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Arcadius
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Now that just wasn't fair, BigD.
You're addressing a guy(?) who gets upset about HJs. How the hell is he supposed to handle that lot?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:38 pm on June 19, 2003
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3cazzi
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Quote: from BigDUSA on 12:00 am on June 20, 2003
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In the wonerfull wide world of sex amoung CONSENTING ADULTS almost anything goes except killing your partner.
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I think it would be very interesting if you can explain why, in such wise and free concept, you made this exception !
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 1:47 pm on June 19, 2003
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X
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Zipper...
What greater wisdom do you possess to know what is degrading to these CONSENTING women who CHOSE to enage in anal sex? Ý
What invisible line is there in your mind that says they don't feel degraded or humilated by vaginal sex or a hand job, but do by anal sex?
I could understand (though not agree) if you said "I think all p4p in deleveloping countries is humiliating/degrading to the women 'forced by economic circumstances' to do it, so I don't partake it."
But I think you want to have your cake AND eat it. Ý
Am I understanding you correctly, that morally you have no qualms with the fact that she can give you a blow-job or a vaginal sex, and that's fine. ÝThat's not degrading/humilating but anal sex is????
And what about consent...you either give consent or you don't. ÝWhat I'm reading out of your posts is these women, in your opinion,are capable enough of giving consent for the vanilla things, but not for the more kinky things. Ý
Isn't that just a tadd patronising? ÝIsn't it up to the woman to decide for herself what she finds acceptable?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:41 pm on June 19, 2003
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zipper
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Arcadius & BigD:
1- I've never objected to a girl giving a punter a Hj, Providing that it is done in private & not in a bar (public place) . Can't (however) understand why a person would like a hand job when several good pussies are available.
2- Like you Arcadius, I also don't like BJs' . I always refuse this option from a girl
3 - The Donkey show : I was invited to witness this act at Mae Sai, in the North of LOS, close to the border with Myanmar. The pimp who asked me to come to this 'show' told me that it was very popular with the farangs. This 'entertainment' is an obvious import from Europe (Copenhagen , Amsterdam) because I was invited to visit such shows at these cities, some years back, when I was there. I didn't go.
I'd like to make one thing clear: I'm neither a prude, nor a Baptist Minister, I do however, believe in treating EVERY working girl with kindness and respect, no matter what the girl is like . If she happens to like anal sex and / or S&M , she will have to go elsewhere - she won't get that from me.
I do remember that on a couple of Occasions , my 'regular" girl(s) at MPs' told me that she/they was/were tired, after I'd paid the fee for her, so I just ordered some drinks & we chatted during the allocated time - no sex. I even gave tips.
I know that most of you would consider me to be the supreme sucker on this forum for such actions, but I don't regret them & will do it again.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:46 pm on June 19, 2003
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Vegas
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Quote from BIGDUSA:
PS: I ask mamasan for her advice. Usally works out well especially when I'm looking for "special services"
Careful BIGD.....that is just what I said in the first response to the ZIPPERHEAD'S original question in this thread, and look what I've started.........well, it's been fun.
BIGD.....have a great trip; I'll be in Bangkok July 9 'till July 15. If you pass that way, send me a PM and we'll have a drink or go searching for "special services".
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:08 am on June 20, 2003
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X
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Zipper....
Can you explain why you feel these women are capable of giving consent for hand-jobs and vaginal sex but not for anal sex. And while you are it can you also explain why the former doesn't degrade & humiliate them but that the latter does?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:25 am on June 20, 2003
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Arcadius
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zipper
Can't understand why a person would like a hand job when several good pussies are available
As it happens, I can't either. God knows, I'm no longer so young that I can afford to waste good sexual tension on a mere HJ. But if other guys want this, and BGs are willing to give it to them, why the hell should I care?
I always refuse this option [BJ] from a girl
Well, I wouldn't do that - most 'nice' BGs like to feel they're doing a good job, and can be prone to fretting that they've displeased you. In any case, I don't find BJs actively unpleasant, just an uninvolving waste of time. After a few minutes rearranging the England batting order, I usually manoeuvre them into the 69 to give myself something to do.
