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Skywalker
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Kev,
I think your correct and very neutral in your outlook of different people in the world, but if some of you will allow I have a few questions and/or maybe observations.
Firstly an observation, ÝTPE sorry to single you out but its best for this point. I realise that you probably see more negative examples of the bad side of human nature in so much as guys being hugely taken advantage of from your line of work, but again this is an example that can be made of any human being in any part of the world. But I understand that your view would probably overtime become somewhat obscured by what you have to observe and witness?
However I don't see any reason why because a person is uneducated (usually due to lack of opportunity rather than ability especially in Thailand or from a poor social standing whatever that actually means)it should or does have any bearing on them as genuine or decent human beings?
I have known many wealthy men finally marry women that fall into this category as they have hadÝ far greater heart and soul than many rich, shallow and inwardly ugly women that would appear more suited, would ever hope to obtain in a million years! Some of which have spent a kings ransom to discover, but thankfully did so in the end! This belittlement IMHO adds little in a positive light toÝthis discussion, nor has it as I said any bearing on a persons decency.
Secondly,
With family such a huge part and priority in Thailand why does it appear so many Thai men (I think Arcadius touched on this) never want to be married in family life?
It just appears strange to me the paradox with the central and pivotal role of the family in their culture.
Any other views in this area would be fascinating TPE and my first observation I hope you can take in the positive light as an observation nothing more as it appears to be an underlying current on the board not just something you seem to repeat about TG's. It's just this western attitude, with what were responsible for in the world past and present just doesn't sit well with me.
Regards
S.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:07 pm on May 26, 2003
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Ballsburstin
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Sky,
Coupla things. I too would be somewhat baffled with the waywardness of Thai men, given the role of family in their culture, but then I think, "damn, how could I grow up around all these beautiful ladies and not go crazy?" Too much temptation, and the heart is weak, hehehe ...
Second, I can't speak for TPE, but I have never interpreted his views to be negatively colored by his work. In fact, he seems to revel in the culture and the ladies, and to be at peace with himself at the moment. He has also helped me, by PM, sort out some problems my TGF was having (not with me) at her apartment. So I view him as very grounded, and my opinions about the culture aren't much different. For example, I view his comment "my TG from a dubious background, but nonetheless street smart and with plenty of character" as upbeat and positive.
Anway, my two cents. Cheers!
- Balls
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 1:29 pm on May 26, 2003
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Skywalker
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Balls,
Thanks for yourÝtwo cents worth!!!
I have read many of tpe's posts and respect his opinion in a field he knows more about than most of us put together, you have chosen to take it in a positive light I on the otherhand took it on the complete flipside! Ý
However after reading it again you are probably correct. I must also admit that your point in regard to growing up surrounded by so many beautiful ladies hadn't crossed my mind!!!!!!!!!
Apologies to all the Thai men I just insulted for lack of character if not street smart shrewdness!!!
Viny I to was wondering if there was an update on your friend?
Regards
S.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:14 pm on May 26, 2003
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I am amazed and somewhat honoured to see how this thread has progressed. It makes incredible reading and in general appears to me to be written 'from the heart' of most brothers. For that I thank you all............
And so, back to my friends situation:
Firstly, let me say we have known each other for 3 years. We met in London, he is Italian (but has lived in UK for 18 yrs), and I am born and bred UK (sorry guys).
His name is Gab, and yes he decided to go ahead and build a house (on land owned by his TGF), as it appeared to be the only way possible with the law of 'farrangs can't own Thai land' The house is now finished, and although I have not had a chance to visit it yet, it looks beautiful (from photographs). The house is located in a village between Udon Thani and Sakon Nakon (excuse my spellings), North East Thailand, approx 100kms from the LAOS border.
So, he has paid for this house to be built, and now back in the UK, is of course working and saving for the next trip LOS. Money, he doesn't have, so it's a case of coming back to the UK, earning (whilst trying not to spend) and then heading back out there.
His G/F (Ann), lives in the house now, in the village with her 3 yr old daughter, and her Mother stays there also.
Anyway, Gab, who has now taken an interest in this thread, but is not PC literate, asks me to try and give you his feelings on the matter: So here we go: [His words - my typing]
I first went to LOS in Jan 2002 and, even after a few hours of the first day, I just felt that I wanted to live here. Yes, I went to Patpong (that 1st night) - mainly because it was there! I met my G/F (now wife - might tell more later), that 1st evening. Yes, it was in a bar - and she approached me, and well you can imagine the rest for that night.
3 days later I phoned her, and we met up again, then we spent the next week mostly together, and she showed me around Bangkok. By this time, I had a gut feeling she was a 'special' girl.
We then headed to the Islands and other parts of Thailand had a lovely time for about 2 weeks, and then I went to Chiang Mai and Cambodia for a couple of weeks with some UK friends. On my return to BKK I spent another couple of weeks with Ann, including a spell in her village! I then returned to UK, to sort out some housing as I had sold my flat in the UK some 3 months earlier.
With my mate I bought a house in the North of England then I returned to Thailand agin in July for two months, and during this time, went to Anns village, and decided to offer to pay for a house to be built there for Ann and I. Ann then arranged for builders etc, and by the end of this trip the wood-house was nearly built. Ann now lives in it with her daughter and mother and of course I will go there on my subsequent trips. one day I hope to be able to afford to stay at least 6 months each year. The profit from the sale of my flat allowed me to build the house in Thailand, about £5000, and also to buy a house with my friend in a much cheaper part of the UK than London.
So now, back in the UK, working to pay for my next trip there, hopefully by September or October, I have just the photos of my house there, and the thought of Ann being happy with her child there. I send her the occasinal small amount of money to help her be able to stay in the house and not have to return to a BKK bar whilst I am away.
