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nokna
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whenever i have met a girl without paying the BF,i have always given it to her.
she gets the whole amount,not just a cut.
i have never paid a BF and said i will come back in 4-5 hours and pick you up.
but i do know girls who have done this,and if another man shows interest in them,they have a multitude of excuses why not to go with them.
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Posted on: 3:31 am on Dec. 18, 2002
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MrJoe
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My reference to a cut was in response to Cmore and in reference to the cut that the bar gives the girl.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:43 am on Dec. 18, 2002
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MrJoe
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And I think Cmore was referring to when the BF is NOT paid and the girl plans to meet w/you after the bar -- then someone offers to BF her before closing.
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Posted on: 3:47 am on Dec. 18, 2002
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nokna
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i know what you were saying about the cut.
i was just saying that on the very rare occasion i have met the girl after work,i have still given them the 500,instead of the 150 they got from their share of the BF.
i see what you mean about cmore's post,i misread.
but as i said,many of the girls in that situation have a myriad of excuses not to go with the man willing to BF them after they have made arrangements to meet someone else later.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 4:29 am on Dec. 18, 2002
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MrJoe
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Sure they have reasons but I think Cmore's point is that they benefit from getting a BF, so unless the guy does as you do and gives her the equivalent of the BF (and they trust him to do that) she might lose out by meeting waiting to meet that guy.
Anyway, I don't see this as such a complicated issue as I said in my response to Cmore's hypothesis. Be honest w/ the girl and allow her to make her own decision w/out any pressure or coercion; then you both can agree or not.
The only issue is if you feel badly for not giving the bar the BF. Generally I don't think I would, but these days I'm not likely to wait around til 2AM if I meet someone I like...
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Posted on: 4:44 am on Dec. 18, 2002
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Chompoo
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I guess we're having the BF discussion here after all 
First, the bar clearly has no right to interfere with the personal life of the employees. If you meet a girl outside of work and fall in love, they can't charge you for that (unless it interferes with the girl's work). However, what we're talking about is not personal, we're talking about the girl working outside the bar, so it is within the rights of the bar to regulate that.
There are two main reasons why I have no problem with bars having this rule (i.e. BFs must be paid whether the girl is on duty or not).
One, the girl is a representative of the bar and should not be making deals on the side that are bad for the bar's business. If a girl from My Bar meets a guy in a restaurant in the middle of the day I want her to tell him to come by the bar to see her, or have her call in to work and say that she can't work, but she'll bring the BF by tomorrow. If she is making outside dates then she is not doing her job bringing business into My Bar and she is not going to be motivated to do her job in the bar. This is the case cmore was talking about; why is the girl going to hustle to get a BF if she already has a date? This is all assuming that the customer and girl have met outside My Bar, which is by far the least common case.
Far more often it is the case that a guy meets the girl in My Bar and tries to finagle his way out of the BF, e.g. by making a date later that night and meeting the girl outside. Or after BFing one night, he gets the girls number and sets up many future dates. All this deprives me of money and damages my business. My Bar is not a singles bar and if I don't make money this way, I'm going to jack up prices on everything else (including the BF) which then screws over everybody who tries to play by the rules. If you want freelancers, go somewhere else.
Two, everyone knows that if I don't have a firm rule that all outside dates must pay the BF then many customers and girls will take advantage of this and do whatever it takes, e.g. showing up at the bar at 2am or making a date with the girl after work.
This has nothing to do with compensating the bar for the hours the girl is working. If that were the case then the bar fine at 1am would be much less than at 6pm. This has to do with the bar being compensated for the service of putting girls in contact with customers. If the girls don't like the rules they can work somewhere that has a different policy. If guys want to avoid the barfines they can go to someplace that doesn't have them.
As a customer, guys who do whatever it takes to avoid the BF are hurting me by causing prices to go up and by creating an atmosphere of distrust by all involved. I have no problem for guys who go to freelancer places and pick up girls that are off work, at that point, while you are involved, the real burden is on the girl to be honest.
This is analogous to many other professions. If I run a computer consulting business, I don't want my employees meeting customers and taking jobs on the side and I certainly don't want them taking my current customers and working out their own private arrangements, cutting me out. If they want to keep their jobs they'll play honestly by the rules I set out, which are fair to everyone.
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Posted on: 2:21 am on Dec. 19, 2002
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MrJoe
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Chompoo's post is unassailable IMHO. Fully correct and well reasoned.
I still don't care.
As I said I'm not likely to wait around till 2AM these days but that's not out of any concern for the bar or even doing the right thing. What can I say? I'm not perfect and I do some things (not many at all frankly) that are wrong in principle, without much attendant guilt.
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Posted on: 2:27 am on Dec. 19, 2002
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Smegma
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Quote: from MrJoe on 3:27 pm on Dec. 19, 2002
Fully correct and well reasoned.
I still don't care.
WoW!! ÝI like the sound of that. I will start using it.
Reminds me of what I once heard a policeman say to a guy he was arresting (not me ) and who was pleading not having done anything wrong. Ý"You are right, but I am arresting you anyway"
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Posted on: 2:37 am on Dec. 19, 2002
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MrJoe
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Chompoo: I have to take back the unassailable part. I think there is a bit of agray area when we speak of a policy of "BFs must be paid whether the girl is on duty or not."
I have a real problem with the idea of any bar owner under any circumstances having any say about what a girl does on her own time or having a right to any income earned from it. For one thing what about BGs who don't svcore a customer but then go on to a disco and wind up with someone there? But more than that, the situation is too close to some kind of ownership for me to be comfortable.
I liked the analogies you offered and they are apt but what about this: I have a cook who works in my restaraunt. You are having a party and you arrange for her to come and cook at your place after work. You have no intention of having the party at my place, despite her suggestion that you do so.
I suspect that you will say that is unethical and you wouldn't necessarily be wrong but I do see it as somewhat ambiguous.
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Posted on: 2:43 am on Dec. 19, 2002
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MrJoe
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Feel free to use it without attribution.  But I differ that it is similar to the situation you describe.
A cop is and should be held to a higher standard of conduct when it comes to fulfilling his duty than I am in my nightlife activities. He takes an oath to uphold the law and has a moral obligation to do so. His failure to is on a whole, detrimental to society. I don't think my failing to pay a BF would be.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:49 am on Dec. 19, 2002
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