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Minder
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Thought I would share this experience and see what you think.
It works like this. The newbie arrives in LOS. Goes to the bars. Meets a girl. Falls for the illusion. Get burnt or at least scorched pretty badly. Next trip he probably does it all again, almost. Then if he returns to LOS often enough he learns the rules, learns the language and starts to meet people outside the P4P scene. He might even start the long slow climb toward a relationship with that most elusive of Thai creatures a "good girl".
For over a year now I have spent time of each trip to LOS with a small group of office girls. Ordinary working class girls from ordinary Thai familys. Gradual acceptance by one led to introduction to others and so on. It has been interesting and enjoyable and to a large extent helped remove the somewhat jaded view of Thai womanhood I had developed through my experiences with bar girls. Sad to say the jaded feeling has returned.
Fast forward to about three weeks ago. I am jammed with 3 of the girls into the back seat of a Bangkok bound taxi leaving Pattaya after New Year. We have all stayed at the apartment of the farang boyfriend of one of the girls. He has taken care of them all for about a week, they have slept in his apartment, booked meals onto his account in the little restaurant downstairs and been taken out to dinner and drinks etc. They have paid for some of their own things but the split is about 80/20 in their favour.
The taxi has moved about 100m along the beach road in Jomtien before the little girlfriend is chatting in Thai on her mobile. At first my reaction is no reaction - these girls talk to their mobiles as much as to each other. However several years of attempting to learn the language sends a lightning bolt up my arse. The little cow is talking to her "fan" - a boyfriend and not the farang one whose bed she has climbed out of not two hours ago.
The subsequent taxi ride to Bangkok was informative to say the least even though I understood less than 25% of what was said between the girls. The little girlfriend had arranged to meet her other boyfriend once she got back to Bangkok. The other girls thought this a big joke. "Arai gor dai" laughed one - any guy will do!
Two things struck me about that journey, the first was that these "good girls" clearly didn't think there was anything wrong in what they were doing - it was only a farang they were doing it to. The second was that it never entered their minds that I might understand anything of what was being said. Then later I realised that those two things were actually only one thing - Thai arrogance and its total disregard and lack of respect for anything non-Thai.
I read once that the fleas on a Soi dog mean more to a Thai person than any farang ever will because they are Thai fleas. To me this experience highlights that statement. Any comments?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:04 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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Mr Alan
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The concept of a "good girl" is class dependent. It only really exists the way you think it should in the upper class Thai society (or at least upper-middle class).
The middle and lower classes of Thai society does not have such strict rules about sex, multiple partners, and weaseling as much money as they possibly can out of a farang boyfriend (s). Even though they may work in a nice department store, they usually only make about $200 per month in their regular jobs. Considering how little they get paid, the behavior you describe is not surprising.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:15 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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BigDUSA
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Me thinks you got the Thai version of girls being macho in front of their girlfriends. I wouldn't read to much into it.
We don't have enough info on the girl with her Thai boyfriend. The farang she sees is it serious as in exclusive relationship or is she seeing a few guys? Back in the day when I was single and dating, I would always let the girls know I was seeing other women maybe the farang is seeing other women. Who knows?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:17 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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Bangkoksexydotcom
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really good girl will not talk with you one more time if you ever slept with a bar girl. They will not stay in Pattya and they will have thier own money.
There are so many outthere we called halfhookers.
They do not go to bars like patpong and nana and they will not chanrge you by the hour but in other sneaky sneaky ways. I prefer patpong!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 3:50 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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AmoresPerros
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Yep... the way you introduced them they seemed very dodgy... I guess it's easy to get GTG grade in your book
" The second was that it never entered their minds that I might understand anything of what was being said. Then later I realised that those two things were actually only one thing - Thai arrogance and its total disregard and lack of respect for anything non-Thai. "
that's an interesting phenomenon... but perhaps less arrogance or lack of respect than plain stupidity, or at least lack of reasonning. My thai is far from "khlong" but pretty fluent on business matters. While haggling about goods in some thai offices in thai language I had several times a broker phone the goods owner and discuss loud about the situation ! Like he couldn't relate the fact I could talk to him in thai to the fact I would as well understand what he was saying to his boss !?!and hence I got a big hedge in the negociation!
No wonder why so few thai traders make it overseas!
