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"Do you or don't you Ý???"
You don't.
If your daughter hasn't the sense to do the right thing, you have failed as a parent. ÝAssuming kids learn by example, you will compound the problem by the act of snooping and betraying whatever trust she has in you.
I don't like parents who blame their kids' problems on the external world. ÝOK, well if she gets hit by a bus, or something out of her control, I can understand, but if she has a choice between right and wrong, it's on YOU if she can't choose well...
haam sup
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:24 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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haam sup
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epc:
"Back in the old days of page 5 or so on this never-ending debate, I said I would read the mail and have a good laugh and do nothing.
Just call me pisher (whoever the f_ck this is)."
Me too.
A 'pischer' just means a naughty person or animal - I think it has something to do with pissing (on the rug), but Uncle Abe Sup has long since "run down the curtain, and joined the choir invisible", so I can't get clarification. ÝBesides, he's just a fictional amalgamation of the old Jewish men I knew as a kid.
Yowser. RIP.
haam sup
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 2:31 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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Tsonoqua
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mokewen: Ý
If you are trying to point out that many people have situational ethics, that's something that most people probably knew already. ÝI certainly know it about myself, in any event.
To answer your question, well, it depends. ÝIt depends on how old my daughter is. ÝIs she 12, 13, 14? ÝAnswer yes, I'd snoop. ÝIs she 15, 16 or 17? ÝIt would depend on my evaluation of her character and impulsiveness, as well as what type of relationship I have with her.
If she was 18, 19 or 20. ÝThe answer is probably no, although it would depend on what type of guy was after her and how stupid I though she was.
After that, she's an adult, and while I would be curious, I probably wouldn't snoop. ÝMoreover, some people can only learn the hard way. ÝWhen folks are adults, I generally stand back and let them learn. ÝHowever, the above answers are only good for me. ÝAnd say quite a bit about my character, or lack thereof. Ý
This is further complicated by the fact that while your daughter is a minor, you have certain legal obligations to her, which vary from state to state and country to country. ÝI'm sure that you don't want to get entangled with your local Children's Protective Services Division.
I partially disagree with HS on people failing as parents. ÝProfessionally, I have seen people who are good parents but have bad kids. ÝIt is every parent's responsibility to provide children experiences which allow them to make good decisions later in life. ÝHowever, just as kids learn at different rates in school, kids learn decision making and common sense at different rates. ÝIt's not always their parents' fault.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:39 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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Arcadius
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mokewen
This is is not getting real, it is merely introducing yet another hypothetical and highly specific situation light years removed from the actual case.
Yes, if you were seriously worried about your daughter's welfare, and she was of an age where this was still your responsibility, then you MIGHT feel that your need to know outweighed her right to privacy. The same would apply if you suspected her of a drug habit, an eating disorder or brainwashing by some weird religious cult.
As parent and guardian, any of these things could be regarded as very much your own business. Even so, you'd need to be mighty careful that your intervention didn't backfire disastrously. Ý
I fail to see what this has to do with snooping on the private correspondence of complete strangers, let alone taking it upon yourself to meddle in their personal relationships. This is clearly not your business at all.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:41 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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mokewen
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Arcadius....
This was meant to be a hypothetical question!
I do not have a daughter, but the number of posts got me thinking - "What would I do if I had one????"
I was soliciting opinions and keeping a thread going!
Interesting opinions so far......
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 3:33 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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The specific hypothetical situations used to justify snooping into a total stranger's emails are completely off base from the original scenario presented by Roland. Ý
If this faulty line of reasoning is acceptable, you or worse the government, would be justified to snoop at will into anyone's email accounts, letters, phone conversations, or even random search of Ýpeople and homes. ÝWhere do you stop?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:28 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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Greetings:
I think this whole email account issue is going in some many directions we really need to be clear what we are all talking about.
IMO: you can NOT compare email privacy at work vs. your home vs. ISP's vs. Government, ect.
