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I'm learning something from this thread... though not quite sure what it is exactly I'm learning, lol.
The word for prostiute is exactly the same in Dutch as in English... so I'm not losing any subtletiies in the translation. Ý(incidentally the word "whore" is also the same). ÝI think the difference is purely one of perception. ÝHere prostitution is a long established legal occupation, and that is simply the word EVERYONE (inside & outside of the trade) uses.
Now I don't think an Amsterdam prostitute would be offended by being called a "red-light area worker" or a "sex worker", and I'm sure she wouldn't be offended by being called a prostitute.
Even their trade-union (the red thread) advertises itsself along the lines of "the union for prostitutes and associated sex-workers". Ý
It used to be a terrible insult to call the gay-community "queer"... then somewhere down the line the gay folks just kinda reclaimed that word for themselves and it lost many (if not all) of it's negative conotations. ÝIt's now more "yep I'm here and I'm queer". Ý(well not me personally but you catch my drift).
Possibly because Dutch prostitutes refer to themselves as prostitutes, then in turn their clients refer to them as prostitutes, then in turn society at large refer to them as prostitutes... maybe that's why we as a country don't seem to have all these negative conotations with the word that many others here seem to have????
Food for thought.... I dunno. ÝI just know we use the word.
It kinda reminds me of years ago when women would never mention having a period and would lock tampons away in cupboards.... anywayyyyy, now I'm just rambling.
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Arcadius.. you're point about "she's only a prostitute for god's sake". ÝYes, that's meant to be degrading - no two way's about it. ÝI agreed the word could be used to convey something negative/demeaning. ÝI just meant it didn't have to be negative. ÝAnd felt in the context of the original post it wasn't negative at all. Ý
As to the BG/TG point. ÝYep, I should have worded that differently. ÝOfcourse BG's ARE Thai Girls. ÝWhat I specifically meant was posts where someone is specifically referring to encounters with Thai bargirls, but using the phrase Thai Girls. ÝI've noticed that umpteen times on this forum, and sadly enough in Thailand too. ÝMany's the time I've cringed to hear the falang tourists in LOS use this term when they are specifically talking P4P. ÝI think like JJ already said it adds to the reputation that sadly too many already have that every Thai women is, was, or will be a prostitute.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:03 am on April 9, 2003
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Quote: from Marco on 5:50 am on April 10, 2003
As for Thai prostitutes you can argue they are not just that, they are human beings with a lot more to offer...etc. So what ? Isn't it the case for all prostitutes all over the world ? They are also human beings with a lot of qualities inside, only they protect themselves more maybe because they suffer more.
If prostitute is an offensive word, it is offensive for all prostitutes, I don't see why you should have a special treatment for Thai prostitutes.
Obviously brother Marco you have not had the pleasure of the GFE, or for our newbie brothers GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE. Thai ladies in the P4P biz cannot be compared to other P4P ladies over the world. A P4P lady's job is just like the definition says. To engage in sex for money, that's all. Do the job, get paid, and leave. Getting emotionally involved with the "customer" is not part of the job. So then why are the ladies of LOS willing to spend the whole night with you? Why do they have LT instead of just ST? Why are they willing to spend time with you, outside of the bedroom, taking you sightseeing and such. And if they are only doing it for the money then why after usually 3 days or so are some of them willing to forgo the money part and just happy to spend time with someone they consider a nice person? A P4P lady forgoing the money part. That definitely sounds like it deserves special treatment to me, doesn't it? Thai P4 ladies are in a class of their own and are in no way comparable to other P4P ladies of the world. Think about it. Peace
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:44 am on April 9, 2003
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This thread astounds me
Some of the opinions from the regular posters are just astonishing
calling things by their correct names is the hallmark of honest discourse
of course that is just my opinion...
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:42 am on April 9, 2003
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Of course they are but some are able to take the long term view - lost leader in business terms
And you might be surprised to know that many only get a punter - client - mark (or boyfriend if it help you feel good) about once every 14 days therefore better to extract something (food, tips,holiday,clothes) and at the same time hope that this is going to be a real sucker (opps I mean steady boyfriend)
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:51 am on April 9, 2003
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Actually, I think you make my point that words with apparently the same meaning can in fact carry very different connotations.
Try calling Thai BGs prostitutes to their faces, and I can practically guarantee that your Christmas card list won't grow much longer in a hurry.
I really don't know what to suggest about the "TG" problem. This just means Thai girl - a term as limply descriptive as Australian man. You might, conceivably, have a forum about Australian lifesavers. In the course of discussion, people will make points about Australian men generally. If others are so cretinous as to conclude from this that all Aussie men must be lifesavers, then there is simply no help for them.
BGs are Thai. They are also girls. They are in fact Thai girls. Loads of other Thais are also girls. And loads of other girls are also Thai.
I mean - is this supposed to be hard or something?
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:53 am on April 9, 2003
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Actually, eyeswideopen, if you think you can mine a Western dictionary for 'the correct names' of half of what you will encounter in LOS, then you will take a very wrong turning and never come back.
What we are discussing here is just one small part of a much bigger problem. Westerners in LOS do better to be wide open to new experience than slap inappropriate home-made labels on things they don't properly understand. Ý
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:09 am on April 9, 2003
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X : Let me throw another one at you. ÝHow about my personal favorite, "working girl"?
Is this generic enough? ÝAnd, yes, this is the term I use when talking about what a lady might do for a living. ÝWhen I am talking to the lady, I think it is nice to just use her name.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:12 am on April 9, 2003
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oh please
languages reflect cumulative human experiences over thousands of years -
you actually mean to tell me that P4P in LOS is qualitatively different from certain western environs throughout history
ex. read about chicago at the time of the columbian exposition
LOS is a great place but people are people - sex is sex -and taking money for it is prostitution
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:16 am on April 9, 2003
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Quote from Eyeswideopen:
"LOS is a great place but people are people - sex is sex -and taking money for it is prostitution"
Well said. Call a spade a spade
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:24 am on April 9, 2003
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