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Zorro 69
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from the Stickman Weekly page:-
Exploiting A Flawed System
You won't likely read about it in the guidebooks, but you will hear about it in the bars, and for sure, you'll read about it on some websites and in some online discussion forums. The locals bring it up unless they feel they are being backed into a corner, or feel that perhaps you are not all you seem to be.
It is said that foreigners who cheat the locals, even if for just a few baht, may well end up a victim themselves, on the end of a nasty act of revenge. Someone who feels that have been cheated might throw a fit and scream and yell, or when really aggrieved, they may get violent and attack you. Floating face down in a klong, staring down the barrel of a gun or subjected to a brutal beating are the most common forms of revenge we hear about.
But just how does this sort of thing really happen? Do these seemingly gentle, laid-back people really have the capacity to lose the plot and go totally crazy? Is revenge a big deal in Thailand, or is it some urban myth?
A myth? I ask this question because there is a certain farang who is leaving a trail of destruction across the countryside, and if ever there was someone who you'd think would come a cropper from the locals, it was him.
He has been doing what he does for about a year now, day in, day out, and nothing has happened to him. Absolutely nothing! That is unless you call a few bargirls screaming obscenities at him retribution. Does this disprove the theory that there is no limit to what the locals do if they feel they have been ripped off.
This story is set in Pattaya where a certain individual resides, and plays. He is wanted back in his homeland for crimes of deception. He has brought his charms to Pattaya where he gets off using the services of the city's many prostitutes. "For free." He does not pay them for their services and uses a variety of means to get himself out of paying.
As best as can be established, he has lived in Fun City for a bit over a year and during that time he has kept himself busy chasing the girls of the city.
Initially he was a paying customer but soon enough he saw that the system of payment by slipping some baht into a girl's hands as she left the hotel the next morning, or surreptitiously placing some money in her handbag while she was in the shower, was flawed. He experimented a bit and saw that many of these women would just leave without explicitly asking for payment! He saw an opportunity and he exploited it.
Several months back, he got on the very popular Thailand Friends site, and made arrangements to meet some of the female members. He found that it was easy to meet women there but after he had met many of the good time girls, he found it harder to meet others. He resorted to trickery to meet others who were perhaps less interested in meeting him, or meeting any men for that matter. Various ruses were used to get these ladies down to Pattaya to meet him, the promise of free concert tickets being a popular ruse. He would tell his prey that he had concert tickets and that they could come down to Pattaya to party with him and while there, they could collect the concert tickets. Remarkably, a lot of women bought this and he had women venturing down to meet him every day, taking either the bus, or even driving themselves there. Of course, there were no concert tickets.
After a while he started to get a bit of a reputation. Descriptions of his exploits started to appear on the discussion forum of this particular site and warnings about him went out. He was banned but came back under various other usernames. This worked for a while before he eventually found it hard work to meet women there any more, so well known were his tricks.
He refocused his efforts in Fun City.
He uses many names and for a while he was going by the incredibly corny name of Harry Potter. Charming and intelligent, he can talk about a range of subjects from current affairs to world events to what is going on in Pattaya.
With the hunt resumed in Pattaya, he would troll around town, particularly Soi Buakow, and pick up women and invite them back to his long-stay hotel for a swim before retiring upstairs. Next was where his expertise kicked in as he would come up with all manner of lies and schemes to ditch the girls without paying anything. He is quite proud of his prowess in this area and eager to share this knowledge and skill with anyone who cares to listen.
The boiling point came after he got others involved with his lies and the girls started to bad talk him so much at the place he was staying that he was forced to leave. He threatened to trash talk the establishment and sure enough, his posts were exactly as he said he would, posting under the user name "blue eyes".
Not so long ago he found himself a protégé, an Aussie guy. Now this guy also went through many girls as well but he left after a couple of weeks. Our main character's scam was that he got the black book of phone numbers from the Aussie and called the girls pretending to be the Aussie and set up a meeting. He would go and check the girl out and wait until the girl realised that the Aussie was not showing and swoop in. He said it was surprisingly effective and he would send photos back to the Aussie.
But he is not alone in his ways. There are a number of guys who prey on these girls and who avail themselves of the girls' services without providing any remuneration whatsoever. As I have said, the system is flawed, at least from the girls' point of view.
When backed into a corner he will go and slander all and sundry on the various internet discussion forums. Unfortunately this can result in establishments getting a bad rep when it really isn't deserved. It also leaves a trace of where he has been, and where he is accessing the internet from.
While he loves this life in Pattaya, he is considering a move up into Isaan. It would seem that he is getting low on funds and relocating to the northeast would seem to be a means of making whatever finances and income he has go that much further. As he becomes more and more desperate, the likelihood of another of his scams coming to the fore increases.
