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I will tell you what really pisses me off. For example Great American Ribs. They hit you with some stratospheric prices, nail you 15% on top of that & then have the gall to VAT you 7% on top of the gross.
If that is European culture you can keep it.
Tips are tips. Read discretionary. I avoid places that whack a service charge on top. Service charge = bullshit.
Mister lurking virgin - don't try & tell others what is an appropriate tip. It varies.
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Posted on: 3:48 am on May 6, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Since Broken Leg called me a Redneck, I am perfectly in my rights to call him a fascist. I think he is from of one of these northern European “Arian” countries.
I tip according to the standards of this forum and most other farangs, and do not encourage excessive tipping. That means 500 baht for good service at a soapy, and nothing beyond the “special” charges at an oily (1500 for FS).
Tipping in the US is not cultural. It is just a way of doing business. You can pay for the service with increased menu prices like they do in Europe (although at some restaurants I went to in Europe there was a “service charge” added to the bill) or you can leave it up to each customer to determine how much service charge to pay (this keeps the waiters/waitresses on their feet). In the end, it all comes out the same, it is just a different way of paying people.
Many jobs in the US pay their workers based on commissions and bonuses. Some of the biggest US corporations pay about 10% percent bonuses on average to all their employees, depending on how well the company does, and the performance rating of the employee. I am talking about ALL the employees of the company, down to the lowest clerical staff, that get this bonus from many US companies. In addition, many companies grant stock or stock options, whose value is determined by how well the company does.
So if you say that the US tends to pay for “performance” and other countries tend to pay the same to everyone, then maybe you are right. But in the end, Americans don’t like to pay more in total than others, they just like pay a lower fixed amount and then pay some variable amount (like a tip) depending on how good the service is.
I have no idea what you are talking about when you mention service charges at hotels and tipping for sex. In the US, we don’t pay a service charge at hotels. If we need someone to carry up our luggage, we pay about $1 per bag. Many hotels have no one to help with luggage, even if you wanted it. Some people leave a small tip (few dollars) for the maid, but I rarely do that. No other tipping is usually paid at a hotel (except for meals in the hotel restaurants) so the amount of tips is far less than 10% of the room rate on average.
Actually, Americans pay far less for service than most other countries, because many things are self-service and many items are purchased on the internet and many transactions are done by computers instead of with live people.
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Posted on: 4:05 am on May 6, 2005
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 3:59 pm on May 6, 2005
It is just a way of doing business.
In the end, it all comes out the same, it is just a different way of paying people.
I'm glad you said it, because that is a perfect example of a cultural difference. Which is just the tiny and simple point that I suggested might be worth considering all those pages ago. 
Anyway Mr Alan, you shouldn’t really get so upset at being called a redneck, when you say that I’m a socialist because the UK is a socialist country as it’s part of the EU and that workers in the EU don’t gets fair wages and then suddenly I’ve become a fascist. Make up your mind. 
Then you tell us US employees actually get bonuses and share options and some are even on commision schemes – ridiculous, I’ve never heard of such an absurd scenario. 
Anyway as it's getting boring now just to clarify I don’t actually care whether anyone tips or not.
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Posted on: 4:51 am on May 6, 2005
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Autosweep
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Someone once told me that TIPS is and acronym.
To
Insure
Prompt
Service
Hasn't this topic been beaten to death?
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Posted on: 10:48 am on May 6, 2005
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Basher
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I was told culturally Thais don't tip, we f***ed it up as tourists....
Bash
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Posted on: 11:18 am on May 6, 2005
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If the girl is very good then tip well you will be rewarded when you see her again. Forget about what factory workers receive etc. In addition to their low salary they also get free lunches and some kind of social security etc. The girls in the MP are "forced" to spread their legs for whoever pays.
Boost the Thai economy and tip well.
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Posted on: 11:28 am on May 6, 2005
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Mr Alan
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I don't think Americans tip more than average in MP's. It is the Japanese who tip too much and cause problems for the rest of us.
