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I find it difficult to understand why anybody is concerned about tipping, if was good then tip them what YOU feel is good. If it is not, then tell them and walk away. The amount is always up to you, there are no written rules, we may live in a world trying to be ruled by Americans but we do not have to be so ruled by there ideas of sevice. pay if its is good and there is no written amount.
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Posted on: 3:15 pm on May 7, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from jumpeee on 2:09 pm on May 7, 2005
I find it difficult to understand why anybody is concerned about tipping, if was good then tip them what YOU feel is good. If it is not, then tell them and walk away. The amount is always up to you, there are no written rules, we may live in a world trying to be ruled by Americans but we do not have to be so ruled by there ideas of sevice. pay if its is good and there is no written amount.
It's not about tipping, it about Americans. Anytime they think they can blame all the problems of the world on the USA, they start foaming at the mouth and can't restrain themselves. Of course, the fact that Japanese tip much more than Americans is of no relevance to them, because it upsets their "world view."
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Posted on: 3:30 pm on May 7, 2005
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My beleive is that in the last 18 months things have become much worst, because many Asian nations now no longer welcome Americans, they now use Bangkok as their centre, as a safety place. This means we have business men coming in from other Asian centres and America who have no idea, pay over the top, often of the rates, and it also makes looks them look good. Big country big tips, small understanding.
Sounds like American foreign policy and knowledge of the rest of the world.
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Posted on: 3:45 pm on May 7, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from jumpeee on 2:39 pm on May 7, 2005
My beleive is that in the last 18 months things have become much worst, because many Asian nations now no longer welcome Americans, they now use Bangkok as their centre, as a safety place. This means we have business men coming in from other Asian centres and America who have no idea, pay over the top, often of the rates, and it also makes looks them look good. Big country big tips, small understanding.
Sounds like American foreign policy and knowledge of the rest of the world.
Sounds like you are one sick puppy, full of lies and propoganda. There is no evidence for anything you said, including the claim that Americans tip more than others.
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Posted on: 4:22 pm on May 7, 2005
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One of the ways I learned about the local tipping culture, aside from online forums like this, was to let my TGF handle the bills at restaurants, etc. Since we appear to be a couple, she is often handed the bill, not me. So she pays out her wallet with my money and passes the money and bill back to the waitress or waiter. Then she leaves whatever change she thinks is appropriate. Usually the spare change coins, or if they have given the change as all coins, she will leave a portion of it. She usually leaves anywhere from 0 to 100 Baht. Nobody bats an eyelash.
As an Amerikan, used to tipping at restaurants where the waiters are paid less and make their money on tips (to deal with the cost of living in the USA), I was at first very uncomfortable with my TGF's tipping. This was an emotional reaction, not a rational one; she is tipping according to Thai standards. Even though I knew this to be the case, it was funny how my emotional response would almost get the better of me, lol. Of course, after a while, I started tipping the same as her, since I was thinking more in Baht that US greenbacks. When I got back to the State in January, and watched my dad tip a local waitress $30 for a big meal, I was appalled. Took a bit of retuning to get used to the Amerika model. Everyone at the table laughed at what a cheap charlie I'd become.
BTW, when dining at the New York Steakhouse in the Marriott sukhumvit (near NEP), we asked the waitress (who was a real stunner, I was drooling over her more than the steak) about how much of the surcharge she got as tips, she explained that the waitresses got none of that, it all went to the house. So I guess it either paid the rent for the joint to the Marriott as a pass-thru, or it was part of the bottom line for expenses on their spreadsheet. Nonetheless, that means that any tip you might want a waitress to get there would have to be given directly to her (wish she would take a "tip" for s/t, lol!).
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Posted on: 4:45 pm on May 7, 2005
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Quote: from Ballsburstin on 3:39 pm on May 7, 2005
Nonetheless, that means that any tip you might want a waitress to get there would have to be given directly to her
This is very typical. Many times in many restaurants in LOS, if it is left on the tray, it goes back to the house and NONE of it goes to the service staff. In many places, by leaving money on the tray as a 'tip', all you are doing is paying more to the restaurant for your meal, which is just a waste of money (IMO). I NEVER leave ANY money on the tray in a restaurant, I give anything I want to give directly to the server on my way out.
