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Chompoo
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Quote: from haam sup on 7:32 am on Feb. 6, ...
Actually, upon reflection I find it impossible to reconcile this post with haam sup's crusade for BG privacy.
Apparently HS says we should all live by our own code of ethics and not try to impose our ethical standards on others. Yet clearly (as another 40 page thread would tell you) my ethics say that it is okay to post a BGs name. However, HS does not accept that I am living up to my own ethical code in doing so and feels the need to berate me endlessly over this.
Further he notes that ethics in greater Thai society do not apply to the nightlife scene. Yet he tries to hold this forum of whoremongers to the highest Western ethical standard.
We are not allowed to take an action that has the slightest chance of damaging a BG, even when we are being honest. Yet the BGs are beyond reproach even when they use fraud to intentionally take advantage of others.
Would anyone care to clarify for me why HS thinks it's okay to try to hold members of this board to his personal ethical standard, yet it is not okay for me (in his eyes) to criticize when a BG goes over the line and ask that others not so easily condone such actions?
I think it would be quite trivial for me to change a few words in HS's post and use it in response to his BG privacy crusade.
That is the essence of hypocrisy.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:54 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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jjsushi
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Quote: from Chompoo on 9:17 am on Feb. 6, 2003
Just admit that it is wrong. The girl is committing fraud and there is absolutely no real justification for it. It's very simple.
I'm not asking you to go slap the girl around, just admit that it's wrong. Because it absolutely, positively, unquestionably is. If you condone or abet girls like this, then you are contributing to the problem.
No, it it is not as simple as stating that her telling lies is right or wrong. To you it may a black and white situation however to me it is grey.
Justification is dependent on whose point of view you are using to look at the situation. Her actions maybe justified in her eyes but unjustified in yours.
You want to condemn the young lady because she told lies about her affection to men and those men believing her send her money. That is not right or wrong in my book that is just the way things are, the reality.
What would be a a clear cut right and wrong issue in my book is if we agreed upon a certain fee for her services and she did not perform the services or she changed her fee. That is what breaks the contract.
Telling me she loves me and asking me to send her money while she is banging another guy is not stealing nor is it fraud( usually you need the INTENT to injure, harm or break the law and in this situation there is none). IMO it is deceit.
Do I like to be deceived? No. Is it wrong to deceive? Depends on the situation. Is it right to decieve? Depends on the situation. Was this girl wrong to deceive? Depends on who is judging and from my view I wouldn't call it clear cut wrong nor would I call it clear cut right.
Like I mentioned before you want to debate what prostitutes "should" do and how the business "should" be conducted. The day Disney takes over is the day you may get your wish.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 8:54 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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haam sup
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Quote: from Kryptonite on 9:45 am on Feb. 6, 2003
Once again a classic case of some people taking something WAY too far.
Kill this thread before it turns into a monster.
Krypt (and others),
What worries you so? ÝIs there more to be said about girls being players? ÝDo you consider this a waste of bandwidth? ÝIs it YOUR nickel?
I'm not being nasty, just wondering what is so threatening. ÝIs there a delicate balance being upset somewhere?
haam sup
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:58 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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Chompoo
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Of course, keeping your distance is a good option. ÝBut being so bound up in trying to influence (by reward, or punishment) others' behavior is a recipe for boorishness, and ineffectual in any case.
Well, I also vote, I'm polite to people I meet in everyday life, and I' embarrassed to say I even recycle. All things that I'm sure are completely ineffectual.
Really, how is one vote, one can, or one "have a nice day" going to change the world?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:58 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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haam sup
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One wonders why Chompoo resorts to obfuscation, in the form of bringing up an unrelated thread, rather than addressing the current one. ÝCan anybody explain this to me?
Also, can anyone tell my why Chompoo fails to see the distinction between advocacy on a discussion forum, and holding "this forum of whoremongers to the highest Western ethical standard."
Clearly this is the essence of deliberate obtuseness.
haam sup
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:05 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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haam sup
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Quote: from Chompoo on 9:58 am on Feb. 6, 2003
Of course, keeping your distance is a good option. ÝBut being so bound up in trying to influence (by reward, or punishment) others' behavior is a recipe for boorishness, and ineffectual in any case.
Well, I also vote, I'm polite to people I meet in everyday life, and I' embarrassed to say I even recycle. All things that I'm sure are completely ineffectual.
Really, how is one vote, one can, or one "have a nice day" going to change the world?
First, clearly there is a difference between the admirable (in my view) voting, politeness, and recycling YOURSELF, and the berating of others for not behaving the same way. ÝLeading by example seems to work well. ÝShoving your opinions down others' throats, particularly in Thailand, is, well, inadvisable. And, why not extend that professed politeness to this forum (and others).
Of course, there's the issue of who made you King.
And lastly, I will concede that abrasiveness may change the world, but not necessarily in the intended way.
haam sup
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:11 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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Chompoo
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No, it it is not as simple as stating that her telling lies is right or wrong. To you it may a black and white situation however to me it is grey.
Justification is dependent on whose point of view you are using to look at the situation. Her actions maybe justified in her eyes but unjustified in yours.
This approach can be used to justify any kind of fraud, even violence. Which is why it is invalid.
You want to condemn the young lady because she told lies about her affection to men and those men believing her send her money. ÝThat is not right or wrong in my book that is just the way things are, the reality.
Telling me she loves me and asking me to send her money while she is banging another guy is not stealing nor is it fraud( usually you need the INTENT to injure, harm or break the law and in this situation there is none). ÝIMO it is deceit.
