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Brocher
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Surely you can respect somebody because they take pride in their work and do a good job, sometimes you might get some added value (GF experience etc.) so that's a plus!
IMHO, so long as you see it as a business transaction then both parties should be okay. Many BGs have told me that they have sex with punters and make love to their boyfriend, husband etc. That means they have a switch that moves from love to work and they are (usually) able to control it but sometimes they get smitten and fall for a customer but they're still able to have sex with another punter. So I reckon the sex act itself isn't that intimate for BGs it's a case of who it's with that makes it intimate.
Cheerio
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:44 am on May 28, 2005
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Hugh Jardon
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Why not let us examine the meaning of the word "Respect" before we all arrive at any conclusions as to whether TBGs respect punters, or whether punters should pay them respect, whether it has be earned or whatever.
There are three basic meanings of the word. We can discount one of those, which is the one that means "aspect" as in something varies in one respect or another.
The confusion might arise because of the meaning of the other two usages. The first is the one that means an attitude of deference, admiration or esteem; regard.
The second usage means consideration for the feelings of others, pay proper attention too, not violate, treat courteously and kindly.
In the sense of the first definition, one can still admire the fortitude of the girls, often from poor backgrounds, who do this wretched work of selling their bodies for money to exist. On the other hand, it can and has been argued here that these girls also lie and cheat and are therefore not worthy of respect. Why should we show them respect, they are only whores, is the argument.
For myself, I have always meant the second meaning of treating them with courtesy and kindness and consideration. I believe that most of the usages by other Bros on this forum are of that meaning. I still believe that if you treat a person in that manner, they will usually respond in a similar way. That is where we get the GFE.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 8:41 am on May 28, 2005
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BigDUSA
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I enjoy the illusion of the GFE and the women enjoy the illusion of the American Boyfriend Experience (ABE) and we both benefit from it.
It's all an illusion and at the end of the trip as soon as I get on the airplane it all goes POOF.
When I was in the US Army one of the things they pounded into my head "know your enemy" and over the years, I've learned many things about "what women want" and as long as it doesn't cost me a lot of money, I give it to them. 
One of the things they want is someone to LISTEN to them. They love to talk about there hopes, dreams, desires and for the most part it doesn't involve me taking them to gold shops and when it does, I dump them.
I treat these women with dignity, respect as I do everyone I meet. When she's with me, I make her the center of my world. Most women can't get enough of this and others could care less.
I don't lie to the women and tell her she has a future, home, family with me. I'm here to have fun, I don't want to lead anyone on.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:22 pm on May 28, 2005
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PolePolisher
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Hugh Jardon wrote;. On the other hand, it can and has been argued here that these girls also lie and cheat and are therefore not worthy of respect. Why should we show them respect, they are only whores, is the argument.
Hugh
Point of order, if they lie and cheat they are not worthy of my respect, irrespective of their chosen occupation.
Good point about the definition of respect, it has a more powerful meaning as a noun than a verb but for the purpose of this topic I had deference or high regard in mind not common decency.
BigDUSA
If aeroplanes do go POOF when you board them pls remind me not to travel with you.
What is this ABE and how does it differ from a EBE (european boyfriend experience) ?
Common decency aside, are you advocating blind respect to the dishonest scam artists and if so why would one do that?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 4:32 pm on May 28, 2005
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BigDUSA
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Quote: from PolePolisher on 4:44 pm on May 29, 2005[br
BigDUSA
If aeroplanes do go POOF when you board them pls remind me not to travel with you.
What is this ABE and how does it differ from a EBE (european boyfriend experience) ?
Common decency aside, are you advocating blind respect to the dishonest scam artists and if so why would one do that?
ABE & EBE are close to being the same.
Scam artists are out the door so fast, she doesn't realize she's history. I pay her off with a smile as I don't need the hassle but I never go with her again.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:34 pm on May 28, 2005
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harold444
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we pay for sex, how more complicated can it get..................lol. anythhing else you get is pure "gravy".
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:49 pm on May 28, 2005
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Blattsucker
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So Polepolisher, how much do you hate yourself???
