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Robert lomax
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This thread has got abit heavy. Saying that I've only read parts of it, mainly the first few. Lets face it we all should know the score. Saying that every case is different, some of the girls are good and you can have a laugh and some are hard nosed cows. Same as in any job anywhere in the world. No one can say yon can't fool in love with a bar girl marry her and be happy, because it does happen. No one can say all bar girls are good cause there not. every case is different. The first time we all come here, we all fool in love with one, thats part of the joy of thailand and it,s very naive, but some do find love, evern if most don't. I'm old skool English, and I believe in treating everybody the same, so a street cleaner or a top manager will be spoken to by me in the same polite manner. Think what i'm trying to say is always treat it as work for them and nothing more, (lets be fair as far as prostitution goes it's a lot better here than in some parts of the world) but you never know theres a very small chance you might both fool in love. Very small chance, but it is there
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:26 pm on June 4, 2005
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manowar
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I love your term : Fool in love !! What a gem ! I shall use it from now on. Whenever any girl anywhere in the world asks me : "So, do you really really love me? " To which I shall thus reply : " yes, of course, I fool in love with you every day." Bet you get to homebase real quick.....55555
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:21 pm on June 4, 2005
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ColoradoGuy
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Quote: from Repeat Offender on 10:45 am on June 4, 2005
Many, more experienced members, advise leaving the Thai illusion at the airport gate, but I would counsel not getting involved at all. Treat it for what it is, the unabashed trading of sex for money. No justification is necessary, especially if it is impossible to confirm.
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I asked you why you expect of a BG what you cannot get from a Western prostitute.
I've never taken a Western prostitute ice skating and watched her have the time of her life as she fell on her ass. Or had one give me a birthday party (and pay). Or had one invite me to her hometown to see her sister get married, and ask me for nothing more. Or seen the look on ones face when they go snorkeling for the first time. I could go on and on.
You can leave it at the airport gate, but you lose something when you do that. Not letting it control you, and maintaining perspective is the key.
It is OK if you don't respect them. They don't expect you to, if all you ask for and get is sex. Give a little more (I'm not talking about money), you get a little more (I'm not talking about sex).
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:19 pm on June 4, 2005
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Hugh Jardon
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Thank you, Colorado Guy for expressing so eloquently the reasons for the difference between Thai P4P girls and their Western counterparts.
The scenarios you described are the epitome of the GFE. Some of it is evident in the way that they perform in the bedroom, allowing intimate kissing for example, but spending quality recreational time with a lovely young and beautiful woman is a wonderful experience. Those that only go ST purely for sex, are missing out on some really great and memorable times.
As you say, the key is to be able to keep it all under control, to leave it at the airport gate. That doesn't mean that we need to forget them.
Of course, as many others have pointed out, the loving is all an illusion in most cases, but sometimes it can seem to be incredibly real. Where this situation arises with a P4P girl we are sometimes drawn into feelings and emotions, like moths towards to a flame. I expect that all but the hardest hearted amongst us have been there at some time.
Those hardest hearted, are the ones who treat the whole thing solely for what it is, the exchange of money for sex. There is so much more available than that (as CG illustrates so well). Personally, I believe that even if one becomes attached romantically and emotionally to one of these girls, the experience gained still adds something to ones breadth and depth of character and personality. As they say, it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 3:00 am on June 5, 2005
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Repeat Offender
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I asked you why you expect of a BG what you cannot get from a Western prostitute.
I've never taken a Western prostitute ice skating and watched her have the time of her life as she fell on her ass. Or had one give me a birthday party (and pay). Or had one invite me to her hometown to see her sister get married....
It is OK if you don't respect them. They don't expect you to, if all you ask for and get is sex. Give a little more (I'm not talking about money), you get a little more (I'm not talking about sex).
Colorado Guy,
I did not say that it was not possible for Farangs to enjoy themselves with BG's, but that any connection with respect is limited to politeness. When you say of me that I don't respect them, you are missing my point. My view is not diametrically opposed to yours, in that I "disrespect" them. I am suggesting that the higher-minded form of respect that is being discussed, is bogus.
When you say that you have been invited to social events by BG's, you are echoing my experiences in Mexico, but our conclusions are different.
As much as I enjoyed the experience, I think I would be insulting the Mexicans if I took their social displays as signs of real friendship. I would have to believe that they are so simple-minded, so naive, that they gratuitously hand out their friendship to passing strangers. That can’t be right.
The same goes for Thai women. If I were to accept their displays of affection as genuine (in the Western sense), then I would have to believe that they were imbeciles, a sub-species of the human race, capable of serial, transient, yet somehow "meaningful" relationships with a multitude of foreign men. That too, can’t be right.
Perhaps the Farang could lay some claims to respecting BG’s if he were to certainly refrain from going with BG’s if it could be proven that (despite all appearances) BG’s were not having a good time.
But I doubt that would happen. It has already been accepted that BG’s are forced into prostitution through poverty, so I don’t see how a punter is going to be put off by the knowledge of a little more discomfort for the BG.