For the same reasons it's often pretty easy to read through a TG's motives if your dick or emotionnal distress is not blinding you
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:13 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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dirty guru
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Good post, good points, and yes good girls do stay at pattaya. I have my daughters uncle (mothers side no relation) take his Tv fame girlfriend from singapore to the hard rock hotel in pattaya. That initially shocked me as she was asian and fantastic looking and clearly a "'good girl"' and in some soapie there. A flight centre susan of sydney who has booked me dozens of hotels there also suprised me that their international conference was held at the royal cliff. Indeed once I caught a thai wife I had standing right next to royalty (the kings daughter) her head bowed in deep respect, and several police and minders. She uses the place alot. Then theres the droves from bangkok that just want sea clean air (dispite the farangs). The masses of japanese ladies watching at polo a go go at 10pm sipping a coke as the hot candle wax burns the performing girls tits, handly qualify as less than bad, but rather just a tourist some bus company organized. Theres lots of good girls at places like hard rock at night, and theres lots of hookers also. One important point to remember is the infrasture of pattaya has thousands of bank employees, 7/11 girls, maids, office girls, nurses, and internet cafe girls, waitresses, store workers etc.....many under 35 who go out.....many that though dont f*** as a sole means of income. Would under certain circumstances have a farang boyfriend develop it (the relationship) purely to better the small bank balnce and wage. Even very experienced thai visitors and local based men, can be disillusioned to discover "'all in all your just an another brick in the wall"" (apoligizes to pink floyd) but thats about it. I had similar experiences, where woman who never took a cent from me, and secured my affections and estimations of them over time carefully. Even had me struggling with my conscience about butterflying. Were later discover to have 5 (not 1 or two) men emailing her, all of which would have pleasured themselfs with her free of charge. Two sounded very much keen to deepen the love that they thought existed between them. One had just flown a week prior to my arrival (see evening classes excuses) and wanted to send her money without prompt to help her get that much needed personal computer to help her uni studies. Another spoke as though his life had just been transformed. Her mistake was to not log out, and use the hotels internet while I was swimming in their pool. I noticed her smiling alot (as I silently crossed up past the little room acting as their business centre) she hurriedly left, and mentioned that the sars virus had cancelled the bangkok stones concert. We ate and made love again, and I didnt give it another thought until later when I used that computer as she went to the salon. I typed in hotmail, then yahoo email.....and an unclosed email addressed popped up......she was the owner of it. There was an island photo of her and him he had sent to remind her of those magical days. Even farangs aside that she fished for, there were other sinister emails from other freinds doing the same and asking how to get out of a double header (two farangs arrivving same time).......Remember a flea on a dog beening thai is still a very annoying creature. But thai. We are farangs that seem to forget at times that they are mostly poor by our standards. Western woman have supermarket check outs full of magazines on shelve with some billionaires son (kerry packerS son james) with the latest lucky model. Is this not a form of praising and envying a girl who hooks in a big fish? Its open approval of the highest level of sex for money exchanges. Few western woman look down on some bimbo that nails a 22 billion dollar inheritance because her 76 year old husband dies. The stars from hollywood just have to hold out their hand and any girl would for fame and gain open their legs up. Nature has given woman the right to manipulate for gain using sex for thousands of years. Mothers teach daughters by their own behaviour codes how to handle men. Men are processed often by income and age, looks etc. In thailand you can get to know good girls, and be disillusioned later, or as one naieve writing said and believes good girls dont go to pattaya. Ppssstttt I have news bro "'there are no good girls"" anywhere. All woman will at some point in their life make decesions that gain, love isnt always a prequiste to sex. The hypocrisy might exist in the western sisters that look down their noses at the much more petite asian sisters, with stero types. But they do the same. Just not consciously maybe. That girl speaking to another man on her cell phone might well like you alot, but not want her search to marry better be ruined if one suitor disappoints. She has feelings, and might well be a "'good girl"' but she needs to have a good life also, and wants a good man. The other consideration is she thinks well if he likes the pattaya girls, I will play act and make him mad and openly act like one "pretending to arraange things"' this would be to let you know she hasnt a worry about loosing you, as is most likely (as she wouldnt conduct that activity in front of you) Or wants you to leave her. Or as you said went that way and she maybe thought your thai too bad to understand what was being said. The whole thing about good girls is a christian based "'boy f***er"' dictate from above, "'thy shall not hook"'......come on lads get real man ip u lation.....the word hints at its origins. The guilt trip doesnt cut in south east asian countries with this moral crap. Buddha forgives all the sins of yesterdays and todays, and tommorrows any girl that has taken it up the arse for the first time will believe. After all the buffalos getting sick anytime soon.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:14 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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juniper
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Minder
I had dated quite a few non- P4P girls in bkk. Most of them is introduced by friends. Like in rest of world. there are some "good" thai girl and some "not so good" thai girl. And from personal experience, I can assure you that there are many " not so good" thai girl in the Hi-so class. The younger generation of asian girls (thai, chinese, japanese etc...) are much more open in their sexual altitude.