It is always fun watching the "Holier-then-thou" types dig their own graves. You said :"I don't respect lying, cheating, deception or laziness, but hey that's just old fashioned me."
Let's see. You are a whoremongerer. That means you lie, cheat and use deception. Or are you going to tell me that your mother, wife, kids, boss, employees, sister, neighbors, girlfriend and your dog know about your little adventures??? I think not.
You are lazy because you chase whores instead of decent churchgoing virgin girls that only want sex after marriage.
I bet you also kick some teeth out of the girls mouth so she can give you better BBBJ. Hey! You payed for a good BBBJ. So what the f*** is she complaining about???
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:24 am on May 29, 2005
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Bangkok Chang
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Quote: from harold444 on 9:01 am on May 29, 2005
we pay for sex, how more complicated can it get..................lol. anythhing else you get is pure "gravy".
It has sometimes been known to more closely resemble ketchup.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:47 am on May 29, 2005
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Repeat Offender
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Bangkok Chang wrote:-
They have their "Thai" lives, with their girlfriends, boyfriends, family, gambling, deceit, lies, thieving, scams, drugs, beauty treatments, tatoos, implants, and the gold. They don't want farangs poking their noses into that. They do want farangs, to replace the money they lost yesterday however.
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I am sure that is the case. Why would they want farangs in their lives, other than for money ?
The idea that BG's are only it for the money has been covered many times, and prostitution defined and explained, but I don't recall any posts supporting the idea for its merits alone. I say that not only do BG's trade sex exclusively for money, but that this is the ideal situation
Firstly, take Hugh Jardon's remarks
Do you think that punters would really fake the respect thing?
then
It doesn't take a towering intellect on the guy's part to realise that by treating the girls in this way, he will get a better shag or a GFE
then
Who amongst us would argue that the entire experience is not enhanced by the girl "acting" like a girlfriend?
The second remark answers the first, while the last suggests that only the BG's are capable of "faking it" in order to get what they want.
As for an answer, I would disagree. I accept that BG's are prostitutes, and no amount of acting on their part is going to convince me otherwise or improve the situation. When BG's start paying me, I may revise my position.
The social lubricant of manners aside, the "respect" idea betrays the selfishness that underlies the Farang's desire for BG's to fulfil his emotional needs. Yes, that's the word, NEED, but are you sure you really want it ?
How would you feel if every BG was truly distraught upon your parting? No, what the Farang wants, is just enough reaction from the BG to satisfy his ego, for him to believe that somehow, he is special enough for the BG to like and remember him. This too is selfish.
If BG's became attached to their clients, they would become emotional wrecks. If you truly respect them, would you want to leave them carrying such an emotional burden? As with a doctor, it is not necessary, but desirable, for them to remain detached.
Again from HJ
The essence of the whole thing is that at its most basic level, the transaction is payment of money for sex and in Farangland, a quick in and out, one cum and get your trousers on, goodbye, is as basic as it gets........
No, in Farangland, it's more honest, or at least more open. Some prostitutes are more accommodating than others, but only the conceited should be surprised by post-coital "whore frost".
.......In LOS, we all know that it is different
......After all, sexual intercourse is the most intimate personal act...
Do we? In LOS, unlike Farangland, this "most intimate personal act" can be yours for a courteous attitude and a little cash ?
I am sure that BG's prefer polite and considerate Farang clients, in the same way that London Taxi drivers prefer passengers who don't vomit in their cabs.
Being clean and tidy or looking like Brad Pitt ? When exactly are they a disadvantage ?
HJ wrote
In the sense of the first definition (of respect) one can still admire the fortitude of the girls, often from poor backgrounds, who do this wretched work of selling their bodies for money to exist.
Wretched work? How Victorian! All together, now
" Onward Christian soldiers......
Mr Jardon, Western values are born of a minority religion. They are nothing more than a belief system, and not some absolute measure of what is "right". We have the wealth and opportunity to indulge ourselves in our morals, and we will do so while it is convenient.
Naive Western views lead many gullible Farangs to "rescue" lost and fallen BG's.