It is clearly fraud. Did you read the notes? Deception with the intent of gaining money or property is the very definition of fraud. This is clearly illegal and would warrant at least a civil lawsuit. Most courts wouldn't want to touch it, but it is most certainly fraud. The INTENT is clearly to injure, in that she is asking for money that he would not give had he known the truth. If a guy pretending to be monk asks for $10,000 for an orphanage and I give it to him, that is a fraud. Maybe he feels justified in that deception, but it is still fraud. What is the difference in these two cases?
What would be a a clear cut right and wrong issue in my book is if we agreed upon a certain fee for her services and she did not perform the services or she changed her fee. That is what breaks the contract.
How is that different? This girl has given the implicit promise of marrying the guy and having his babies. If she says that in good faith then it is justified. Not to mention that in many cases the girl explicitly contracts not to sleep with any other men. Since she certainly has no intentions of fulfilling that promise she has broken the contract and should return all the money.
Like I mentioned before you want to debate what prostitutes "should" do and how the business "should" be conducted. The day Disney takes over is the day you may get your wish.
Come on, you do the same thing. Should a bar put extra chits in your cup? Should a girl tell you if she is on her period before going LT with you? Should I pay the girl what we contracted for?
It is hypocrisy for you to ridicule my desire for ethical standards (which are not impossibly high, even for BGs), when you have your own, just at a much lower level.
Perhaps some people prefer to tolerate this low ethical standard because it allows them freedom to behave unethically. That certainly seems to be the case for many.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:17 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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Chompoo
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One wonders why Chompoo resorts to obfuscation, in the form of bringing up an unrelated thread, rather than addressing the current one. ÝCan anybody explain this to me?
Also, can anyone tell my why Chompoo fails to see the distinction between advocacy on a discussion forum, and holding "this forum of whoremongers to the highest Western ethical standard."
Clearly this is the essence of deliberate obtuseness.
So I take it then that you have no way to explain your hyopcrisy? Why is it okay for you to enforce your ethical code on us and yet you find offense when I comment on the lack of ethics of a particular BG? This is not obfuscation, it is just another avenue of approach to disprove your mindless ramblings.
I bring up the other thread to point out that you have no real argument to make and are just here for the sport of taking shots at me. You call me a troll, yet that is exactly what you are doing since you apparently have nothing to add to this thread.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:23 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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haam sup
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"Perhaps some people prefer to tolerate this low ethical standard because it allows them freedom to behave unethically."
My EXACT point is/was that integrity PRECLUDES the 'sliding scale' of ethics. ÝSince you are playing in someone else's sandbox, you have no choice BUT to tolerate their level of ethics. ÝBut integrity is DEFINED as acting according to your OWN ethics, not sinking to someone else's.
You always have the option of not playing, or starting your own game elsewhere. ÝIt would be interesting to see how many people show up 
haam sup
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:29 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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jjsushi
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Quote: from Chompoo on 10:17 am on Feb. 6, 2003
No, it it is not as simple as stating that her telling lies is right or wrong. To you it may a black and white situation however to me it is grey.
Justification is dependent on whose point of view you are using to look at the situation. Her actions maybe justified in her eyes but unjustified in yours.
This approach can be used to justify any kind of fraud, even violence. Which is why it is invalid.
You want to condemn the young lady because she told lies about her affection to men and those men believing her send her money. ÝThat is not right or wrong in my book that is just the way things are, the reality.
Telling me she loves me and asking me to send her money while she is banging another guy is not stealing nor is it fraud( usually you need the INTENT to injure, harm or break the law and in this situation there is none). ÝIMO it is deceit.
It is clearly fraud. Did you read the notes? Deception with the intent of gaining money or property is the very definition of fraud. This is clearly illegal and would warrant at least a civil lawsuit. Most courts wouldn't want to touch it, but it is most certainly fraud. The INTENT is clearly to injure, in that she is asking for money that he would not give had he known the truth. If a guy pretending to be monk asks for $10,000 for an orphanage and I give it to him, that is a fraud. Maybe he feels justified in that deception, but it is still fraud. What is the difference in these two cases?
What would be a a clear cut right and wrong issue in my book is if we agreed upon a certain fee for her services and she did not perform the services or she changed her fee. That is what breaks the contract.
How is that different? This girl has given the implicit promise of marrying the guy and having his babies. If she says that in good faith then it is justified. Not to mention that in many cases the girl explicitly contracts not to sleep with any other men. Since she certainly has no intentions of fulfilling that promise she has broken the contract and should return all the money.
Like I mentioned before you want to debate what prostitutes "should" do and how the business "should" be conducted. The day Disney takes over is the day you may get your wish.
Come on, you do the same thing. Should a bar put extra chits in your cup? Should a girl tell you if she is on her period before going LT with you? Should I pay the girl what we contracted for?
It is hypocrisy for you to ridicule my desire for ethical standards (which are not impossibly high, even for BGs), when you have your own, just at a much lower level.
Perhaps some people prefer to tolerate this low ethical standard because it allows them freedom to behave unethically. That certainly seems to be the case for many.
I clearly have to abandon ship at this conjecture. You and I have reached an impasse.
You don't seem to understand the differences between stealing, fraud and lying/deceit. You also confuse your arguments of morals and ethics with law.
You insist on applying examples of legal rationale in the form or tort, civil and criminal law to a situation in which they are not warranted because the young lady works in an environment which is illegal to begin with.
Not understanding this basic premise prevents you from comprehending that the same moral and ethical behavior that you expect and experience in mainstream society that uses law as a recourse for social problems cannot be applied to a business that exists and thrives in a realm of illegality.
Thanks for the debate.
Adios!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:39 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
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