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sinirl
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Chompoo
In cambodia pedo is everwhere.
I am not saying people here (this forum) have anything or want anything to do with it. In fact I believe it is the opposite. I love bangkok and will always WANT to go there. Of course that depends on if I am single or not, but i do believe if I see some wanker abusing kids I have to say something.
Its not a moral crusade as my morals would not crusade very far.
A Martyr I am not but and I have seen some people attacked mainly from naivety on the part of the poster I admit but some of the put downs have been a bit harsh.
I love BKK and no doubt I would have a good beer with you and most of the guys and hopefully I will
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Posted on: 9:42 pm on Jan. 22, 2003
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MX31
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It has been mentioned "what if something goes 'click' inside their head and they go out and rape/torture/murder a little girl.
The pathology of pedophilia is planted very early on in the developmental lifespan of the person affected. It does not 'click' on or off in adulthood. Seeing a girl/young woman in whatever clothing will not activate something that isn't there already and at best, it is a gradual building up of activity, not something clicked on or off.
Usually, a person who acts on these impulses has done so already, they rarely wait until later in life. The exceptions would be someone who sees a rare opportunity in another country and decides to act out these impulses. Again, that is the exception, not the rule.
One thing a pedophile lacks, in most cases, is self control over these impulses so they are usually already acted upon.
Point being, there are steps earlier in the ladder, so to speak, that are more worrisome than this latter stage of activity of going to a bar. The exploration of this topic is done by the person along the way through videos, pictures, and gradually moving towards live person to person interaction.
I am NOT saying these things are to blame for this behavior, they are not. I am on the side that understands that pornography does not *cause* deviation, it is a byproduct of exploring the underlying pathology that already exists where pornography(I am talking only about pedophilia here, nothing else). I do not consider adult sexual videos to be in the same category as this.
For what it is worth...........
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Posted on: 5:48 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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Smegma
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Quote: from MX31 on 6:48 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
It has been mentioned "what if something goes 'click' inside their head and they go out and rape/torture/murder a little girl.
The pathology of pedophilia is planted very early on in the developmental lifespan of the person affected. ÝIt does not 'click' on or off in adulthood. Ý
The article below on a presentation to the American Neurological Association would mean that what is stated above is false, and that sometimes something does go "click". I admit that I am not as well versed on the matter as some others, and consequently I refrain from Ýexpresing any absolute views on the matter. I leave that for the experts. I just contribute by pasting this article for the benefit of those who may have missed it.
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This is a transcript of The World Today broadcast at 1200 AEST on local radio.
Brain tumor caused man to become paedophile
The World Today - Tuesday, October Ý22, 2002 12:53
JOHN HIGHFIELD: Well overnight, scientists in the United States have reported what is probably one of the most interesting cases in the world recently. The first case of paedophilia with a brain tumour as its probable cause.
In a presentation to the American Neurological Association, the scientists described how an egg-sized tumour in the brain caused sudden and controlled paedophilia in a 40-year-old school teacher.
Once the tumour in the right lobe of the orbifrontal cortex was removed, the man's new sexual obsessions disappeared.
In Brisbane, Peter McCutcheon reports.
PETER McCUTCHEON: Neurologists Russell Swerdlow and Jeffrey Burns from the University of Virginia described the case study as "the neurology of morality". In an article in the New Scientist magazine, the researchers say the man felt his behaviour was unacceptable but in his words, "the pleasure principle overrode his restraint".
Unlike most paedophile cases, the man had a normal history until relatively recently. He suddenly began visiting child pornography websites and soliciting prostitutes. His wife left him and he was convicted on charges of child molestation.
Brain scans, however later revealed a large tumour. Within seven months of its removal, the man successfully completed a treatment program and returned to normal life.
Sometime later he began collecting child pornography again and sure enough another scan revealed the tumour was growing back. It was removed a second time and his behaviour disappeared.
The researchers argue that doctors should consider brain tumours as the reason why some people become sex offenders.
Director of the Mental Health Research Institute of Victoria, Professor David Copolov, said the finding didn't surprise him as the frontal cortex of the brain is often associated with inhibiting behaviour. He says the finding raises interesting questions of the boundaries between morality and mental health.
DAVID COPOLOV: Basically the legal profession and the medical profession tend to take different perspectives on it. The legal profession expects us all to have control over our behaviour and there are certain criteria for, for that, a fairly strict criteria.
Whereas we in medicine tend to understand things in terms of causal relationships and take a different view about the relationship between, for example, abnormalities of the brain and behaviour.
In fact, a very important study showed that a significant proportion of young offenders on death row in the United States had a significant history of either brain damage or abuse as children. And therefore one could say that there are certainly strong exonerating circumstances behind their own behaviour.