What this fellow has managed to expertly exploit is the Thais' seeming total inability to read farangs. Many Thais, especially the poorer Thais, just seem to have no idea what sort of person we are. While judging a book by its cover can often result in getting it wrong, they really have no idea about us. Dress well, speak politely and you'll get the thumbs up. That said, the average farang is just as bad at reading a Thai.
I remember my mother in law telling me a while back that meeting me to check me out before I married Mrs. Stick was largely a pointless exercise. She said to me that she could spend time with a Thai, someone from Laos, someone from Isaan (she makes a distinction between general Thais and those of Isaan) or even someone from China, and she would have a good idea of what they were all about, but bring a farang into the fold and she had absolutely no idea. Unlike most Thais, she will actually admit that she is blind to the ways and the nuances of farangs, and cannot read us at all.
But for the star of this story, preying on these girls in Thailand, conning them, and ripping them off. Come on, that's getting out of hand.
But it DOESN'T amaze me that he has got away with this for so long. He must have literally done the dirty with hundreds of girls and apart from a few reported run ins, things have yet to go bang. And I don't know if they will. My feeling is that if things do catch up with him, it will only be because farangs got involved.
The way that many women in the farang sector of the naughty nightlife accept payment is one of its charms, but for the girls themselves the system is fundamentally flawed. And if something does go wrong, many are scared of going to the police for help, fearing that admitting themselves to be a sex worker will not result in the full co-operation of the police, particularly in a tourist area where police hassling visitors, whether justified or not, can have a detrimental effect on the number of foreign tourists.
Like I say, while I hardly admire nor condone what he has done, I am not surprised that he has got away with this for so long. And if what some of the girls in Pattaya say is true, there are a number of guys like him.
Ripping off prostitutes is seriously uncool.
By Western terms they may be prostitutes but I never think of them as such. Trying to survive in a system without social security and an equal chance of a good education more like. I have met a few who are great characters however their background is perceived.
'Z'
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:10 am on July 3, 2006
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Quote: from Zorro 69 on 5:11 pm on July 3, 2006
She said to me that she could spend time with a Thai, someone from Laos, someone from Isaan (she makes a distinction between general Thais and those of Isaan) or even someone from China,
Of course she does. And Stick, just as hep as can be, just doesn't get that?
Stick's not the clever boy he thinks he is... 
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 8:16 am on July 3, 2006
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Loung Steeb
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Stick talks about some guy getting free pussy and in the same article talks about his MIL about reading Farangs?? WTK??
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:09 am on July 3, 2006
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Socrates
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Free pussy ???
I don't believe this ! I have always paid. I knew some Indian chap who reckoned he got it for free, but he lied to create his form of 'face'.
Free I don't believe. Pussy has cost me many Euros.
From a Kamakia !
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 6:17 am on July 4, 2006
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NINGNING
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"There's no such thing as a free lunch."
- Milton Friedman
"There's no such thing as a free pussy."
- NINGNING
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:44 am on July 4, 2006
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don5252
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if there is a guy like this, intentionally not paying, I find it hard to beleive at least one of these girls (as appearently there are many) hasn't arranged to put him out buisness which he certainly deserves
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:24 pm on July 8, 2006
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bimmher
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How about just out right stealing from them!!!
The girl I called sky in my FR bimmher babysits Green Bean......Why? told me two stories.
She said she had the same phone as me but a guy stole it from her. He picked her up and said he wanted to take her to Pattaya for two days. Drove a new BMW and as they were leaving he stopped at an internet cafe and said he had to use the internet. She went in with him and then he said he forgot a piece of paper in his car and would be right back. Left and drove off. She had left her purse and stuff in the car as she thought they would only be a few minutes. 12,000 baht phone and 3,000 baht in her purse plus her id and stuff she had was gone.
A friend of hers had a guy who went into her purse while she was in the shower and then went and paid her with her own money 
Quote from sky "You see not only do you guys have to worry about the girls but we have to also watch out for some of the guys. I think he has done it to many women"
Some people are just nasty twisted f***s!!!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:12 am on July 9, 2006
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Baquawn
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I was hoping that the story would end by him getting his ass kicked, or killed by someone.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:57 am on July 9, 2006
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NINGNING
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Quote: from Baquawn on 7:58 pm on July 9, 2006
I was hoping that the story would end by him getting his ass kicked, or killed by someone.
No way that's gonna happen.
I rather guess that one day the feeling of guilt will take over and he will jump from the 16th floor of a condo complex.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:06 am on July 9, 2006
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don5252
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either one would do hope his demise makes the news that would make my day
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:59 am on July 9, 2006
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