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What does her 'live-in' brother have to do with this?
She is free to see who she wants. Would NF stop seeing her if she had a thai boyfriend? If the answer is yes then I suggest he should stop seeing her..period.
If NF is just looking for a bit of fun then he should retain control of the situation. If he feels he can't then he should get out now.
Her reasons for not wanting to use a condom are irrelevant - if NF does not want to go bareback then he just says no!
For such a short term relationship I see no point in trying to analyse the TG's reasoning. If you are suspicious after a few dates then it is quicker and easier to just close the book on this one.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:53 pm on April 14, 2007
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NicFrenchy
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Thanks for the help guys,
No I haven't seen and don't want to see her appartment... I will be honest with her and Tell her I butterfly and want to keep the condom. If she's not happy with that, then I guess she can throw away my phone number 
Thanks
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:11 pm on April 14, 2007
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seajohn
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Quote: from DrLove on 3:00 am on April 15, 2007
Furthermore, a 'good' Thai girl doesn't have sex after meeting a farang a couple of times.
Oh, come out of the Dark Ages! 555
Thai girls in their 20's in BKK will do anyone after a few dates, no matter what the girl's job is. And if they won't do it after a few dates, they'll do it after a few more--the sexuality and feelings are too overpowering, especially for someone from this Culture. You know how Thai women go with their feelings... Good Girls, Bad Girls... Why do you think they're having dates in the first place? Where have you been the last few years?
Next, consider this: if Thai women who rent out their bodies for pleasure, and experience so many men, are willing to go without protection in the face of so many risks so often... well, what do you think the Thai women who work other jobs, without so much supposed risk, do for God's sake?
NicFrenchy, she probably doesn't want to use a condom for two reasons:
one) YES IT DOES feel better without one, just as she says!!!
two) She trusts you now (wasn't that easy) and would probably like your relationship to grow.
But guess what. Even if she doesn't know if your relationship will grow, she's willing to give it a shot because it feels better. Think of all the teenagers and uni students and 20-somethings in Thailand as I type--most of the ones having sex right now as I type--are going at it without condoms. They use the old Coitus Interruptus method to avoid pregnancy. Have you heard of it. It's not 100% successful, but that's what so many people of all ages around the world used before AIDS. So many still do, obviously.
Common Sense, a delicate thing that is much clearer in hindsight or if you're an observer to the situation, says that you should continue using a condom til you both get the proper checks.
I don't think you have to tell her you butterfly, unless you want to. Following that path you destroy the basis of most Thai relationships 555...
No, just tell her you want to keep using a condom til you get checked out. She might take it as a slight ("are suggesting I'm a dirty bird") but just be compassionate and explain the risks involved. Remember that her afluency with scientific ideas like germs and viruses is not as, shall we say, fixedly developed as yours. Thai education can't stand stand up to their feelings. Just, as I say, explain the risks, insist on them calmly and generously... and someday you or she or both of you, if you keep enjoying being together, can get checked out if you so wish.
If you don't get to that stage then you'll drift apart. Seems you may drift apart anyway, but who knows.
Remember, if you're kind and firm, you can enact the influence on her feelings that you wish too. You already have, to some extent (her willing sexual abandon with you), and now you just need to balance it in another direction.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:46 pm on April 14, 2007
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expatchuck
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If you are as old as I am (nearing 70), you could just do her bareback and not worry about it.
I would rather my tombstone read that I died of an advanced STD than a bad cold. Reputation and all! 
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:11 pm on April 14, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from seajohn on 12:31 pm on April 15, 2007
They use the old Coitus Interruptus method to avoid pregnancy. Have you heard of it. It's not 100% successful, but that's what so many people of all ages around the world used before AIDS. So many still do, obviously.
Seems also like a lot also use the old hit-and-run method of responsibility prevention -- have sex bareback with the girl; if she gets pregnant, ditch her, and repeat with another.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:16 pm on April 14, 2007
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Edge
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Frenchy,
Sounds like you got it right.
Honesty is a good thing for a farangs heart, often alien to a Thai's though. Better you keep with this truth and not lead her on.
I just thought the room might let you know if she is being as honest with you. There are a load of other little tell tale ways though if you get interested.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:50 am on April 15, 2007
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Sarge
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Quote: from seajohn on 12:31 pm on April 15, 2007
Quote: from DrLove on 3:00 am on April 15, 2007
Furthermore, a 'good' Thai girl doesn't have sex after meeting a farang a couple of times.
Oh, come out of the Dark Ages!
Thai girls in their 20's in BKK will do anyone after a few dates, no matter what the girl's job is. And if they won't do it after a few dates, they'll do it after a few more--the sexuality and feelings are too overpowering, especially for someone from this Culture. You know how Thai women go with their feelings... Good Girls, Bad Girls... Why do you think they're having dates in the first place? Where have you been the last few years?
