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Simon WS
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Mr. Joe, I agree with you, but my point was a little different. I too like to make sure that the girl is interested and there are positive vibes etc. but in this case the NO comes from us. I was talking of a situation where the customer asks for a certain girl, or walks up to a girl in the bar and she says "SORRY not interested"
So if you din't sense the girl's subtle hints and proceed to pick up a starfish, she will not say that she doesn't like you and refuse to go with you.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:02 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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MrJoe
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Simon,
Fair nuff. But you are still not entirely correct. I'm not trying to argue but sometimes girls WILL refuse. It hasn't happened to me (because I'm so damn charming  ) but I've seen it many times when I managed bars. It's the minority certainly, but it does happen.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 12:19 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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Arcadius
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Simone
I am not primarily concerned with psychopaths and terrorists here, but with DIY do-gooders taking the opportunity to f_ck things up for a particular villian. If, in the process, they manage to spread the gospel that none of these whoremongering motherf_ckers can be trusted for a second, no doubt that will also help to make the world a better place. Just doing their good deed for the day... Ý
"When you go to a Gogo Bar, how often do you see a customer EVER get refused? These girls say Yes to just about every one, because that is their business..."
I'm not sure that's a very accurate assessment of what goes on in the GGs at all. Eyes do not get caught, toilets need to be gone to, periods have to be endured.
At any event, GGs are not MPs and should not be treated as such.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:20 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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BoomARang
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Before we had a leason, a very good leason I might add, in the area of Algebra from Simon. Now, we are getting leasons in the area of Geometry, tangents to be more precise, and they're coming from all different directions.
We started out with logical, reasonable and friendly discussion and then it went the way of all the other discussions on this topic, far out tangents and name calling. One would think that one would learn after the first four or five threads on this topic, but NOOOOOO, let's do the same thing we did before so that we can come to the same exact point again. Sound like fun? Not!
Now, who is going to be the first to say, "Well, he did it first!"? ;)
Can we deal with reasonable analogies, or better yet, no analogies at all, say what you mean instead. Or, speak from direct experience.
Over the course of all of these threads with the same content, but different names, nearly eveyone has said things that are reasonable but periodically people get sidetracked by hypothetical situations that seem to have no bearing on the discussion at all except in their own minds.
The thing about a woman losing face and causing her embarrasment or whatever is understandable. The thing about a woman actually gaining by having her "story" told is also understandable. But going out on a limb and talking about Feminazi's and Religious freaks and the like? I've seen a group of Feminazis show up in Pattaya one time and they were NOT treated the best. Had they tried to approach any given working girl specifically, I think we can all guess who would have been on the losing end of that one.
On the other hand, girls say "no" to punters all the time. It may be a direct no or it may be a case of being quoted an outrageous price or being told one has her menstration. It may have not happened to "you", but it does happen quite often. But, the question I would have is, "So, what does that have to do with anything?"
On the other hand, tacit, or even explicit consent was given the second a given woman joined the ranks of the "working". But, just as some charge for pictures to be taken or charge and allow their publishing or don't allow any pictures or allow pictures freely taken and published, the taking and publishing of is always with consent.
Wouldn't it be easier and more productive to find areas that we do agree on instead of the different sides going further and further out on a limb and deeper and deeper in a gutter?
For what it's NOT worth,
Ichi
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 12:39 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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Arcadius
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O come on, Ichi
We know for a fact that reports on particular women have been shown to them by people who read this forum. This has been cause of much indignation.
It is simply assumed that such people are players. Somehow they are trying to extract cheaper sexual favours for themselves - or whatever.
I have no idea how that is supposed to work. At any event, I see no reason why this assumption should be made. It is no more or less far-fetched than other scenarios.
The point is simply this. You have no idea who is reading this stuff or what may motivate them to use it maliciously. I merely submit that P4P is of interest - usually hostile and sometimes obsessive interest - to a much wider circle than those directly involved in the game.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:33 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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Simon WS
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"We know for a fact that reports on particular women have been shown to them by people who read this forum. This has been cause of much indignation. "
How do you know this even happened? How do you know the woman wasn't just putting on a play-act for the guy to get him to feel bad. There are zillions of instances where guys or girls put on an act of being in love when they aren't.
Isn't it illogical to trash the evidence that most of the girls (perhaps overwhelming majority) would prefer positive references, just because of a couple of such instances? Besides this issue has already been addressed -
'* - If you mention the name don't give too many specifics, as suggested by Pinga, just a general description would suffice.
'* - If you are putting on an 'I'm in love with you' routine with the girl, please don't be a cheapskate and do not mention her name or details.
That's all there is to it!
