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Gotta throw in my 2 cents worth as well.
I agree largely with Minder - especially the "Put up or Shut Up" part.
Any girl in the 4P4 business is obviously doing it for the money. Most have kids would need supporting or siblings or parents with their hands out. Every BG I've been with and talked to about why they are BGs have mentioned a baby or parents back home with no money.
When a farang shows up in their life with the money and willingness to support them and their family, the girl will jump all over you. Of course, it isn't as clear cut as that but that's it in a nutshell. And that's why Forsa lost his girl. He wasn't prepared to take care of her... so she accepted the offer from the next guy that came along.
Can you blame her, really? Especially considering her focus isn't on herself or you but it's on her children and family. They are the ones with no money. And, in Thailand, the government doesn't help out those less fortunate so if you've got no food today, you're f***ed.
I was one of the lucky ones (though how long my luck stays remains to be seen). I met my beauty, had my GFE with her, and fell in love. But I didn't leave it alone to wither and die... as it would have if I only came to LOS to see her once a year or whenever. Instead, I moved to LOS, got her to quit her job, moved in with her, etc. I purposefully destroyed all contact she had with other farangs (I didn't want anyone on the back burner, so to speak).
And, of course, I am willing (and I do) take care of her and her family... as much as is financially reasonable for me to do so. As much as she loves me, I know that I'm only temporary if I don't take her filial responsibilities seriously. So the money regularly pours into Isan. But that is one of the consequences of having an ex-BG for a wife. I knew this (thanks to this board and its members) before I moved here to be with her so I accept it.
I could return to Canada and find myself a farang woman. But the consquences of that (i.e., boring, fat, bitchy, bossy, etc) are a lot worse than the consquences of having a Thai one. Simple.
Forsa, don't be too jaded. There are some jewels out there in the P4P world. Just have be able to recognize them and snatch them up when you do.
SirTitus
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Posted on: 11:30 pm on Mar. 1, 2005
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forsa
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Sirtitus, my tilac did not have any kids and her parents were pretty much taken care of by her older sister’s boyfriend/sponsor (this guy is putting her through school, building the parents a house, buying a hotel in Pattaya etc.) … but really I don’t know the Thai culture well enough to know what her responsibilities to her parents are even though the sister’s providing support (her mom does have cancer).
I was prepared to support her and certainly have the money to do it, but she never asked. She always said she was too proud when I offered and would cry. I did give her some money (remember the ATM card), but nothing anywhere near what she could pull in a bar or from a sponsor like I read about here.
I am compelled to add another detail to my story, even if it’s just for comic relief to you guys. About 3 weeks ago, my mobile rings in the middle of the night (in NA). I pick up and a farang says “hello” in a British or Aussie accent and hangs up. I call back a couple of times and someone answers, but doesn’t say anything and all I hear is ambient noise. Methinks new hubby discovered her phone directory on her mobile and decided to call up the person listed as “my lover”. If you recognize this, PM me and let’s talk.
Ok, another question for you guys… when I return next month should I see her friends and sister? I really see these girls as my friends and would still like to see them, just for sanook though nothing else. How do Thais see situations like this? Or should I just close this chapter in my life and become the biggest butterfly to land in LOS?
Forsa.
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Posted on: 12:28 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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dotcom
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ISEE had the right idea with that T-Shirt he had made.
Big Black Letters ATM on the front.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:17 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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Edge
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Methinks it would be better if you gave her family and friends a wide berth.
otherwise she will be in your thoughts so much that you will not have one of those fun holidays. Want to be like a lovesick puppy alll the time?
There are soooooo many great girls out there to play with, GFE with, butterfly with. The only time it seems hard is when you are looking for a lifetime partner.
Several of my mates have Thai wives. They have introduced other farangs to good girls who are looking for a farang husband. Seems a good place to start if you want a relationship. I am sure that one of the hardest places to start would be a bar where the girls P4P.
Worth it to keep in mind that western values and emotions, like love, do not mean the same in Thailand.
Edge
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:36 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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Quote: from dotcom on 1:11 pm on Mar. 2, 2005
ISEE had the right idea with that T-Shirt he had made.