Next, consider this: if Thai women who rent out their bodies for pleasure, and experience so many men, are willing to go without protection in the face of so many risks so often... well, what do you think the Thai women who work other jobs, without so much supposed risk, do for God's sake?
NicFrenchy, she probably doesn't want to use a condom for two reasons:
one) YES IT DOES feel better without one, just as she says!!!
two) She trusts you now (wasn't that easy) and would probably like your relationship to grow.
But guess what. Even if she doesn't know if your relationship will grow, she's willing to give it a shot because it feels better. Think of all the teenagers and uni students and 20-somethings in Thailand as I type--most of the ones having sex right now as I type--are going at it without condoms. They use the old Coitus Interruptus method to avoid pregnancy. Have you heard of it. It's not 100% successful, but that's what so many people of all ages around the world used before AIDS. So many still do, obviously.
Common Sense, a delicate thing that is much clearer in hindsight or if you're an observer to the situation, says that you should continue using a condom til you both get the proper checks.
I don't think you have to tell her you butterfly, unless you want to. Following that path you destroy the basis of most Thai relationships 555...
No, just tell her you want to keep using a condom til you get checked out. She might take it as a slight ("are suggesting I'm a dirty bird") but just be compassionate and explain the risks involved. Remember that her afluency with scientific ideas like germs and viruses is not as, shall we say, fixedly developed as yours. Thai education can't stand stand up to their feelings. Just, as I say, explain the risks, insist on them calmly and generously... and someday you or she or both of you, if you keep enjoying being together, can get checked out if you so wish.
If you don't get to that stage then you'll drift apart. Seems you may drift apart anyway, but who knows.
Remember, if you're kind and firm, you can enact the influence on her feelings that you wish too. You already have, to some extent (her willing sexual abandon with you), and now you just need to balance it in another direction.
sh*t man, I find myself in agreement with seajohn, I don't believe it.....
Seriously, I think he broadly said what I wanted to say and ain't much to add after his post other than to say that condom-less sex is the norm and freely practised in the Thai society outside the P4P scene. Also, in large cities, girls away from their provinces enjoy the freedom to explore their sexuality away from the scrutiny of their family & relatives. This is true around the world not just Thailand, I can cite stories witnessed/experienced in London, Sydney, Paris, Barcelona, Rome, Bogota, Berlin, Melbourne etc...
In BKK is VERY common to have sex after a couple of dates if the girl likes you. That is why I almost stopped using P4P scene after my 2nd trip in Thailand and now almost all my affairs are with standard girls. Ain't that difficult and immensely more rewarding than BGs. However DO use condom.
Everything else is (almost) as stated by seajohn
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:08 am on April 15, 2007
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NicFrenchy
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Very interesting points of view. Thank you for that.
I do not really want this relationship to grow, I privilege my career. I will be in Bangkok maybe another year, maybe 2 max so I want to have fun while I still can.
I would like to avoid getting suckered into the whole Baby thing LOL.
Now, this nice young girl can have a Thai (even Farang) boyfriend, I am fine with it since I am not the least serious about her.
She knows it, but maybe she hopes I change my mind.
As Daffy said, it is inevitable that I need to be honest and tell her the truth : I butterfly... a lot. The reviews I post here are not even the half of my mongering experiences 
She's a nice girl and deserves better than a career driven asshole like me... besides, she "knows" what to do to please a man, and that tells me she's had a Farang before me. Maybe she's already had a kid (However she looks like she didn't) and looking for support.
We'll see what happends when I see her next week
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:38 am on April 15, 2007
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james bond
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Quote: from nyc boy on 9:18 pm on April 14, 2007
that has to be the worst advice ever.
Wow calm down, I knew there was something you can put on a condom if the lady is feeling sore and thankyou Localyokul for pointing that out with Durex gel, don't need to flame me, only trying to help.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 3:44 am on April 15, 2007
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ColoradoGuy
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Well, I've never had a "real" TGF, and I never will, so I can't help you there.
But if you screw her without the condom, do it with the thought that she is also f***ing her Thai boyfriend without a condom, and also that Thai boyfriend is going to MPs and screwing p4p girls (with or without condoms). Also do it with the thought that any birth control she says she is taking is being flushed down the toilet before it hits her mouth.
Although all this might not be true, you'll have a better sense of what you are possibly getting into if you screw her without a condom.
And you are right that she is either not knowledgeable about STDs or she doesn't care about her health; this is because you tell her you are a butterfly and she still wants you not to use the condom.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:06 am on April 15, 2007
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