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hzink
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Quote: from Ballsburstin on 5:28 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
Seems love dies hard, even for some of these ladies, and a week of "romance" with a new suitor doesn't so easily erase the heartbreak of a 4 year relationship.
What it seems you have forgot in your anecdote, is that while this is the other side of the thai/farang relationship, it also illustrates quite well why many girls end up rather hardened from it all.
Let's face it, the same jerks who complain about the lack of reliability, honesty and loyalty in relationships from TGs are also the ones sneaking out every five minutes for quickies and some massive butterflying. I'm all for being free-spirited, but at least people should be consistent - i.e. not lie to themselves about their relationship, or lie to what they call their 'girlfriend'.
Personally, I think the vast majority of these girls want the same thing, which is a husband that takes care of them, and that they can take care of. The problem, I think, is that they are too easily led down the primrose path by confused dorks that 'fall in love' with them after one week of sex (which just illustrates the patheticness of the western mentality right then and there), who eventually decide that maybe they want to keep on screwing around, and make up some reason to dump the girl, or just simply stop responding to her. The end result is far more easily broken heart on the TGs end, and eventually a girl who feels the same way about farang males than some farang males feel about 'all' TGs - what goes around.... I guess..
This is unfortunate, but can probably be attributed in many ways to he child-like mentality of many of these girls, and how that is easily taken advantage of with empty promises of love and romance. At least with guys that just BF them, and kick them out the next day they know where they are at - with guys that go LT for a week or more, the emotional attachment grows, especially if they are new to all of this, and you are looking at a potential trainwreck down the road.
A lot of this is conjecture and extrapolation from what I have debated, talked about, and read all over fora, but it's the impression I have of this whole scene (and if I read one more "I should have known better, but then I met HER..." report, I'm gonna vomit 
Just rambling, but what's everyone else think?
Harry
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:35 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
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hzinc
of couse the longer you stay with them the more attached either side will get, I have one mate living in Pattaya who will not have a l/t tgf, he just goes out when he wants and picks up a girl,he has his regulars but these girls know the score,no strings and it seems to work well for both parties, I myself cant do this as I get attatched but I dont lead them on, I treat them with respect and take care as well as I can (I do however have the odd afternoon out with the boys!) but this is something I cannot resist although I know it is wrong.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 1:59 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
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I think hzinc has some points. I think we can cater in for some human weakness but in some ways we may make it ourselves.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:03 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
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Ballsburstin
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hzink,
Spot on, was thinking about that as I was posting. At some point, these ladies stop suspending their disbelief and become hardened/immune to it all, if they stay in the biz. Eventually, they will have a "seen it all before" perspective and are very wary of any promises of romance and happily ever after. I'd do the same in their position.
- Balls
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:12 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
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Re the girls becoming 'hardened', I think we need to remember that there's a practical side to this as well.
The BG Balls describes did what we seem to think they should all do as a matter of course. She was a good little girl, went off to the boondocks and waited patiently for her man. The upshot is that she's just flushed 4 years of her youth straight down the pan and is right back at square one.
Now she's 24. How many more mistakes like this can she afford? I think TGs are acutely aware that the age of fancy doesn't last very long, and that the window of opportunity to secure their future is a narrow one. It is very unlikely that the next guy in this girl's life will be granted 'exclusive rights' until he comes through and delivers. Until then, she'll almost certainly hedge her bets.
Tpe estimates that 5 out of 6 unmarried TGs (not just BGs) now keep lines open to other guys until the primary love interest signs on the dotted line. They seem to have given up on serial monogamy.
If any of us invest 2 or 3 years in a relationship which goes nowhere, it's not the end of the world. We can try again, and go on trying until quite late in life (the guy who dumped this girl was 60). If a TG in her 20s doesn't feel she has the same luxury, who can blame her? It's hardly a level playing field.
It would be difficult for girls to grow up in LOS believing that men are reliable, and most of the farangs they meet aren't going to change that impression.
All those sponsors. How many of them actually come through in the end? A discouragingly small percentage, I should think.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:00 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
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Jersey Jam
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Gentlemen,
Three words. SEX FOR MONEY. End of story. Game, set, match. Why do some of you constantly try to convince yourselves otherwise? These girls don't want anythnig else to do with us. Especially the early twenty-something dancers. And i'm sorry, but you expats are THE worst offenders. And should know better. Just because you live there dosn't make you any less farang or any more attractive. Sorry dudes, but reality sucks! That's why I occasionally escape. To the LOS.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:19 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
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hzink
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Quote: from Jersey Jam on 12:19 pm on Jan. 26, 2004
Three words. SEX FOR MONEY. End of story. Game, set, match. Why do some of you constantly try to convince yourselves otherwise? These girls don't want anythnig else to do with us.
What are you talking about? Are you trying to say that she doesn't love me, even though she says so? That I'm not a hansum man? That she's not different from the others?
