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My understanding of how the British Embassy functions mirrors that of Yurune.
When I worked in The Philippines several guys wanted to take their partners over to the UK - only one was successful. Surprisingly? This was the guy who kept in regular contact with the embassy, explained at every step what his intentions were and made sure he always turned up with the papers the embassy requested. His application was a formality & the girl who dealt with him told him that they had made their mind up after the first meeting. The reason? There were no inconsistencies in his or his girlfriends explanations to the embassy staff.
At the same time another guy took his long time girlfriend through a similar process. His girlfriend did not take her birth certificate along & neglected to mention that she had a baby daughter (the embassy knew). Now there was nothing wrong with this in principle, but the embassy obviously then decided to dig a little further and to follow up on every detail. This took several months. The relationship failed before the embassy made a decision.
I think the embassy got it spot on in both cases.
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Posted on: 7:25 am on Dec. 22, 2003
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Hermanolobo
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Quote: from ringthebells on 8:08 pm on Dec. 22, 2003
of course, marry a BG immediately. get her visa and off to farangland.
great idea.
it will be a good idea for her.
somebody I know has a fixed plan to marry this bloke from the US, and to be back in LOS in less than 2 years, divorced and "rich".
no kidding.
of course stay together.
to save her face, you can always do a secret marriage in her village.
that's what I would do.
rtb.
Unfortunately your cynicism is totally correct and I suppose the Embassy seeing so many cases that fit into the category you describe become cynical also. Somewhere there is a menu of do's, don'ts, how to's, next moves, for BG's on how to get their farang.
Either this has already happened to you rtb or not yet. Your time to bite the dust must be soon. Nobody is immune to love or emotions.
Brother Wolf
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Posted on: 8:05 am on Dec. 22, 2003
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nokna
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i can only talk from my own experience.
i met a Girl,i wanted to be with her for the rest of my life.
i was naive,i didn't know how things worked but I was determined to have her with me.
but I was soon worn down by the establishment and to my disgrace (in my eyes) I gave up.
i was home in the UK and was in daily touch with the Embassy in BKK,many e-mails per day and on the phone 3 times a week.
i was asked if I could produce certain documents? (yes),could I prove certain things (yes).
then a question was asked and I knew the outcome straight away.
i was asked what my Girl done for a living and I knew I must not lie and said she worked in a Bar.
all I heard was the voice on the end of the phone saying "ah,she is a Bargirl..........."
the following silence was deafening and that was when I knew I had lost the chance of having the Girl with me in the UK.
i knew what they thought of my Girl.
i gave up and that is why I feel I let myself down by not carrying on.
all this finally stopped around 2 months ago and I do wish I had not stopped.
i know my experience is different to others and many people have been lucky to bring Thai Girls into the UK and I envy them so much.
i have lost my chance (and giving it away) of having someone I cared for so much with me.
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Posted on: 9:28 am on Dec. 22, 2003
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fastmover
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Yurune...."Whatever you may think it is about fulfilling the document requirements, not about opinion, essentially the Embassy staff do not form an opinion about the applicant other than if they are lying or not."
Absolutely true, for asians attempting to enter UK, Canada, and Australia. Its not about opinion, it's the facts on the paper.
I have personally helped 16 people into the above three countries from China, without a single failure, based primarily on grilling the applicants about the facts on the paper, and verifying documentation, before sending out the application.
Applications from all over the world pour into embassy and consulate offices. The staff at these offices don't have the time for opinions even after finding a lie. It's simple. Rejected! Next.
Nokna....I was once told by Canadian immigration staff, even after marrying the girl, "why did I bother, you won't see her able to immigrate to Canada from China for two or three years, if ever...".
But I knew that was just one guy talking. I got pissed and had it done in 8 months. I used the law and regulations passed in the immigration act of Canada, to remind the authorities that as a citizen I had the right to receive action based on the law. But I did that with elements of the law, and documentaion, not emotion.
I feel it is essential to be married first. Your commitment Nokna, was emotional, but not physically legal. There are always times when you feel you want to give up, but if you are married, it seems your rights are being infringed upon, so you fight harder.
If your not married, it breaks your heart. That makes it easier to quit. I am sorry for your situation, however, as you said, "i met a Girl, I wanted to be with her for the rest of my life." That life should perhaps have started with marriage, which in my opinion is the first step of the legal process of immigration for those in love.
Straight up...if you don't show your serious, you are going to have serious problems with immigration.
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Posted on: 11:14 am on Dec. 22, 2003
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Soi Magpie
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Ok...I shall give a bit of my background. I am actually from Singapore so I guess the distance do help a bit. It is easier for her to go home if she really miss it.
Also reading some of your troubles, I do find myself feeling better that some of you already been through my situation.
I could be a little naive thinking it is the right of every citizen to marry any girl they chose. If one of the embassy people were to ask me, what does the girl do for a living, I really would not know how to answer.WTF...whatever she done in the past is over, she is now my real GF and I would marry her if everything goes well.
Anyway, I have fallen in love with Thaigirls before but this is the first time I am seriously considering marrying. She is someone I can bring back to my parents. She does not have a baby (no offence but one of my own personal criteria). Still, I find its kinda of fast so bringing her back to stay with me for a while would be a better idea.
I also understand the thai culture and if her family knows about it, probably they will ask for marriage before they allow their daughter to come over so perhaps Ring the Bell suggestion of a secret marriage in the village sound good.
Right now...I have not really clear my mind on what to do as things had been happening very fast.
Still thanks for all the replies.
