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Hugh Jardon
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Dutch, I did read your post again and I fail to see where I misinterpreted what you said. If I did, then I apologise. But the implication was that you paid either 300 or 500 bt for full sex and possibly other little delights.
Stop wriggling and admit it. You are a cheapskate. The fact that you argue that these are trained professionals and actresses actually weakens your argument. Surely you must realise that as professionals offering a service, there is a going rate?
As I said, next time, get the girl to cost out each part of her services to you and if you want to pay her 500 baht, you might just about get a blow job.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:30 am on Mar. 13, 2005
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Dutch
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Like I said, in BBK the going rate (offered to me at least) for ST is 500-1000. Since we only negotiated LT (1500) I guess it was up to me what the ST rate was, so I payed on the low spectrum of what I usualy pay.
Am I a cheapskate becouse I take girls ST when they offer to go for that price? I wouldnt think so.
So it comes down to paying her 500 instead of the 1K she usualy gets for ST.
Well she allready made money on 4 ladydrinks and probably barfine. Now she's off to the next customer who will most likely pay the Lt fee again, while I need to get a new girl witch cost me another 1500.
So let me get this straight, becouse now the girl makes 2000 bath and I pay 2000 while both agreeing to 1500 I'm a cheapskate?
I realy cant see your logic in that.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:13 pm on Mar. 13, 2005
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Holy Saint
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I have had more issues with go go girls which I've never had with freelancers or beer bar girls not living up to their part of the deal. It was very clear that I wanted long time (sleep) or whatever you want to call it and some have come up with some story of how sister is sick, school in the morning or whatever. You can give the girl the benefit of the doubt I guess but to me it's usually devious or maybe she didn't like me. I have to think it is more to the devious business side than anything.
I think alot of go go girls get hardened more so than the freelancers and beer bar girls at an exceptionally fast rate. They hear from the other ones how if they don't want to go overnight, and the customer insists that to just agree and then tell them one of the many sob stories to get out of it and collect hopefully the agreed long time fee or something for the short time. The woman is trying to save face by making up some story than tell the truth that she never intended to stay long time.
I have received and hopefully given back good info from many of the people here on this message board, but I don't get it sometimes how some will go flame out a brother who is trying to actually correct a problem. That problem is a business deal gone bad intentionally imho by one of the parties involved. This bad business partner selfishly agreed to a deal knowing she would not complete it, and in so doing puts the other partner out for time and aggravation in that he thought he had a long term arrangement (overnight) and then finds himelf in an awkward situation that must be rectified where the other party is not willing to complete agreed upon terms.
Now people here are bashing this member for being a cheap charlie for not giving this person the going rate or really the higher rate of a short time depending on venue and mentioning the poor thai business party who backed out on agreed deal. Now really is he the blame or are the people who have had this happened to them and so willingly just paid the going rate for the short time without putting in some penalty for a business deal gone bad?
I mean, didn't this bad deal affect the member in that now what he thought was a deal for an overnight arrangement was really a lie all the time to milk him of his money and not allow him to pick someone else instead of her. It's a con to me. It is selfish. I fully understand they are there to make money to send some of it to their families. But does that mean they have to make a joke of a business deal? I think this is a learned trade because so many have been able to get away with it that they teach the others to do it.
I have seen so much bashing on this member because he felt that she should get the low end of the spectrum of the short time rate of 500 baht and now they use some con phrase made by working thai women and call him a "cheap charlie". He was more than willing to pay a going rate earlier for the agreed upon deal but she broke off the deal that she most likely never planned to fulfill.
Would these members who have blasted such people for being what they called "cheap charlies" who got shafted by a thai prostitute take it so lightly if they got shafted by a thai man running a legit or non legit business trying to support his family where he made a deal that he never planned to fulfill but expected payment for the going rate of what work he did do? I'm not here to judge, but I don't think the other members should either so I'm putting out the question are you sure you aren't being a little too judgemental on this member or for me on that matter after this is posted?
Isn't this woman who most likely agreed to an overnight knowingly knew she would not do so, putting this member or anybody else for that matter in a predicament which is pretty much wrong? Do you not see anything wrong on her part? Should she really expect to get paid for a full short time rate when she put the other party out on time, money invested in drinks, barfine and the short time, and that doesn't include actual time spent on making the deal, doing the deal and then having to find another deal and the money spent to complete the second deal?
If you are happy on giving her full pay for a short time with no ramifications on her part, then I can accept that. But I can also accept someone giving her actually a little less since there is a loss on the other party to the business deal. Actually there is quite a bit of loss in many ways to the other party, where the working thai woman gets exactly what she wants through a lie. She gets him to take her and pay her for the duration she had planned all along even though she agreed to a longer duration and whatever that usually includes.