Americans will gladly conform to the rules if they are explained to them. If you tell an American that no tipping is required because there is already a 10% service charge, or the full price of service is already included, they will gladly accept that without any hesitation.
As I said before, many Americans go to great lengths to do business in the USA at places that don't require tipping. Tipping is not really something that is deeply ingrained in them, especially when it is not necessary.
The main reason it seems like Americans tip a lot in LOS has to do with the great difference in the average income in the two countries. What seems like a lot to a Thai, is pocket change in the US.
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Posted on: 1:35 pm on May 6, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Hugh Jardon on 1:43 am on May 6, 2005
The tipping culture in USA is justified by argument that the people tipped are typically low paid (so American service industry employers are cheapskates, eh?)
Actually it is the other way around. Employees who get big tips get paid a lower salary.
A stripper (offically waitress) in a topless night club gets paid about $1 per hour. That is becasue they can make about $300- $500 per day in tips.
A waiter at a high-end restaurant (average cover $50) might make $2 per hour, because they also make huge tips (18% of the total bill on average).
A waitress at Denny's (average bill $5) probably makes $6-$7 per hour in salary (plus tips).
Anyone whose salary is less than the allowed minimum wage (about $7 per hour) must "declare" the difference as tips received. People who recieve tips do not declare (and do not pay income taxes) on their cash tips that are not declared (they now have to declare credit card tips in most cases).
As I said before, in EU, the cost of service is included in the final bill, so it is not free. The cost of almost everything is higher in the EU compared to the US, partly because of this.
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Posted on: 2:01 pm on May 6, 2005
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I agree with BrokenLeg.
Mr Alan, you cannot deny that most yanks tip WHATEVER the standard of service. It's like you guys think people will think less of you for not tipping!
I remember this one time I was dining with my principal at Lemongrass restaurant ( his treat!) which as some of you may know is a very nice joint. On this particular nite, the sevice was painfully slow. The table next to ours waited over an hour for their meal and then when their meal came the order was wrong. I heard them bitch throughout their meal yet when they left they left a tip of 800b! even the waiter / owner was surprised as I heard them joking in thai!
Needless to say, the over-tippers were American!
Gentlemen, as BL, HJ, Basher et al are trying to point out, one should only tip for excellent service...
anything else is just OTT.
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Posted on: 2:49 pm on May 6, 2005
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Its very true that Thai local customers to massage do not tip or at most up to 200 level. I have many Thai friends and they are much richer than our typical rich people in Nederlands or other EU countries. But even to these rich thais only exceptioal experience, they will give out a tip normally of 100-200 bahts.
So why should so many of foriegn customers would over tip them up to 5 times of local standard. Still I believe tipping is a extra reward to a service and it should not be something that is bigger than their already well paid job.
From my observation, many older Americans, Aussie or Canandians over tip. Because they are from a more conservative culture and take sex more heavily and somehow get more emotionally fallen even for a prostitute who show them 2 hours of passion and these guys forget its only a simple business transection.
Sexual transection in Thailand is the same as any other kind of service transection. It should not be taken too emotioanlly and then pay the girls again out of your physical satisfaction. It should be treated as you have a great meal and paid 1000 for the meal and also your waitress service was great and you gave her extra 100-200.
Its the same principle here. Sex service is the same as any other kind of service industries in Thailand. If you are from more conservative countries like US ect, you may feel sex service is more emotionall then deserve more tips. Thats a mistaken concept, at least the working girls do not think so, to them its only another horny guy paying for 2 hours of sexual favor. So the buyers should feel its only another service job just like getting your car lubricated. If the mechanic do a great job then tip him a few Euros. Same concept. Do not get emotionally fallen to these Thai working girls. Tip them accordingly to local standard. Best for all people.
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Posted on: 3:14 pm on May 6, 2005
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