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Posted on: 11:35 am on Dec. 22, 2003
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Soi Magpie
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Quote: from nokna on 10:28 pm on Dec. 22, 2003
i can only talk from my own experience.
i met a Girl,i wanted to be with her for the rest of my life.
i was naive,i didn't know how things worked but I was determined to have her with me.
but I was soon worn down by the establishment and to my disgrace (in my eyes) I gave up.
i was home in the UK and was in daily touch with the Embassy in BKK,many e-mails per day and on the phone 3 times a week.
i was asked if I could produce certain documents? (yes),could I prove certain things (yes).
then a question was asked and I knew the outcome straight away.
i was asked what my Girl done for a living and I knew I must not lie and said she worked in a Bar.
all I heard was the voice on the end of the phone saying "ah,she is a Bargirl..........."
the following silence was deafening and that was when I knew I had lost the chance of having the Girl with me in the UK.
i knew what they thought of my Girl.
i gave up and that is why I feel I let myself down by not carrying on.
all this finally stopped around 2 months ago and I do wish I had not stopped.
i know my experience is different to others and many people have been lucky to bring Thai Girls into the UK and I envy them so much.
i have lost my chance (and giving it away) of having someone I cared for so much with me.
Sorry Nokna to hear about what happened to you. If it were to happen to me, I really wouldnt know what to do. Thanks for sharing.
It seem it is going to be a long hard road.
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Posted on: 11:39 am on Dec. 22, 2003
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Soi Magpie
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Quote: from fastmover on 12:14 am on Dec. 23, 2003
I feel it is essential to be married first. Your commitment Nokna, was emotional, but not physically legal. There are always times when you feel you want to give up, but if you are married, it seems your rights are being infringed upon, so you fight harder.
If your not married, it breaks your heart. That makes it easier to quit. I am sorry for your situation, however, as you said, "i met a Girl, I wanted to be with her for the rest of my life." That life should perhaps have started with marriage, which in my opinion is the first step of the legal process of immigration for those in love.
Straight up...if you don't show your serious, you are going to have serious problems with immigration.
I do understand what you are trying to put across about the legal part but if you cant stay with the girl for a long period, how to get to the married part. I know staying together in the same country may not be essential to get married and hence my question in my first posting.
One of the reason I wanted her to come with me was because I am serious and I wanted to know if she can really get used to staying in my home country. I also wanted her to get away from her working town so that the influence and temptation will not get the better of her.
Perhaps she going back to her hometown would be another option though it cannot be a long term solution.
Best is still for her to come stay with me.
And does that mean I have to marry her first?
Ok...sorry guys if I am not making sense...this is a confusing period for me. I have to sort out my thoughts.
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Posted on: 11:44 am on Dec. 22, 2003
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fastmover
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Soi Magpie........first, this is only my opinion, but if you take her home with you before marriage, she has no firm ground to stand on. Since you are not married, even if she is with you at your home, she still is in a greatly unsettled state for an asian woman.
If she is married, she has something to work with, a base. Then if she has touble coping in your world she can fallback on that base and regroup. She is at least a wife and has a husband.
Having looked for my own situation, Thai marriage regulations will allow you to marry if you both meet the requirements, which are none to serious Heading back home without your bride is very tough, (I did it), but the energy you get to complete the job is huge.
A key thing though is, do you have her cooperation and will she support you in the process. If you don't both cooperate in this first test...how good will the marriage be.
You have to decide for yourself in the end.
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Posted on: 12:00 pm on Dec. 22, 2003
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Soi Magpie
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Quote: from fastmover on 1:00 am on Dec. 23, 2003
Having looked for my own situation, Thai marriage regulations will allow you to marry if you both meet the requirements, which are none to serious Heading back home without your bride is very tough, (I did it), but the energy you get to complete the job is huge.
A key thing though is, do you have her cooperation and will she support you in the process. If you don't both cooperate in this first test...how good will the marriage be.
You have to decide for yourself in the end.
Thanks for your advise. However, marriage could work the other way as she might not regroup even if for the fact that we are married, then I would have to end up with a messy divorce.
Some questions about your posting I didnt quite catch.
What do you mean by both meet the requirements...do you mean whether I can afford to maintain her? I would probably have to check whether my country will make it difficult even if they know she is a working girl before without much education. What I have heard from friends is as long as she never works in Singapore before (which she have not) then it should not have a problem but its all hearsay.
When you mentioned you did it meaning you left her behind at her village and maintain the relationship through long distance?
And finally what do you mean by her co-operation? At this moment, she seems to be very willing to come stay with me as I did promise her she can visit her family often which I feel a girl even married is entitled to.
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Posted on: 1:38 pm on Dec. 22, 2003
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Yurune
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Nokna
Being a bar girl can be neither here nor there if the case is presented properly. You gave in too easy. There are many bar girls in the UK, just try the Thai temple on Songkran.
You talked too much to them, never volunteer information they don't need to know. Submit your application with all correct paper and wait for the interviews.
I did offer to help you...you chose to turn me down....I think I know more about it than you...reckon we'd have got her in no sweat....but in my opinion you gave up too easy. You were the one who refused the application not they. You decided you knew what they would say, when speaking to a person who may not even be involved in the decision making process (those that make the decisions do not answer telephones).
So the conclusion is they are tarring her in such a way, when the reality is you are assuming...or to put it another way the UK Embassy is being accused of being prejudice about an application they never actually received.
Get over to Thailand and try again properly, you went 100% the wrong way about it.
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Posted on: 1:43 pm on Dec. 22, 2003
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