, Amsterdam, ....
So go find Pen and give her the 500B like you promised. ÝWhile you're there give 500B to each and every BG, because the majority have similar tales of woe. ÝIn fact, why go to the bars at all since there are far more poor and miserable in Thailand and the rest of SE Asia that need your help. ÝWhen you've given away all your money, and have to live like the truly destitute people in Thailand, then I'll take your sanctimonious stance seriously.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 6:14 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
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Chompoo
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BigD, Mykal, et al.,
There's a market for guys who want to pay 500B or even 300B. If you are happy with what you get for that price, then good for you. Guys who abuse the system and cheat the girls deserve criticism, you guys do not.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:17 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
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Chompoo
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By the way the "up to you" ploy is an attempt by the BG to go fishing for a newbie sucker. Don't accept that as a license to be cheap, though; a scene will result.
I had to comment on this. ÝI always pay what I think is fair in this situation, but I don't have much pity for a ripoff artist getting a taste of her own medicine.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:27 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
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BigDUSA
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Chompoo,
You would be surprized at the quality and quanity of the girls who are more then willing to go for the price we agree on. If I had alot of turn downs, I would increase my offer.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:16 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
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chateaujade
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There's a 'market' for guys who want to trawl along behind the interior ministry or on Sanam Luang for the 125 baht girls, too.
If you keep working your way down the price scale, there's a 'market' for guys who want to turn over rocks and find a snake to f_ck in the mouth if they have a buddy handy to keep the jaws pried apart.
You cheap motherf_ckers are disgusting. You'd rather skimp on a few baht than anything else. ÝAnd the cold, dehumanizing stances you take about the girls are equally appalling. Mykal the haggler for 'goods' being the worst case, but quite a number of you are right there behind him apparently.
You have no hearts, you have no souls, or else you leave them in a locker at Don Muang and pick them up again on your way out.
WANKERS!
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:05 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
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chateaujade
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And let me further elaborate:
Some of you seem to despise Thai women (and maybe all women) as whores, hookers, etc. It must be a particularly loathsome habit to constantly (or periodically for you tourists) consorting with women you detest for the purpose of paying them for some rutting. No wonder you then idle away your time calling them names on boards like this to the apparent applause of like minded semi-conscious evolutionary throwbacks.
Others and I include myself, find Thai bar girls etc., delightful companions totally devoid of the sordidness of the pale, bloated druggie whores of the USA or Europe, and apparently we are many and you are few, or else you would have infected Thai nightlife girls with the reflection of your own loathing of them, and they would loathe you back, and Bangkok would become just as dreary a place as what we all left behind -- permanently or temporarily. And that would be a tragedy.
It looks as though it is not the longstay resident expats like myself who are playing this silly "haggle down from the lowest going rate" game but the transients like mykal. OK. If that's your idea of a fun holiday, Bangkok and the BGs can stand a week or 10 days of your irksome presences, even more easily if you piss off to Pattaya which is a place created in your own images.
You can, for your alloted times, engage in activities you lament, with girls (or boys) that disgust you apparently and that you hold to be subhuman and unworthy of even a modicum of civilized treatment -- after all they are just whores and hookers and Asian ones at that, isn't that the way you see it?
Obviously some of you need a wake up call. The above is not only repulsive and reprehensible, it is also NOT FUN, or if you find it to be fun you are a whole lot more twisted than I am.
Thailand is a popular destination for single men because Thai nightlife girls are FUN. They are NOT commodities, "goods" as asshole Mykal put it, pieces of meat, they aren't there to be simply shagged and shucked.
You don't HAVE to romanticize the matter, you don't HAVE to be "seeking the girlfriend experience" and you are perfectly free to be as casual and cavalier and so on as you prefer, and butterfly till your peckers putrify, but none of that is a license to treat anyone, and especially the ladies, like shit. Go back and read your posts, so called brothers (because I do not hold some of you to even be of the same species as myself) and then explain why all that negativity is so obvious where the ladies are concerned. If you hate them so much why are you coming here to spend time with them? Do you revel in degradation? You can't spend your time cheapening other human beings without ultimately and irrevocably cheapening yourselves, you know?
Don't call me a moralist, I run a dungeon in my retirement after spending a lifetime peddling engines of destruction for a (very good) living. I'm as cynical a person as walks on this planet, but, I must say, it is disquieting to see you people bare your thoughts and expose all that putrefication to the wholesome air and sunlight. There are maggots gnawing at your centers and vitals.
Thai working girls don't deserve to be so disrespected, not by a long shot. They are precious pleasure-giving and positive. If they weren't you'd be calling escort services up in L.A. or god help you NYC. You wouldn't have to fly 18-24-20 hours to come here and take Thai women.
My hat is off to those of us who have stood up for the ladies against this onslaught from the legions of losers.
I don't have to name names, you know who you are, on both sides of the aisles.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 12:27 am on Sep. 18, 2002
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MrJoe
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Actually, call me obtuse but I don't know which side of the aisle you see me on, chateau. Not that it really matters what you think of me,just as you are not overly concerned with my opinion of you- but I would prefer if no one thought that I don't respect Thai women or despise them. Long before I met my wife, I was in the habit of defending TG's (sometimes even to the point of physical confrontation) honor.
For the record I would like to clarify that my objection was to cmore's post and for the specific reasons (I tried) to point out. As I have said on other threads, I agree wholeheartedly with your veiw on the "bean counter" mentality. I especially appreciate your observation that people who denigrate the TGs and yet spend a lot of thier time/money pursuing them are truly the disgusting ones. I've said so myself previously.
I have no dog in this race; I am not a customer of that industry and I never really was. (That is a whole 'nother sin on my part-for many years I enjoyed the opportunity for lots of free sex(except for meals,drinks,gifts etc)- was I exploiting the situation? Some would say so.)
If any of that merits being called a wanker then I cheerily say "Same to ya, pal!"
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:49 am on Sep. 18, 2002
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