There are some TG who has the altitude toward farang as you describe. However, there are many other Really Good thai girl who are genuine in their relationship. You just have to spend your time in finding these girls.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:37 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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Bangkok Chang
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The culture in Thailand is not to ask questions even when the obvious is staring you in the face.
I recall taking a "good girl" (she hadn't left the bar) long time twice whilst she was being sponsored, but I didn't buy her dad a motorsai as requested.
Her sponsor knew about me, but hey she was still a good girl a heart. He knew this because she really didn't want to work in a bar at all.
He also knew about the dozen or so farangs who still exchanged e-mails and arranged their next visits with the girl. Well, she probably won't tell him when the guys come over so that is OK too. She's a good girl after all.
He didn't even know where she lived, no need as he knew she was a good girl.
He handed money over without question, even for sisters he had never met, because they were all good girls.
Don't ask questions and you won't hear any lies. That's the culture here. If you are the curious sort then you will find plenty to keep your mind occupied with these girls. Good or otherwise.
I knew a good girl who didn't work in a bar. Dated her several times until her Thai boyfriend proposed. She forgot to mention him. Silly girl. She was, however, a good girl because she didn't work in a bar.
Give me an honest "bad" girl any day. You know where you are. I'd rather be dealing with a girl who openly tries hitting me up daily to one who sees me earning ten times what her father earns and stores up resentment for a decade, then administers the arsenic. But then I'm sure we all know a girl who wouldn't do that because she's a good girl, right?
A girl isn't bad just because she works in a bar.
A girl isn't good because she doesn't.
Thailand is all mixed up.
The farang who thinks he understands the place, or the people, quite certainly doesn't.
You cannot understand the incomprehensible, especially when it is constantly changing.
This is Thailand, there are bad women you can trust and good women you cannot. For me trust is the issue, not whether the girl has some high and mighty self righteous opinion of her virtue.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:57 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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LocalYokul
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I would much rather deal with the "bad" girls who are honest enough to tell me the gory details
I encourage the BGs/TGs to speak candidly with me, and sometimes they tell you things you don't want to hear 
but you take it in stride and be happy they told you now instead of finding out for yourself later
I've heard some real humdinger stories too
one was raped when she lost her virginity
one ran away from home to avoid being forced into marriage with the local boy who was a filanderer extraordinairre
one had a kid by her Falahng boyfriend while he has no knowledge of it, even though he visits her every year
and the many who are supporting their brothers and/or Thai hubby who do nothing but drink lao kao all day and smoke cigarettes
it's nice when you come across one who doesn't have kids and no Thai man, best if they were born lesbian 
and then there are the stories of the huge cock they had to suffer last week that took a tube of KY to get inserted and made them cum 10 times 
I heard it from some co-workers before, that some of the gals in the office staff probably got more dicks stuck in them than the Patpong gals of the same age
I'm beginning to think it's true, but the financial gain is almost always there
Of course that young lady wouldn't have been sleeping with the Falahng if he hadn't been footing the bill for her and her friends
If he knew better, he would have had sex with ALL of them that he was paying for
I would have at least requested it 
black, white, bad, good, nah, they're just women, and it's all gray
oh, I almost forgot, the TG's TBF probably knows all about the Falahng that she just spent the weekend with and is happy to have let her ride his dick all weekend as long as she got some money out of it, either in gift form or just the free food. Who knows, maybe he bought her some gold
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:35 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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Bangkok Chang
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Quote: from LocalYokul on 9:29 am on Jan. 27, 2005
I would much rather deal with the "bad" girls who are honest enough to tell me the gory details
Absolutely. A round of applause for LocalYokul.
None of this Bht 5,000 a month "allowance" nonsense and then "granny needs an operation" costing your life savings a year or two later because you were too stupid to ask the questions. If you stick your head in the sand you won't see what's coming.
Is money the key to a successful relationship in Thailand? NO. Commitment is. Either you step up and deal with the crap or you give the girl her fee and move on.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:58 pm on Jan. 26, 2005
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