If I were a BG, I'd take a Farang's money - after all it's what he wants. I can't remember the source, but an academic interviewed a number of BG's, and they considered Western sexual mores to be "neurotic". So, we can add neurotic to the very apt epithet of "waterbuffalo"
To re- quote from Polepolishers original post.
Topic - Whores, prostitutes and bar girls
If you treat them nice and with a little respect.
whore is a subjective term that shows no respect, I will not use it
Topic - Good Girls I thought I knew
Thai arrogance and its total disregard and lack of respect for anything non-Thai
If you show them that your trust has to be earned, and that it can take years, then you will gain a lot of respect.
Respect given is cheap, respect received is priceless
Respect them and they will be your friend for life!!
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I see. Rather like a stray dog. Pat it, to make it linger !
What makes you think they even want your f***ing "respect" ?
If Farangs really want to be considerate of Thais, accept that they don't think like you, view sex and money in a different way, and above all, that they are poor. Nor are they to be treated like children, who are to be tolerated and nurtured until they get around to the dizzying heights of being like us.
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From DG
The ponds whiting skin commercials teach them that to look paler is pretty.
To be fair DG, the Thais had a cultural preference for paler skin long before Ponds joined in the act.
RO
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:19 am on May 29, 2005
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Hugh Jardon
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Repeat Offender
I say that not only do BG's trade sex exclusively for money, but that this is the ideal situation
Ideal for who? Her, or you? Or maybe both of you.
And nearly all women trade money for sex one way or another, not just Bargirls. It's just that some are called prostitutes and others are called wives and girlfriends. Counter arguments are that even BGs offer sex for free with their boyfriends, or is that making love? And maybe the boyfriends are only doing it to get their hands on the BGs money that she has earned from the farang.
So things aren't quite as straightforward from other perspectives either.
As for the question of guys faking it, I can't speak for others, but my upbringing meant that I am generally kind and courteous in my treatment of others. Just because I realised long ago that people that you treat in this way respond in kind, doesn't mean that I deliberately fake an attitude to achieve that end. That would be shallow, wouldn't it? 
I did try to make the differentiation between the two significant meanings of the word respect. Almost the entire second half of your psycho-babble involves the second meaning that I stated, whereas I was discussing mostly the first meaning of kindness, tenderness and consideration. So I take note of all the possible mental anguish that might be caused to the BG and the matter of male ego, selfishness, etc. but you are pissing in the wind.
When I leave a BG after sex, I would hope that as well as enjoying it myself, it might be nice to think that she has derived some pleasure or enjoyment from it herself. I don't have that hope born from egotism or selfishness, but purely from a desire that people are happy in their work, just like that London Cabbie. That enjoyment might just be from the money she has earned, but even BGs are also women, flesh and blood, capable of feelings and sensations. If a punter treats her with consideration and kindness (that meaning of respect), then I fail to see how that can considered to be selfishness; quite the opposite in fact.
You can sneer all you like at my use of the adjective "wretched" to describe this work. You see it from your perspective, I'll see it from mine. Your viewpoint is summed up nicely in your thoughts which are worth repeating again:-
I say that not only do BG's trade sex exclusively for money, but that this is the ideal situation
Perhaps you'll enlighten us to your views of why these girls do this work and what their feelings are towards it.
If Farangs really want to be considerate of Thais, accept that they don't think like you, view sex and money in a different way, and above all, that they are poor. Nor are they to be treated like children, who are to be tolerated and nurtured until they get around to the dizzying heights of being like us.
So who treats Thais like children then? Who is it that doesn't realise that they have different attitudes to sex and money? Most people who travel to places with different cultures are aware of these things, or come to realise them soon enough. As you rightly suggest, it would be arrogant and patronising to treat them in those ways.
When you say "the dizzying heights of being like us", what do you mean? Like Americans, British, Europeans? Like older Farangs, young ones, yobbos, cultured intellectuals, rich ones, poor ones?
That's right, lump all the Farangs together in the same way that you've lumped together all the BGs and Thais too.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:13 am on May 29, 2005
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