Sorry to take this off-topic, but this needs to be said.
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Posted on: 9:26 pm on May 7, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Ballsburstin on 3:39 pm on May 7, 2005
One of the ways I learned about the local tipping culture, aside from online forums like this, was to let my TGF handle the bills at restaurants, etc. Since we appear to be a couple, she is often handed the bill, not me. So she pays out her wallet with my money and passes the money and bill back to the waitress or waiter. Then she leaves whatever change she thinks is appropriate. Usually the spare change coins, or if they have given the change as all coins, she will leave a portion of it. She usually leaves anywhere from 0 to 100 Baht. Nobody bats an eyelash.
100 baht !!! Holy Shit. That is more than $2.50. I don't tip that much in the US. It amazes me that so many are complaining about American tipping when hotels in LOS (and some restaurants) add a 10% service charge on the bill. Americans don't pay an added service charge at hotels, and they don't tip anywhere near that amount at hotels. I rarely tip anyone at a hotel in the US.
BTW: This thread is about tipping at Soapy MP's, and as I said before, the reason Americans tip at Soapy's is because forums like this tell them to tip 500 baht on average. Amercians rarely tip for P4P in US, but even when they do it is not expected like in LOS.
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Posted on: 1:01 am on May 8, 2005
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My understanding is that the tip given in restaurants in LOS goes to a mutual "box", out of where it is shared among the workers at the end of the month. Might be wrong though.
I've just read through this whole thread and wrote some ideas that got to me. As Mr. Alan already said this topic was originally about tippings at soapys but since it has already gotten out of hand I might as well add what I have already written.
Mr. Alan. Tip is given by choise. You say it is not cultural because in Europe the tip is already in price. Well, you know what? Wouldn't it be the same thing then to leave without paying the full price than not to give a tip in Asia? If you refuse to pay the full price, you will get into trouble with the police. If you do not tip, that does not entitle anyone to call cops because you have not broken any law, as it would be with refusing to pay the price that is LISTED.
Reminds me of the opening scene in the movie Reservoir Dogs (by Tarantino). They are in a local U.S. dining/cafe place. They start to get prepaired for leaving and most of the guys are already taking out tips. One guy does not, and when asked about it he says: "I don't tip just for tipping, the service has to be special." If I remember right this guy was acted by Steve Buchemi. One guy burst laughing, saying: "Special?! What's special, a blowjob?"
He answered "I want her to refill my cup 6 times" etc.
As for where I live, the first cup costs the full price, the second cost 50% of the regular price (if you are lucky). Mostly you just have to pay the new price over and over again. If tipping gives you benefits then it sounds ok to me even here too. It's just that in Europe trying to tip is seen more as an contempt. You could here her say: "Are you trying to bye me, do you think I'm for sale?". It's not in our nature to tip. It does not automatically mean one is a cheap charley if he does not, he might be unaware or unthinkable.
While tipping should not be forgotten in the countries where it is expected one thing that bugs me are ppl who compensate their low self esteem (virtual penis?) buy giving extra big tips and then get happy from the "thank you stupid farang for overtipping smile".
Plus.. we could all discuss about the tipping in fairness if we all would have the same income/bank account. Some just don't seem to understand that difference.
This tipping dilemma has risen in many threads and there is no one way to see it. Most of us don't know each others nor the reasons behind our decisions. We should try to understand each others and not go out to provoke straightly (like I have done at parts in this post, admitted).
"If you get good service and don't tip, you will not get ANY service the next time you go back to that restaurant."
Then why not change the restaurant, then? This way she will only lose business AND possible tips.
Seems this "money number one" culture has come from The States, no wonder they love you so much 
Money seems to make a person automatically a better one. "He good man he give me big tip, he not tip me he bad man".