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:42 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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BoomARang
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Arcadius - What you said in the first three paragraphs, I accept and although I don't see the relevance, I've never said anything to the contrary of what you have just said. For the record, I accept your submission as stated. No problem there.
As far as relevance, does it matter how the woman found out about her being named in an FR. Sure, it possibly could have been an underhanded trick although that seems to be only an assumption. But, isn't the real point the fact that she had no knowledge of her being mentioned and gave no permission for that to occur?
But the problem I have with your line of reasoning comes into play when discussing what to do about the situation. Simply identifying a problem does not necessarily lead directly toward a satisfactory or workable solution. Options must be listed and evaluated. But remember, granting, or enforcing rights for some, invariably takes away rights from others.
Look at it this way, there are three basic solutions to the problem, or at least three that come to mind readily.
1. Do nothing.
2. Give the women in question the right to decide for themselves.
3. Don't allow any one to be identified in any way.
I would agree that #1 is not good but couldn't it be said that #3 could be seen as taking away a given woman's rights in an effort to protect her from herself? I would agree that Madam Whomever and Sing-sang-song should have been given the option of having their name posted but does that mean that from now on women can not be allowed to benefit by having their name appear here? BTW, it is only an assumption I make for this discussion that Madam W and Sss were not asked.
I've always been an advocate of protecting one's privacy if that's what one wants but then again I'm also for giving people, the women in this case, the right to make their own decisions. As I had hinted to in one of my first posts, I am much more likely to come down on the side of the "working" women than I am punters or posters alike.
I know the third option is one that is chosen many times to protect people from themselves but over a period of time it just reduces everyone to the least common denominator and ends up taking away everyone's freedoms and rights.
Are you a Democrat per chance? Sorry, I didn't mean to lower myself to name calling. ;) Me? I'm a registered card carrying Idiot and I vote that ticket everytime and strangely enough, most of the time who I vote for wins! ;)
Ichi
PS. I think you and I are actually violently agreeing in many cases after one digs through the chaff, we just disagree on the solution. Balancing "protection" vs. "rights" is never an easy job.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:35 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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Arramsey
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BK ,
Why not a middle-of-the-road Guideline - If you have the girl's assent or you think she will not object then mention her name BUT if not then use a pseudonom .
I propose this :-
firstly : because there appear to be equally strong FOR & AGAINST voices on this subject .
secondly : by the very nature of the member's activities this Forum really cannot become the Knight in Shining Armour for the B.G's/T.G's - otherwise you may end up having to issue guidelines on compulsory use of condoms ,etc.
thirdly : Any member who genuinely does not want to hurt a girl will definitely get the girl's assent before mentioning her name - so then if some irresponsible or malicious member tries to cause trouble by telling the girl about the post it will have no ill effect because she has already consented . Of course members who are out to ruin a girl ( I hope there are none !!) will post names without permission from the girl - but I am guessing that this will be ineffective because the other responsible members are not going to misuse this .
In other words - let us assume that 90% or more of the members are responsible types and formulate the guidelines for that overpowering majority .
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:35 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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BoomARang
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BK - While you are considering Arramsey's post, could you also check his IP address to check to make sure that he is not me? I think "he" is cheating again. Where is Sybil when you DON'T need him? 
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:55 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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haam sup
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Simon (you insignificant turd),
As I type this by the red light from my neck, the following occurs to me:
Please note that if you are implying that I am losing an argument NOW, you should also note that I became abusive toward you (although not violent) long before you could have POSSIBLY thought you were winning any argument.
Now then:
As far as I know, with the exception of certain brothels, which are not generally frequented by farangs, Thai girls can, and do refuse to go with specific customers. ÝSee TPE's recent Nataree experience for an example.
So when I offer to pay for their services, and they accept, they are consenting to do whatever we agree on, and perhaps some implicit stuff as well. ÝIf at any time they withdraw their consent, they can leave. ÝWe may negotiate a new payment arrangement if it happens, but it will be consensual.
She may not like me, as much as like my baht, but if she agrees to an assignation(!), she is consenting.
Now contrast that (you friggin' dope) with you blabbing all about her in a public place, for all and sundry to read, without her knowledge, let alone her consent (you montebank).
Does that faint glimmer of rudementary intellect begin to stir in your beady eyes? ÝIs the big f_cking Goodyear blimp, with the neon sign, beginning to come into focus (you insipid goat-f_ck)?
(Man, I'm running out of creative abuse...)
Let's see...
Met a pieman, lately? (<- coup de grace)
haam sup
BTW, I would like to state that the above mentioned rejection has, of course, NEVER happened to me personally, with the exception of a Japanese-only club.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:10 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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