Oh man, I'm shriveling up...
Harry
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:50 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
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Jersey Jam,
Are you for real?? Apparently you are unaware of precisely just how sexy I am. I have been to Pattaya many times and I can assure you that I am in fact a SEXY MAN. Yes it is true I hear women proclaiming that at a minimum of 30 times a day. (I don't get out much)
If a woman sleeps with me she is in "LUB" with me before I even finish removing the cum filled condom from her twat. I know this because she says it, repeatedly.
Are you calling these upstanding individuals of the Thai community..Shall we say...less than completely forhcoming?
I for one am shocked.......anyone else shocked at his inference???
(This special moment of sarcastic humor has been brought to you by...
CYBORG,.....
Cyborg,.. the name you can trust for wimpy-ass, love-sick FRs about his TGF that cries on top of him so that her tears actually run across his face and he seems to fall for this BS enough that he actually runs back to LOS in 4 short months to spend another week with this lady cuz he is such a wuss even though he has a fine looking fiance at home)
Cyborg ;0)
Look for future Cyborg FRs beginning on Feb 7th.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:11 am on Jan. 26, 2004
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Hi Herman,
I'm thai girl also, as you have said in your post, ALl thai girl is the same....... Please Don't use your experience to judge other people, nobody is the same on this earth...., let's say you know only bar girl type not for all thai girl.
Regards,
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:05 am on Jan. 26, 2004
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Quote: from Arcadius on 4:30 pm on Jan. 25, 2004
Hermano
Messrs Reynolds, Leather and Hutchison cannot be talking crap?
Well, whoever said they were? Personally, I've enjoyed all three books (especially the brilliant Reynolds). I did assume Hutchinson's was essentially satirical, like your own list (I hope!)
The problem is that these books present an entirely one-eyed view of TGs (BGs anyway). Moreover, the view they present seems to have hardened into some kind of conventional wisdom. This, plus the endless litany of woe you refer to, colours people's perceptions and creates prejudice. Guys expect to be deceived and ripped off, are constantly on the look-out for evidence that this is happening, and of course find what they are looking for. There can be few easier things to do in this life than misinterpret a TG's behaviour and motives.
At any event, I don't know why you should trust all the hard-luck stories you hear. Some are genuine. Some just represent a guy's complete misunderstanding of events. The fact that he believes this is what happened to him does not mean that it bears any resemblance to objective reality. You hear only one side of the story - and it's always the same side.
An example of what I'm talking about, and a useful antidote to the books above, are Mike and Noi's stories, which can be found here:
http://www.pattayapages.com/girls
I recommend anyone who hasn't seen this before to read Mike's story first. M may be unusually clueless, even for a newbie, but his story will be familiar enough. Noi's may not be.
There's a lot of other useful stuff about where TGs/BGs are coming from at that link. Well-balanced stuff, not just the sheer negativity which so often passes for wisdom on the subject.
Yurune,
All ? Just a matter of degree - I expect the 'Hi-so' Thai girls occasionally sample cocaine,drink champagne and expect 60,000 Baht a month pocket money from a farang boyfriend, if they have one?
The list after all is 'Tabloid newspaper' type comment.
THE common factor is Money and the need/desire for it. The Isaan bar girl would probaby cover more points listed than the 'Hi-so' girl but there are of course free-lancers working in Robinson's. Are they all 'at-it '?
I started the thread about Thai-girls it would perhaps be better to keep to Thai-girls even with comments like'women are like that the World over'? Swiss women are just as money motivated as Thai girls.
Arcadius,
Neil Hutchison made his book satirical to make it an easy and funny read even though a lot of his points I believe are valid. I liked the bit about the position of the 'Farang' in the social/psychological 'pecking-order'.The Farang being lower than the fleas on the cat or dog. A humorous exageration but nevertheless a relevant comment even though it's a bit absurd.
Successful relationships? I know very few and even they haven't reached the five year mark yet. The three people I know had two-three years of investment in a relationship then had to return to the UK for a couple of months and then the money issue raised it's head. You could hear the screams for money, money all the way from Asia! Another chap brought over his Thai wife of a few days and within two weeks she had moved out of his bedroom (no more shaggin') and two months later she had gone and had put a 'notice' on his house so he could not sell it without her say-so. (She wanted half) After two weeks of conjugals.
Sometimes there must be a conflict within Thai girls as their mothers/grandmothers have taught them to 'hunt the dollar'. Then they find someone they really like and want them on any terms but they have been taught as Neil Hutchison says = Money No.1 !
The Jack Reynold's book had a profound effect on me.
Why?
'A Woman of Bangkok' was written in 1956 !
If the Thais worried less about bar closing times and more about educating their people they would have a country nearer the 'Singapore model' that they so obviously desire. In twenty years !
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:19 am on Jan. 26, 2004
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