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I've run into a few girls like that and promptly fled.
Not knowing exactly what you saw, I would guess that those cut marks are probably "hesitation marks", which occur when a woman decides she wants to kill herself, and chooses a razor blade to the wrists. The hesitation occurs when she finds out that cutting yourself with a razor really, really hurts.
Sometimes, they go ahead and make deep cuts (usually while they are under the influence of drugs or alcohol), but since major blood vessels are protected in the area of the wrist by tendons, bone, etc., it is difficult to actually kill one's self by doing this.
Some mental health professionals call these marks a cry for help.
The ancient Romans used to kill themselves in their baths by slitting either their wrist or femoral arteries lengthwise. (Presumably they chose those arteries because they are easy to find.) The hot water in their baths prevented clotting.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:02 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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barneyFife
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My understanding is that is a way to save face when dumped by a boyfriend, husband. They cut their hand as if commiting suicide, but they don't cut deep enough to cause any real damage.
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Posted on: 11:10 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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macaler
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Actually.. These marks are usually a sign of heroin use. Normally up country the people don't have enough money/resources for needles. So they use a blade to score into a vein slightly and pour the heroin on the wound and thus gets into the bloodstream.
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Posted on: 11:31 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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Arcadius
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If there are several horizontal marks across the wrist (not particularly uncommmon), I think it's more likely to be evidence of a 'suicide attempt'. Like most suicide attempts anywhere, they were never really intended to succeed.
Some guys take the view that girls with these marks should be avoided like the plague on the grounds that they're obviously mentally unstable. That hasn't been my experience, and of course the marks are often several years old.
The bottom line is that an enraged or extremely upset TG is capable of virtually anything. When Thais lose it, they lose it absolutely, and the only sensible thing to do it get the hell out of the vicinity asap. I suspect that in most cases, the girls will have inflicted these marks on themselves while going berserk one time. I don't think that makes them unusual - it's just how this 'Thai fury' manifested itself in their case.
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Posted on: 12:41 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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expatchuck
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I had an ex-girlfriend that did it when she got really mad at me or we had a roaring argument. I agree that it was a cry for help as she was not into drugs.
I usually gave her my condolences and we ended up in the sack so it wasn't all bad.
She has stopped this practice with maturity.
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Posted on: 12:44 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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Kaymanx
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This brings to the fore yet again one of the most depressing truths of the sex trade. We just must not forget that many of the girls have gone through harrowing times and have come into the profession not by choice but out of sheer compulsion. Maybe to the western mind and to those amongst us who rationalise most every circumstance on earth (me included) all this may sound pitiful hogwash ("if you have come into the profession you know what it takes, and there's no two ways about it" ).
The truth is often otherwise. In many cultures "a fallen woman" is considered not fit to live and therefore deserving of death. (Read another post on another thread "NEP raided," where one poster -- sorry i cannot recall the name right now-- talks of the views held by his Thai female friends on prostitution). The fact remains that for large sections of society (many bros on this forum included) prostitution is a back of beyond profession. The girl who beds for money is considered to be "selling her body," although the same is not said of actresses and models who expose their assets.
Sorry for this digression.
I one took a TG who was wearing long sleeved tops. I was attracted to her because of her elegant, intelligent looks. Later in my room when her top came off, I was astonished to see many burn marks on her arms and back. I was nonplussed. Queried about it, she told me her story (up to you to believe it or not) of having been deserted by her husband after becoming pregnant. Out of desperation and a sense of defeat and self-destruction she rode her motorbike at top speed until she went crashing. She survived but required many stitches and grafting in different areas. Like the rational SOB that I imagine myself to be, I asked her why she didn't think of her kid. She said that her sister who held a "cleaner" and "civilised" job was trusted to look after the kid.
Maybe you think the 500 baht you spend on a short time has to yield maximum pleasure, not painful stories. I agree too. But let's just keep our eyes open to the fact that many of the girls are in -- or have come through --- desparate
circumstances, unlike anything a man would experience. So even as we bed them and pay them let's give them something to smile about or to remember that the world is not so full of hard hearted men as their past leads them to believe.
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Posted on: 1:22 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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Arcadius
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There's no doubt that some BG's have had terrible experiences, but they are not unique in this respect, and it certainly doesn't apply to all of them. I don't think, either, that just because a BG may have attempted suicide, that this must necessarily be a result of abusive treatment. It is just as likely that she fell for a 'nice' guy, then fell apart when (for example) she finally realised he wasn't going to leave his wife for her. As has often been noted, some of the younger ones are still essentially adolescent in outlook, with all the emotional trauma and instability that implies.
A BG's lot is certainly not always a happy one, but we shouldn't forget that the same applies to a great many other Thais - in fact to people everywhere. You certainly don't need to be a prostitute to be miserable and/or desperate enough to commit suicide, still less to attempt it. Also, there are a great many other Thais (& Orientals in general) who sometimes feel that they have suffered a catastrophic loss of face and react very badly to this.
Into every life a little rain must fall - sometimes quite a lot of rain. I still refuse to view BGs as some kind of race apart from the general run of humanity. It is certainly not true that most of the BGs we encounter in the farang scene have absolutely no other option in life, and I don't believe their occupation per se entitles them to our pity. I don't think they deserve, need or want this - and they're not getting mine unless their particular circumstances seem to warrant it.
In general, I admire these girls for just getting on with what we all know must often be a difficult and occasionally traumatic job, while remaining as cheerful, sweet and good-hearted as they so often are. Comparing them with the kind of spoilt farang woman who never stops whining about her largely imaginary troubles, I give them huge credit for this.
Yet what is the reality here? Spoilt farang women with largely imaginary troubles commit suicide too. Subjectively, some of them are every bit as miserable - if not more so - than a genuinely abused BG. I tend to feel that unhappiness is like honour, courage, greed or duplicity - something you can find in any country or any walk of life, and often in the most unlikely places.
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Posted on: 4:21 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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Kaymanx
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"You certainly don't need to be a prostitute to be miserable and/or desperate enough to commit suicide, still less to attempt it."
But the prostitute is amongst the worst affected because of the traditional attitude of society that hers is a "fallen" profession worse than death. Mainstream films reinforce this attitude.
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Posted on: 5:49 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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Arramsey
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Arcadius ,
I agree that the desperation to commit suicide is not limited only to girls in the p4p scene . However I think that
Kaymanx
Was trying to focus the global problem onto our area of operation . Since this is a p4p Forum I guess he was trying to tell us to have our fun , get our pleasure or kicks - BUT apart from just paying the girls , give them some empathy ( not sympathy ) also .
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Posted on: 6:14 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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ThaidUp
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Quote: from expatchuck on 12:44 pm on Aug. 18, 2003
I had an ex-girlfriend that did it when she got really mad at me or we had a roaring argument. I agree that it was a cry for help as she was not into drugs.
I usually gave her my condolences and we ended up in the sack so it wasn't all bad.
She has stopped this practice with maturity.
Another aspect of this practice is the control issue. A associate called me up in the morning in a panic about after he told a BG that he did not want to see her anymore, she went into the bathroom and slashed her wrists. Like said above a horizontal slash will not kill you unless really deep because of the clotting. Vertical in the bath will work. But anyhow, the BG is out of control of the situtation and now her client is moving on. Out of despiration this practice might gain the relationship back.
As expatchuck experienced after an arguement or when she got mad she used this method to get his condolences, then everything was back to normal.
Yes, it it bad on any account and best to stay away from these girls whatever the reason they resorted to these tactics however well founded. IMHO it is a danger signal.
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Posted on: 7:29 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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