I was invited to witness this act [donkey show] at Mae Sai, in the North of LOS, close to the border with Myanmar
All sorts of weird and quite disgustingly exploitative things go on 'underground' in LOS. I would also find this degrading and unacceptable. But the worst you get in the 'above board' farang-oriented sex industry is the Patpong ping-pong shows and similar. Like most people, I find these boring, unerotic and even mildly off-putting. Yes, there is a case for saying this kind of thing degrades women. I do not believe the more 'arty' shows you see in Nana/Cowboy degrade women any more than go-go dancing. The performers/dancers are certainly not degraded in my eyes.
I do however, believe in treating EVERY working girl with kindness and respect, no matter what the girl is like
I agree and always strive (successfully I hope) to do this. At any event, I certainly don't regard BGs as my inferiors, and am hopelessly prone to falling for them. I won't say that I respect ALL of them regardless of what they are are like. Some people, BGs included, behave badly enough to forfeit the respect to which they are otherwise entitled.
If she happens to like anal sex and/or S&M, she will have to go elsewhere - she won't get that from me.
BGs don't go into the business to get their rocks off. They supply what you want (sex) and you supply what they want (money). OK, it's not quite as clear-cut as that, and BGs certainly do sometimes derive some sexual satisfaction (or at least reach orgasm) in the course of their work. In reality, even if a BG is into anal or SM - as, by the law of averages, some must be - she's certainly not going to try to force this on a customer who doesn't want it.
on a couple of Occasions, my 'regular" girl(s) at MPs' told me that she/they was/were Ýtired, after I'd paid the fee for her
One of the beauties of Thai P4P is that its quite easy for friendly relationships to develop between BGs and regular customers. When this happens, both parties often cut each other a lot of slack. I've paid BFs for mine when they're fed up with work and want to go home; they've offered me deep-discounts or even 'freebies' when I can't afford to pay them properly. This give-and-take isn't too closely accounted, but tends to be on an "OK, I owe you one" basis. The trade is still sex for money, but it can be very civilised.
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I think you need to answer X's question. It is all very well treating BGs with kindness and respect, but respect means taking people seriously as autonomous human beings capable of making their own decisions and not as poor little pity-objects. It is patronising and condescending to assume that a BG isn't capable of deciding for herself whether anal sex or SM is one of the services she's willing to offer her customers. You may not like what she does, but at the end of the day this is her business and not yours.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:30 am on June 20, 2003
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AlterEgo
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Arc... Well said. My thoughts exactly.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:36 am on June 20, 2003
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3cazzi
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Hmm, I think either Zipper and BigDUSA posts have something that makes me suspicious...
I appreciate some Zipper's caring feelings, but his aversion for some sexual practices sound as Ýphobia for me.
Phobias can drive yourself far away from an objective view of reality.
Personally I am not crazy for anal sex but, if my partner likes it, I care to make her happy.
I think it would be more sensible to be concerned of the effective freedom of choice of the girls instead of their "specialities".
Humiliation and degradation can be done with no touch also.
And back to the topic, it would be fair to distinguish between those mamasans that suggest that girl because they know her preferences and those that can vouch for her performance because they own her.
I remember once (not in LOS but it could be) the pimp saying:
"give me 100 $ and you can do whatever you want with her, but please, just don't break her arms and legs because she must work tomorrow morning".
I felt so sorry that it turned me off completely.
About BigDUSA, I hope he just used unfortunate expressions, because it would be too bad not to see the difference between who pay for being beaten and who eventually get paid for it.
I said "eventually" because never heard such offer as a free choice of the one that gets beaten.
Arcadius, I agree with most of your views, but not the latest.
Lets try to not be blind, respect is not to ignore these girls backgrounds and pretend that their choices are always serene and free.
That's why I think you introduced the word "consenting" in a way that can be easily abused.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:43 am on June 20, 2003
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dirty guru
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i booked a girl on the bases that she was pretty young happy disposition...she asked me if i would like to gently penertrate her anus..as she was getting her period...i declined as i felt she was scared of loosing the 3 day gig..and didnt want to exploit the situation... however later she again (after a blow job and back rub) said its ok i want in the morning you do? And though i did,, felt alittle disappointed that i did as it obviously hurt her..she was small... but later i decided to hire her again and she said that she was a big girl and it was business..... if i say f_ck my arse or put it more nicely its because A i dont mind and B you will reward my effort loose translation... i went on to f_ck her and occansionally her arse alot... its all mental conditioning... most thai woman dont mind..just be generous
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:08 pm on June 20, 2003
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