Then again, we also have to remember the thai way of thinking: He who has, gives. But with common sense.
Few other asian countries are as money oriented as Thailand is. And it's direcly in proportion to tourism.
Actually one time (this is tue), I went to eat with a TG to a small dining place that only had locals besides of me. The food was very good, the price was cheap and I wanted to tip the 15 baht that was left over from the 100 bht bill. They did not know what I was trying to do, not understanding and not accepting the money even though I kept saying 'tip, tip'. The TG told me they did not understand the consept of tipping and she seemed somewhat embarassed I was trying to tip. So I took the money with me, then. Anyway, it was good to see not everybody is "looking to rip off a rich farang", from the non-tipping countries perspective.
Oh and.. just out of interest, why is a tip already included in the price od oil massage in the 1500 price (massage with extra for ex barons) and you are not expected to tip over that. Why is that? Just an honest question.
And about MP's... it's weird how they think that having sex with us somehow obligates us to give money to their studies, building a house project, kids or other thing. As amazing it is, they get us moody by getting us off, even many times, and then being all sweet and talking about their problems. It is very cruel! They might have their problems but they are taking advantage of a weak moment. 
"Actually, Americans pay far less for service than most other countries"
This is true and that is why you have more money left for tipping
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Posted on: 12:29 pm on May 8, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from babysnake on 11:23 am on May 8, 2005
Mr. Alan. Tip is given by choise. You say it is not cultural because in Europe the tip is already in price. Well, you know what? Wouldn't it be the same thing then to leave without paying the full price than not to give a tip in Asia? If you refuse to pay the full price, you will get into trouble with the police. If you do not tip, that does not entitle anyone to call cops because you have not broken any law, as it would be with refusing to pay the price that is LISTED.
My main objection is the word "cultural" which implies a deep rooted practice, rather than just a way of charging for service. In the US, tipping is really just a habit based on the way prices are charged to the customer (service not included in the price), not a cultural value. If tipping were outlawed, you would not see anyone complaining in the same way they would complain about fundamental cultural values (except for the people who used to receive tips).
Many restaurants in the US do not require tipping, because they are self-service. This includes some moderately priced restaurants and not just fast food places. I can guarantee you that the average American is always cognizant of the cost of tipping and will avoid it whenever possible. Another way to avoid tipping in the is to order take-away.
The same applies to hotels. At least 95% of people in the US will carry their own luggage up to their rooms to avoid tipping the hotel staff to assist them. As I mentioned earlier, a 10% service charge in the US is considered outrageous. I rarely tip anyone at a hotel, even when staying at a Hyatt or Westin, or even a Ritz Carlton.
The reason that Americans tip about 15-18% in restaurants where they get served by a waiter/waitress is because their is no service charge on bill and the staff make very little wages, and the food is priced appropriately lower than the equivalent food in the EU (or other country with comparable cost of living). In the end, it comes out to about the same, but in the US, the customer has the right to withhold or reduce the tip if the service is bad. Because of this, it is much less likely that one will receive bad service.
When I first came to LOS about 4.5 years ago, I would not have tipped anything at a Soapy MP if it wasn't for the fact that it was stated on this forum (and others) that the standard tip at a soapy is 500 baht.
As stated by others in thread, some Thais and other Asians tip at least 500 baht at a Soapy MP.
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Posted on: 1:48 pm on May 8, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from babysnake on 11:23 am on May 8, 2005
Oh and.. just out of interest, why is a tip already included in the price od oil massage in the 1500 price (massage with extra for ex barons) and you are not expected to tip over that. Why is that? Just an honest question.
I think it is related to the amount of money the TG gets in total. At a soapy, the TG gets about half, or 1000 baht on average. With a 500 baht tip, the total is 1500 baht.
At an oily, the TG gets almost nothing of the massage fee (800 for 2 hours), so with 1500 charge for the "special" it is about the same as the soapy.
My numbers may not be exact, but they are close.
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Posted on: 1:52 pm on May 8, 2005
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