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Marco
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" She has X years of youth left and if she spends a part of it with you, after which you go back to your house in London, she is left with nothing. If you were married, you would have to pay alimony, so if its LTR, its fair for her to want something to save for herself. "
I cannot agree with this if we are talking about non P4P girls.
"What is in for the girl ?" well a normal girl do not enter a relationship for a financial profit but hopefully because of love.
And what is in for the boy ?
Please treat these girls as what they are : responsible adults that know what they are doing. They are not making a sacrifice by entering a relationship with a farang : they are entering an adult relationship that can last or break like any relationship. And if you are clear from the start that you may not marry them and that it is only a relationship, you do not owe them anything (which does not mean that you cannot be nice and generous). You give a budget for the household expenses and buy her what she wants from time to time like in a normal couple, that's it.
They are not P4Ps, they do not lose any income by staying with you, on the contrary they get the appartment food...etc.
I think it would be very offensive for the girl to be treated like a child or a "poor little thing". Poor little girl from a third world country, I abuse you and then I leave and you have nothing. Hell no ! These girls have jobs, they can be self sufficient financially and more importantly : they are proud of it.
Suggesting that she cannot make it without financial support from a boyfriend is IMO very offensive.
Treating a girl you pretend to love like a mia noi or a mistress is for me a lack of respect.
Of course if it is only "sexual companionship", you can play the sugar daddy and the monthly allowance makes sense.
On an other matter : are there any egal alimony to be paid if you divorce under the Thai law ? I have never heard of that and from my understanding girls do not expectfrom their Thai husbands
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Posted on: 10:38 pm on Feb. 6, 2003
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Simon WS
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Marco, Nobody said that she is a child or a 'poor little thing', so I don;t know what your point is.
As you say, she is a mature adult who can make her decisions and she HAS decided to ask for money! Will you now say that she does not have a right to ask for money or that is it immoral?
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Posted on: 10:53 pm on Feb. 6, 2003
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Yurune
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marco...you make good points....
It needs remembering....for some good girls the step to going out with a farang can be a big one....in many Thai people's eyes this labels her a whore already....to love 'em and leave 'em can be very damaging
I think Simon has made a good point is his thread regarding guys being players that farangs who come here for P4P, f_ck 'em and pay 'em are better than guys who try to culture the relationship because they want freebies and the leave with no care for the girl.
Of course they are grown ups....and should be treated as so....I'm a very firm believer in that (I will never tolerate the stupid pouting and games from them even if just conversing in a bar...), but of course there are cultural differences that muddy the water.
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Posted on: 11:00 pm on Feb. 6, 2003
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pitufonegro
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Don¥t give her that "pocket money". I agree with Marco, you don¥t owe her anything. Maybe she¥ll understand if you explain the situation with thai concepts: tell her that your mother¥s buffalo is dead. I¥m not joking.
Sorry for my english
-------Translation-----TraducciÛn------
No le des el "suelto". Estoy de acuerdo con Marco, no le debes nada. Quiz·s lo entienda si se lo explicas con conceptos tailandeses: dile que el b™falo de tu madre est· muerto. No es una broma.
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Posted on: 11:30 pm on Feb. 6, 2003
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BoomARang
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Nonchai - The first question I have is whether or not this is just an extended LT or do you guarentee a long term relationship with marriage at some point?
If it's just an extended LT, I think the going rate is about 1,000 baht a day plus you pay for everything.
If it is a long term relationship with marriage in the works at some point, here is what my girlfriend and I do.
She owns a small beauty shop up north in the Isarn province with two employees besides herself that nets about 100k a year plus her monthly salary of 10k.
After taxes and insurance deductions, I take the cost for our son's education here in Japan off the top of my take home pay.
We then combine our two monthly take home pay and divide it by half. We then add up our monthly expenses and divide that by half.
She pays her half of our combined expenses with her half and I do likewise. My salary is much higher but then again my expenses are much higher, just as both of her's are lower. What we each have left is ours to do with what we want although if we both agree, we will pool our respective private money for others things or projects.
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Posted on: 11:57 pm on Feb. 6, 2003
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Packripper
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There's no set answer. I'm a Thai bf....
For my regular girls, I only pay for dinner, movies, and gifts and get about the same return in gifts (you get her new mag wheels for her car, she buys you a Breitling for your birthday) and periodic sex to show they care.
For my working girls, I pay for everything. They'll pay for little gifts (you buy her a 27" TV, she buys you a 200 Baht throw pillow from Huay Kwang market) and unlimited sex to show they care.
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Posted on: 1:35 am on Feb. 7, 2003
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Simon WS
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I would also agree with Bomerang's post. The main point is that he very clearly strives to be fair to the girl. Again there is a factor of salary differentials. There is bound to be a difference in the perspective of people who have a full expat package and someone who is frankly admitting that he is not earning much. In such a case I would suggest honesty and fair play. You could offer 5K right now, I think that is fair given your and her relative financial position, but it would only be fair for you to increase it to 10 or so once you have a proper job. For a full expat job I would also recommend 1000 per day. Marco's point is also valid, if the girl feels shy in taking cash you can help her in some other way. The question is do you feel sufficient affection for her to want to spend.
Finally I would suggest that you read various related threads. You have much to gain if it works out but could also lose (mainly psychologically) if it doesn't. Generosity and patience are certainly important here.
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Posted on: 4:37 am on Feb. 7, 2003
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ringthebells
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paying your girlfriend 1000 baht per day?? IMHO that's insane. that's what the ATM's are doing.
pay for her housing and expenses, that's it .
rtb
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Posted on: 4:55 am on Feb. 7, 2003
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Simon WS
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Ring The Bells,
Go! Go! You Dog!
(just kidding)
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Posted on: 5:38 am on Feb. 7, 2003
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nonchai
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She is a true GF, and I would really like to see if we can live together and hopefully it will work out so we both feel we want to marry. We have been together for nearly 2 years and I never sponsored her from overseas although I paid for her to have English lessons one time. She in fact would phone me regularly as well as me - at her expense. But I do have some doubts which I think are natural given the huge cultural language differences etc, and am not 100% sure she is "right" for me - even putting the cultural stuff aside. I am a long term batchelor as well, so true LT ( in the real sense ) committment is new to me so I want to play it very careful. TGs to my experience are ready to "jump in" far too early. I know of some who got married after only a month. So although my intentions are serious it may all end in tears. Like many women she doesnt like the thought of a broken heart. We have been through a rough patch recently so she naturally has a side of her thinking I could just up it and go at the end of my proposed year here. That may well happen but I feel she so special that we should at least give it a try. But as she is nearly 40 she has to balance the "risk" with me versus her need to provide for her old age, and family. At that age and in my limited finances she has some hard choices to make and doesnt want to burn too many bridges. She is even thinking of going to Bahrain to save up for retirement - something I think could turn out very bad for her.
Anyway I think i've said enough.
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Posted on: 5:51 am on Feb. 7, 2003
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