The “illusion” idea is caught in its own trap. If the Farang is aware that GFE is an illusion, but proceeds anyway, then the only difference between he and someone who doesn’t care, is that the Farang has somehow managed to deceive himself. Where is the giving and the respect in that ?
That there may be some successful BG/Farang relationships says nothing. It is the mistaken idea that a few exceptions or unexplained incidents can undermine a wealth of evidence to the contrary, that allows conspiracy theories to flourish, and naïve Farangs to get burned.
When members warn against sponsorship, they are not being cynical wet-blankets. Those lists do exist, and people get hurt.
Some passengers do survive air crashes, but you would be ill-advised to assume that you are certainly going to be amongst them.
CG, I have taken Western prostitutes bungy-jumping and received other “intimacies”. Does that mean that you will change your mind ? After 8 years, one remains as a freind, but then as now, we are on equal footing.
By the way, you have received the ultimate accolade of “eloquent” meaning that HJ agrees with you.
RO
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:26 am on June 5, 2005
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Repeat Offender
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HJ wrote;
....Of course, as many others have pointed out, the loving is all an illusion in most cases, but sometimes it can seem to be incredibly real. Where this situation arises with a P4P girl we are sometimes drawn into feelings and emotions, like moths towards to a flame. I expect that all but the hardest hearted amongst us have been there at some time.
Those hardest hearted, are the ones who treat the whole thing solely for what it is, the exchange of money for sex......Personally, I believe that even if one becomes attached romantically and emotionally to one of these girls, the experience gained still adds something to ones breadth and depth of character and personality.......
Hugh Jardon,
It seems that you have it both ways. You state that is an illusion, but that you get GFE anyway. In the last paragraph, you argue the case that if it is not an illusion and you become attached, you still benefit.
So, is it an illusion or not ? If it is either or both, then how do you differentiate?
I read a lot of what you get from the process, but nothing of how this affects the poor BG. How hard-hearted. I hope the knowledge that you will not forget them, keeps them warm at night.
Despite many attempts, you have not explained why you expect GFE of the BG, except to say that they are good at it.
Respectful ? No
Needy ? Yes.
RO
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:38 am on June 5, 2005
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Repeat Offender
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Mr Duck,
I would like to apologetically withdraw the "small" remark.
RO
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:41 am on June 5, 2005
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DaffyDuck
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Mr. Repeat Offender:
"You tink too mub"
Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?
[Takes a bite of steak]
Cypher: Ignorance is bliss.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:14 pm on June 5, 2005
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ColoradoGuy
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Quote: from Repeat Offender on 10:38 am on June 5, 2005
When you say of me that I don't respect them, you are missing my point.
When I wrote "if you don't respect them", *you* doesn't mean *you*, RO. I have no clue how you feel about a particular person, I have never met you.
Quote: from Repeat Offender on 10:38 am on June 5, 2005
Colorado Guy,
I did not say that it was not possible for Farangs to enjoy themselves with BG's, but that any connection with respect is limited to politeness.
And I am saying that my respect for the particular girl I cited in my examples is *not* limited to politeness.
We'll agree to disagree. Good luck.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:50 pm on June 5, 2005
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Hugh Jardon
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We'll nearly all of us have to agree to disagree with RO and even then he will try and persuade us that we are all wrong and bad people for not sharing his views.
I can see the halo shining above his head, as he is the only one who treats the BGs properly.
Even if I were to argue that black is black and white is white, he would probably come up with some counter argument. Grey is certainly not a colour within his spectrum.
In this question of respect and personal relationships. he is like the fool that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
His comprehension skills are poor. Even if one qualifies a statement by using words such as "sometimes" or "usually", he totally ignores them and thinks that one is making a statement of fact and not a generalisation.
He fails to realise that he has his code of conduct and set of values and probably applies them rigidly, disregarding that others can have their own values and behavioural patterns which differ to his. He assumes so arrogantly that where these vary from his, they are faults.
As he is so good at it, I propose that RO be apointed as resident behavioural expert and consultant to the Forum. Every FR and post concerning sex with a P4P girl, can be analysed by him and suggestions made to the poster as to how his behaviour towards the girl can be improved. Perhaps he can also post a treatise for the guidance of all Newbies, expounding his theories that no BG is to be treated with respect, lest she be thought to be an imbecile, a sub-species of the human race. If said Newbie were ever to harbour any notions of respecting them, he should desist from screwing them forthwith if he suspected that they didn't enjoy sex with him, lest she be mentally scarred by the experience. On no account is a Newbie to use the phrase GFE. He might think that it resembled that, but he is deluding himself. She is either simple-minded and naive or else she is a scheming, money grabbing bitch, depending on the viewpoint of other Bros. Confusing, isn't it? But accept the views of St. Repeat without question; or if you don't, keep quite about it, otherwise you will incur the unrelenting, withering scorn and self-righteous claptrap that brooks no counter viewpoint from this prig.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:19 am on June 6, 2005
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