ELEANOR HALL: Professor David Copolov is the Director of the Mental Health Research Institute of Victoria. He was speaking to Peter McCutcheon.
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Posted on: 6:56 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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ringthebells
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for what I care. paedos are sick bastards and deserve to be hanged by their genitals until they fall off.
unfortunately there are getting more and more.
punish them harder!!!
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Posted on: 7:16 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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MX31
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Hey Smegma,
I see your point from that article, and I will not dispute it for what it is. But that would fall under the very rare example category. And I mean *rare.* Additionally....one has to be careful not to fall victim to a "causation fallacy" in using that one case study. Because event "A" precedes event "B" it does not mean A automatically causes B. To say that A absolutely causes B without supporting evidence other than just the timing of the events, then one is guilty of causation fallacy, regardless if A did or did not cause B. It is the method of coming to the conclusion without supporting evidence that makes this fallacy so, not whether it is true or not.
I am not saying it is or is not true, just that even if it is, it is just so rare. Human behavior contains no absolutes.
I would venture to estimate that most of the peds. do not have brain tumors. It is considered a disorder which begins its pathology early on in life, most clinicians would agree ( I did say most, not all).
Also, I forgot to mention in my last post.....when discussing this topic one must be discussing the correct issue. There are guys who are turned on by young girls, such as the other poster mentioned, who wear little cheerleader or whatever outfits. These guys may have a preference but still enjoy legal aged females or, and here is the key, at least can perform with legal aged females. Or maybe they like a legal aged adult to dress like a younger girl. This is in and of itself is not ped. That is a person with a preference but not a pathology.
Here is the key difference:
A pedophile does *not* at all get aroused by legal aged adult females *and* cannot perform with one sexually. They *only* become aroused with underage children. Therein lies the pathology. Currently, this disorder has been treated to varying degrees of success but not at all cured.
Again human behavior contains loads of grey area and this topic is no exception. There are guys who are at varying degrees of one or the other category and we can come up with exceptions for days.
I am certainly not defending them, just defining them. I do know someone who treats this clinical population. And they treat the worst of the worst....at a federal prison which has a criminal sexual offenders unit. So, these guys are the ones who have been caught a number of times and offended dozens if not more times.
My 2 cents......
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Posted on: 7:38 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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Smegma
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Hey MX,
Sounds plausible. However, I do not know for sure either way.
It is too tricky a subject for me to have definite view on the matter besides saying that it is an abhorrent behaviour -whatever the reasons.
My point here is trying to help disseminate the information to both, those who are more courageous and/or have better knowleadge than me and are willing to venture their conclussions, and also to those who want to wait more and learn more before coming to a definite view on the matter of the causes/reasons/etc.
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Posted on: 7:54 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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MrJoe
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Indeed; the significance of the guy with the brain tumor would be that it suggests that paedophilia is perhaps something biological -- or more precisely, neurological -- rather than psychological. Not to say that all of them have brain tumors, of copurse, but that they are born with some difference in thier brains that has not yet been identified.
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Posted on: 8:01 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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seubeu
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MrJoe, I'm not sure that you can draw that conclusion from this (singular) case. ÝAnother possibility is that the guy had done an admirable job of supressing his paedo urges, then the brain tumor affected the part of his brain that allowed the suppression. ÝSo the paedophilia may or may not be organic in basis. Ý You can't tell if the tumor triggered the paedophilia or destabilised the suppression.
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Posted on: 9:21 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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Bigin
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All that said and, very interesting information to be sure, I still dont like them. Does'nt matter to me why they are what they are. I cannot tolerate this kind of behaiour in a person man or woman. I would go with #8, even if the person in question said " oh I have tumor, or my aunti used to hold my dick when I pee pee as a boy" A pathology may be the blame for serial killers and bank robbers too, but nobody cares. I dont either, any either issues "killer, thief, pedo's...
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Posted on: 10:47 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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MX31
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Hey Bigin, 
Wow...I hope my post did not come off as a justification! That is not what I was going for there at all. I was mostly aiming to support the folks who have certain preferences which can be misidentified as ped.
That's all.
The sad part is that most of the ped., especially the more"successful" ones, are quite nice and one would never know what "lies beneath" if not informed ahead of time. Ped. also have one of the highest recidivism rates of all criminals. The best outlook we have for them is to be clinically "maintained" as there is no cure for this disorder.
Additionally, I am a big critic of people who blame their childhood for their current behavior. While childhood experiences definitely influence who and what we are as adults in many major areas...being higher animals, we still have the ability to make choices between right and wrong, or legal and illegal.
So, the guys who like their 'adult' girlfriends to dress up in catholic girl outfits, for example, cannot be considered ped's based on that behavior alone and of itself. That sums up where I was going with all that.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:20 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
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