Big Black Letters ATM on the front.
LOL - I was going to say "you remember that?", but should really say "how could you forget??". Had a lot of girls asking how to make a "withdrawal"... 
Walking along Suk, guy sitting at one of the after 1am eating joints laughed and prodded his mate asking if he saw the joke. You can thank cyborg for providing the shirt for me.
My 2 cents: My understanding is that the girls really just trying to secure their (and their family) future finances. As long as you aren't repulsive to them, one farang is the same as another. Its the thai mentality, rather have something today, rather than "maybe" more tomorrow. A case of first in, best served but be careful with the "dish" you are served...
In relation to her friends, wouldn't go there if I was you. Not only do you have the ole "Birds of a feather...", you also might get a bit of thai jealousy to stir things up if you turn out to be a better catch etc etc.
Agree with Sirtitus, don't get jaded with all thai girls because of one. Just be aware of where you fit into the "scheme" of things and accept it or not..... 
Edit in: Maybe I should lend my shirt to Chess King 3....5555
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:54 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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Theres more than one bro in this thread feeling sorry for the BG's and believing their shit. As for 40 leaving the bar each year to get married, ummmm, maybe, but I bet 39 return within 2 months to continue work. They know no better, and whats all the shit about familys back home, come on guys, most of these girls burn there money on Thai blokes, whiskey and cards, mum and dad get very little unless your throwing a lot at the girl.
Also, Ramkhamhaeng University is crap, worthless in the workplace in Thailand, considered one of the lowest mainly because most of the coruses can be done at home with a book and you just have to turn up for the exam once every 2mths, so any girl saying I got Ramkhamhaeng University, means she sits an exam there once every 2mths, hardly a strain on the workload, and certainly doable whilst working the bar.
I feel for you forsa, sorry things didint work, but the posts claiming YOU were the reason are bullshit. One horrible last thought, how long has she REALLY been pregnant ?
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Posted on: 3:37 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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They know no better, and whats all the shit about familys back home, come on guys, most of these girls burn there money on Thai blokes, whiskey and cards, mum and dad get very little unless your throwing a lot at the girl.
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A stupid one-sided view... many girls do support their family. Take that from me.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:51 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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Hugh Jardon
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Forsa
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I will definitely learn from this and will certainly think twice about a TG relationship.
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By all means. You've been bitten hard, fallen in love, suffered some big heartache. Join the club.
When you next consider a TG relationship, as indeed you will, because TGs are now under your skin, you might indeed Butterfly for a while to restore some equilibrium. Good plan at this stage.
But eventually you might well seek a more serious relationship, as I have now and in the past. Then you need to make a clear distinction between the BGs and the non- BGs. BGs are prone to lying, cheating and motivated by money. Mostly, the non BGs are not.
Have a look at a dating site like Thailovelinks and see what the non-BGs are like. Easy to start a correspondence with 2/3 girls. There are some real stunners out there and you should set your sights high. You have nothing to lose, everything to gain. The character and personality of these girls is completely different. Instead of giving the appearance of possessing all the characteristics that you like in TGs, they will more than likely be genuine. Naturally, their motivation will be marriage ultimately, but it seemed that you were headed in that direction anyway. It's just that BGs often aren't good marriage material, mainly because of the competition that you face and temptation that they face. Lick your wounds and think about this aspect of things.
I've met three really great girls through this route and will marry the best one in June. The experiences I've had with BGs have been fantastic. I've lost my heart with some of them, as we all have, but like most Bros posting on this Forum I have come to realise that it boils down to two end games; either carry on Butterflying to your heart's content, or find a non - BG and settle down. In reality, it is unlikely that you will find a BG without problems down the line or be able to sustain a LT relationship with a non BG which does not lead to a more serious commitment.
Just my opinion fwiw.
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Posted on: 5:23 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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Hermanolobo
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Forsa,
You won't be the first and will not certainly be the last !
'Money No.1 "Hello there sexy man!" - A survivors guide to Pattaya' by Neil Hutchinson.
Bookazine usually has a copy. Read it !
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:49 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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hypershade
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You guys can hear me coming, right?
One word: Filipina's.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:03 am on Mar. 2, 2005
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