Would you be willing to pay a thai man the full going rate for a job 1/3 or 1/2 done when they agreed to do the whole job knowing afterwards they never planned to fulfill their end of the deal? If not, are you a "cheap charlie" or are you someone who is sticking up for principals?
Now I also understand that some of you will pay the going rate, because you fear that she will send some people to make you pay one way or another or that there will be some type of ramifications in a physical or monetary way. If you fear that, then it probably makes sense to pay the going rate. If someone doesn't fear that, who doesn't live in Thailand especially, that person could in a way by paying her less than the normal short time rate for said venue be sending a message to the working thai women that this sort of action is not acceptable. And maybe just maybe this practice would not be so prevalent.
My apologies for the long post, but I think some of the opinions or more flames do nothing but hurt the future of P4P in Thailand when the punters should hold as many of the cards as possible rather than give them away.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:13 am on Mar. 14, 2005
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harold444
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maybe bkk tonight should enable pictures..........i really want to see what you guys get for 1000 long time or 500 short time............lol
wsg has pictures and have I yet to see a better than average looking thai girl.........
ps I know beauty is in the eyes of the beholder......but,for example, does anybody think janet reno or martha stewart is hot
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:03 am on Mar. 14, 2005
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Hugh Jardon
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Holy Saint
I do not argue with the general principles that you raise, nor with those made by Dutch. Flaming is not the right word to use for a disagreement over a matter of opinion either.
What needs to be accepted though, is that there is a ST rate and a LT rate that is applicable to the various places that P4P is available. There are different rates for GoGos, Beer Bars, MP girls and for FLs. There are also different rates that apply to these Girls in Pattaya, Phuket, Samui, Chiang Mai etc. Other factors that might affect the rates are the desirability of the girl, the time of day, what is required by the punter, etc.
GoGo ST rates in Bangkok are typically 1000 bt ST at least. 500bt is more appropriate to a FL who is older and uglier than normal, late at night. Whether this girl had a genuine reason for reneging on the original deal or not is a moot point. These rates are available on this forum, if anybody cared to look.
But I'm presuming that Dutch did dip his wick at least once, possibly had oral, either given, received or both and that she was with him for a couple of hours.
If he considers that all that is worth just 500 baht, then good luck to him.
If the consequences are that he can't find another girl from that establishment to go with him, because this girl told her friends, then so be it. Otherwise a future consequence might be that he could face face a dreadfully embarassing scene at his hotel.
Perhaps he is striking a blow for all the rest of us and we should all be grateful for the principled stand that he has taken.
On the other hand, perhaps he is giving his fellow countrymen a bad name as cheap charlies. Who knows?
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So let me get this straight, becouse now the girl makes 2000 bath and I pay 2000 while both agreeing to 1500 I'm a cheapskate?
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Of course, the 1500 bt that he pays for another girl has nothing to do with the first transaction and should not be used in his argument as to whether or not he is a cheapskate. If he indulged in all of the activities that I mentioned, over a two hour period, for just 500bt, then I stand by my original opinion.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:38 am on Mar. 14, 2005
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manowar
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I think what Dutch needs in future is to have an American lawyer write up a "performance" contract based on current prevalent international laws. Spell out every concievable events with various penalty clause attached. Have the girl sign it in the American Embassy with a public notary present before taking her back to his place. If she negates on anything whatsoever, then sue her in NY or SF (only places he has a chance to win) court and hire a international collection agency to collect the damage. That is the AMERICAN WAY !!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:16 pm on Mar. 14, 2005
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Dutch
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What needs to be accepted though, is that there is a ST rate and a LT rate that is applicable to the various places that P4P is available. There are different rates for GoGos, Beer Bars, MP girls and for FLs. There are also different rates that apply to these Girls in Pattaya, Phuket, Samui, Chiang Mai etc. Other factors that might affect the rates are the desirability of the girl, the time of day, what is required by the punter, etc.
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Nah, what needs to be accepted is that when you dont deliver what you promise you cant expect full pay.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:58 pm on Mar. 14, 2005
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compexec1
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Dutch-
Maybe it's you, not the girls? I've been to LOS five time and have never had a runner, they always want to stay the next day. If they see a good thing these girls like to keep it going for as long as possible! And yes I only go for the top end talent IMHO!
Compy
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:12 pm on Mar. 14, 2005
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harold444
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comp.1................please let us know what you pay for top talent. No matter where you go top talent go for top dollar.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:01 pm on Mar. 14, 2005
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