Emotions: I believe I love Ann, her daughter and her country. it gives me something really wonderful to look forward to, to return there, whilst struggling to earn a living in the UK.
I think I say enough for now...............
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Posted on: 5:31 pm on May 26, 2003
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Skywalker
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Hi Vinny/Gab,
I read your post and I must say I was a little choked, I wish you all the best with everything Gab, however this ends up you moved me with your strength of character, charity, love and humanity for another.
It's one thing to put yourself in this situation when head over heels with a view of paradise through the rose tinted spectacles, being removed for many months working in the UK and yet still seeing things it appears, with aÝpragmatic realism,Ýthe courage and strength to dream as I think you do and have are quite incredible virtues.ÝYour living it mate and I thank you at the very Ýleast for making such a positive difference to my day with this story.
In my humble opinion It's the kind of situation one should never look back at and want to change or regret and I don't think you ever will.
"Life is just a mirror, and what you see out there, you must first see inside of you."
Wally 'Famous' Amos
Regards
Sky.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:53 pm on May 26, 2003
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goodtrip13
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I've just read through the entire thread and I have a new angle...
Since discovering BKK at age 18 I have been a regular and faithful patron of the bar scene whenever I was in town. Label me a butterfly, you'd be correct.
I moved to BKK a number of months ago, did I hit the bars?
I had no plan of falling for a TG, BG or not, but over a few months got to know a regular at one of the beer bars. Initially I did the BF LT thing... after a while she started calling me saying that she just wanted to see me, NO MONEY REQUIRED.
I'm gonna say no?
We started "dating", seeing movies, shopping, etc. and she would stay over. ÝI knew her line of work, knew her baggage, but I liked her company, her conversation, her friendship - a lot - and was happy to continue at this level.
"Luckily" for her she had managed to build relationships with a few guys who would send her xxK plus baht a month for occasional visits. Clearing xxK+ a month, she was able to leave the bar scene and is now looking to study.
No longer working (full time) she has been spending more time with me and has moved in to my apartment.
I get tied up inside each time one of her "customers" visits and she is gone for days, but I love her, I knew the scene when I met her, I know I cannot fulfill her financial requirements, so I continue along. I wanna marry her, I have told her this. I just am not financially viable (yet).
Am I being a bastard or a sucker or both?
A lot of friends have advised me "There is no such thing as an ex-bargirl - EVER." Do you believe there is such a thing as an ex-butterfly? I have been faithful to her the last few months even when she has been working. Surprised myself even.
Where this is going I have no idea. I have hope, but no idea.
When you're surfing you don't fight the wave, you ride it.
goodtrip13
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:58 am on May 27, 2003
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thaiprivateeye
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Without doubt, Skywalker, yes, I am pretty cynical towards most TGs, - and I doubt you will find a long term Ex-pat who isnt ... but I dont knock them for what they do, I just point out that things are different here, when you get old, you dont get a pension, and these days the temple wont even take you, so you need your family, hence part of the reason Thais do like to have kids .. As to equating Education with morals.... that sure is not me ; the biggest rip-offs i have witnessed, thats is, TGs getting Millions of baht from farangs, has come from Educated, so called "higher class" Thai women, who for some reason, because she didnt work in a bar, and in fact looks down on such people, the guys think she wont two time them ...... silly mistake ! Of course no generalisations, likewise, for many reasons, yes, it is hard for the TG to leave the bar scene, easy money, lifestyle, drug/alcohol addiction and the friendship of similar minded workers is something that is hard to break away from ... but it does happen, and finaly, a word to Gab - best of luick, you have done a smart thing getting her a home, and some security out of bangkok, and she has done a wise thing taking advantage of your offer - if/when you do move here, or go ahead and marry, and when you are comfortable with it, I suggest you have a child ... No better looking/sharper kids in the world than a Luk krung !!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:34 am on May 27, 2003
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kev29ie
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Hi Vinny/Gab,
Hope all continues on the up and up. I head out to LOS every year (Havent yet hot the Bar Scene, but plan to this year). There are ways of financing trips that make the cost a lot easier to bear (eg buying courier flights - organsing imports for thai goods shops in your area - all legit stuff). Drop me a mail if you want some info
kev29ie@eircom.net
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:45 am on May 27, 2003
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Skywalker
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TPE,
Thanks for the reply, it was interesting to read your remarks in regard to so called higher class women, as I have always found this to be the case in my own native land, however their are no doubt plenty who are not as we describe, I've just never met one!!!!! Ý
I guess really that was all I was getting at here, just that regardless of race/background or occupation everyone is treated in the same light with the same respect and worth. ÝSure in relation to the majority of posts on this forum women provide a service which is paid for but still deserve to be treated as anyone else when outside the fantasy situations they are engaged in!!
It's nice to see I had totally misinterpreted your comments in a couple of recent posts and apologise for suggesting you were from such narrow minded and shallow standing as to judge someone as described earlier!
I hope therefore that I can put further questions to the board or in PM with regard to thai culture/women etc, (in the relevant section of course)! and that you may still feel able to not only enlighten myself, but no doubt others here when time allows.
Regards
Sky.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:02 pm on May 27, 2003
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thaiprivateeye
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Sky'r
We all have, and of course are entitled to, our opinions, and I admit, that re any Thai woman found/seen out in LOS after midnight, regardless of her alleged background, I am perhaps overly cynical .... But as those who know me will all confirm, I just call things how I see them, - and am the first to admit I dont always get it right !
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:47 am on May 28, 2003
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