Likewise you can NOT compare viewing or tampering with an email account that has been left logged on, with the above situations.
IMO: The question is ethically, is it okay to view or tamper with another person's account that has either mistakenly or absent-mindedly forgotten to log off and not a privacy issue.
I will restate my position to say that for the most part if I came accross an account that was still logged in, I'd just log that person off and continue with my business. ÝI might use their email address to send them a mesage letting them know they forgot to log off and to try to remember next time.
Possibly on a rare circumstance that I might read, or maybe even worse delete emails or their address book. Is that right?? No. ÝEthically its' wrong, but, being honest about it, I can say that in a rare circumstance, I MIGHT do something to the account. I can not give you an example, since I've never done this yet. I have however logged the person off without sending any type of message.
Since email privacy has been brought up!!
Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Regarding privacy:
Email privacy at work:
Email at work is to be used only for everyday business purposes, the computer systems at work are the property of your employer, email may be monitored and you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in your use of email.
If the government employs you, the rules are similar.
ISP email privacy:
The ECPA also permits an ISP to look through all stored messages, including email awaiting you in your mailbox or recently sent and received mail. Some ISPs temporarily store all messages that pass through the system. The ECPA normally prevents the ISP from disclosing the messages to others, but even here there are exceptions.
Home Email Privacy:
Sending an email from home doesn't guarantee that your messages will be fully protected from prying eyes.
You want to protect your email, then you will need to use some encryption program/system.
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I think people that use email should just think of it like a postcard, not a letter. Your message open to every eye along the way.
FAQ On Email Privacy:
http://www.andrebacard.com/email.html
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:06 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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This debate seems to degenerated into a slanging match amongst the usual quorum, but from reading most of the previous replies, it seems that we have some very self-righteous moralists in this forum.
There seems to be a strong desire to punish the wrong-doing BG and rescue the meek farang victim. I look forward to the next witch-burning.
The fact that the e-mail system is vulnerable to snooping, or that the BG was careless, does not jusify meddling in her affairs. The consequences of informing the recipients of her e-mails cannot be assessed, so by doing so, you are gambling with someone else's life. Ý
The very anonymity of the e-mail system allows for such behaviour. Would you go up to some 30-something kissing and cuddlling with his new found 'girlfriend' in a bar and and inform him of the impending dangers ?
Irony aside, appeals to Darwinism do not work because natural selection has no motive and is blind to its effects. At least natural selection is honest.
RO
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:31 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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Lets look at it another way, the anology bkkz gave , i believe is valid.....the damage caused to a building and those in it when it is exploded by a terrorist, is surely if preventable, a higher ideal, than privacey?.....If a preist hears a man confess to raping and murdering children, again the rights of the innocent must be paramount......its about varying degrees ofcourse.... But remember , the farangs in question , are in all likely hood (arcadius) sending money with the same innocence to the person that would harm them.. Sure its a much less heinous crime, driving perhasp a trusting loveless man to heartbreak and eventually dispair, (or enlightenment)....but it is wrong.. To the observer, the obligation might justifiably lay in warning those involved even at a principle broken such as privacy.... Remember, she left the open case (for all to see).....some men might loose alot more than money , out of her actions.....even in extreme cases sucide. I am unmoved on the importance, of protecting her privacy, over simply saving individuals suffering. Be it being burnt literally in a building, or in the heart sense......the man /woman who is engauged in harm, must expect at some point justice to catch them out....not logging out is that instrument for a just outcome, and the crime to end., and /or be prevented!
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:08 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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The "sponsor' scam" exists beacause there are people (men) that are feeding it despite the fact that they are aware of the game BG/TG are playing....but for them is ok....so who are we then to come and try to destroy their dreams/illusions?
Whos is a "good friend"? The one that goes and kills the feelings of other's friends or the one that respect them and really cares of their happyness?
For someone a donkey is wothless, for others the very same donkey is necessary for their own living......
As a brother says "Fairy tales should be respected"
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:21 pm on Oct. 12, 2003
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