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Phil_This
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Hello All. This is my first post and I just wanted to say hi and comment that after lurking and reading much of this forum this is really an eclectic and interesting group. 
I thought to post a question with the hope that someone with similar experience might be able to help me gain some insight...
You see, though I am a born and raised in the USA American... I look 100% Thai. I'm mostly Filipino with a hint of Caucasian, but without fail I can fool both Thai people and farangs alike. At first I thought it was cool... With just a few learned phrases I was easily able to blend in and observe from the unusual point of view of being a foreigner whom everyone thinks is Thai.
It was amusing to the see the shock of disbelief and the sudden confusion a TG would go through to throw out her perceived views of a Thai male when interacting with me. Slowly I started to notice the subtle differences in how Thai girls treat other Thais versus how they treat foreigners.
It's been my experience that I'm initially scorned by the TBG as being a Thai male, but it still does not prevent a few from approaching me. But then as soon as word spreads that I'm not Thai... they seem to swarm...
It made me start to wonder about what TGs find physically attractive. Are Thai women generally attracted to the physical characteristics of a Thai male versus that of a obvious foreigner? Generalizing for a minute... assuming that that the rest of the world would agree that a given Thai male and an anglo-saxon male were at the same level of attractiveness and the only offsetting difference was the perceived cultural dispostion and stygmatism a Thai female would have for a Thai male and a foreigner... Would a typical BG be more attracted to the Thai male?
Given that a well off Thai male would not marry a female of lower status and that most Thai males are not in a position to be of financial benefit to a bargirl, would this exclude Thai males from being approached by a Thai female for a potential meal ticket?
Now before I get flamed... This is by no means an attempt to try and judge Thai males or farangs as being more attractive than the other. That is highly subjective and merely a matter of opinion. I'm just hoping to get some comments to put my own personal experiences into better perspective... Thanks all for your comments.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:00 am on Jan. 11, 2003
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Packripper
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All IMO, as usual. 
Well, if you're comparing BGs to MP girls, you'll find (again IMO) that the BGs might not like your presence (if you appear Thai) in their workplace as much as an MP girl (again note that there are local style MPs and foreign style MPs, and of course 'preferences' will vary). That doesn't necesasrily mean they don't like Thais, because you'll also find that a lot of these girls "who don't like Thai guys" have Thai boyfriends. I'll say "a lot" instead of "most" or "all" because I know most of the fellas around here want to believe that their girls don't have any other boyfriends.
The reasoning is this: the bar and gogo atmosphere is more open to local society than an MP (behind closed doors, and hence not really "public" ). Some parts of society (both males and females) sometimes might happen through these gogo and bar areas just to browse, gawk, shop, or guide foreigners (both falang and Asian) on tours. From an Asian mindset, this can be embarrassing (to be working "publicly" in a biz that goes against most traditional values). It'd be like if you were a Chinese dishwasher in the US.... you might not think much about washing dishes foreigners (perhaps "barbarians" ) eat off of, but you probably don't want your own countrymen streaming by and watching you wash dishes (even though it is relatively lucrative).
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 5:35 am on Jan. 11, 2003
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pinga
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PHIL THIS,
Welcome on board.
According to my experience most of the B-girls are reluctant to interact with a Thai customer. Many resons are given i.e. got a baby and the Thai bf is gone, the bastard use to beat them after a couple of Singha beers, the Thai bf is a butterfly screewing even friends of her, etc. etc. In summary, the common say is "Thai man NO good"
In the case of the MPs catering mainly Thai people, Thai customers get definitely a better attitude from the TGs. However, in the MPs mainly catering a mixed clientele (farang+Thai) this may vary.
Just my personal experience....
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:40 am on Jan. 11, 2003
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Arcadius
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Re 'Thai man no good'.
This is certainly something many BGs say, and it's one of those things I just don't believe. I've always assumed it's something they say because they think it's what we want to hear. We may well believe we have no hope of competing with a Thai BF who speaks the lingo and knows the culture; but if we can be made to think that the only competition are other farang - well, at least we're on a level playing field. I think it's all part of creating the illusion that the BG has (or might conceive) a special interest in ourselves.
Of course, many the girls have had very bad experiences with Thai men - some so bad that it's pushed them into the scene. But I can't believe they haven't had bad experiences with farang men too. At any event, it's quite impossible that they can believe that farang men (in general) are God's gift.
Some of the girls say they don't like men, period. This I can believe.
With all respect to Packripper (whose knowledge of Thai culture is infinitely superior to mine), I can't accept the implication that all BGs have local BFs. A couple I know as 'friends' (and who are under no illusions about me as a potential BF or sponsor) certainly don't. I don't believe they're lesbians either, although quite a few BGs are. They just don't seem to need a man as an emotional support.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 9:49 am on Jan. 11, 2003
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seubeu
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I'm sure that most TGs have had a TBF before, and many to most have one currently. Sure some do not, and some TGs are going to prefer something different. After all it works the same way for us (I'm not attracted to blondes as a general rule, although I will make exceptions).
As for if TGs are more physically attracted to Thai/Asian males, well that stands to reason as those are the physical qualities that they were raised around. Most Asians prefer a very slender build versus a thicker build. Most westerners are built thicker than Asians. I'm sure that there are other physical characteristics (like hairstyle) that they are more familiar and comfortable with. Now some things on foreigners may be found exotic and attractive (maybe eyes, skin tone and nose), but in general it would make sense that Thai features would be more attractive to a Thai.
This is not to mention the cultural and linguistic aspects which can be construed as positive or negative.
Sorry to make so many generalizations in this post, but as applied across a group of people this is really the only way to go. Individual results will vary wildly.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:47 am on Jan. 11, 2003
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Packripper
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thanks for the props Arcadius, but really... I'm only as 'Thai' as a Thai who grew up abroad and lived here for 6 years.
still IMO and still generalizing, so don't take these as absolutes:
Of course they don't ALL have boyfriends, but I think among BGs, it's a rare thing for them not to have some kind of bf or social crutch. Their criteria for a bf (Thai or otherwise) is typically someone who can either provide emotional or financial support. Considering their place in the scheme of things... that means pretty much anyone who is male. Money (sugar daddy or big brother type) and companionship can be interchangeable. More often it'll be the latter: some slacker guy as bf character. This has become the common Thai slacker boyfriend stereotype. It's come about because guess what... the only people (other than starry eyed falangs) who are willing to accept and fall in love with MP/BGs for the long term are motorcycle guys, bartenders, the unemployed, etc.
As for regular Thai gals, now it's not odd at all for them not to have boyfriends (I run into late twenties, early thirties virgins all the time), as the criteria for a decent fellow for them is much more selective (emotional, long term financial stability, plus a host of family compatibility issues).
The BG/MP girls is a very lonely creature. She definitely needs some kind of support after work. There ARE girls who purposely remain boyfriendless (falang and Thai alike), but these are the rare few who are hell bent (wisely) on hurrying up and making their money. These girls you'll hardly ever run into because they don't go out much at all to clubs or whatever. Just look at the girls that you do know (and for those in relationships where YOU are the bf), you'll often come to realize that these gals don't know how to be alone. Always calling, always lonely. Everything is viewed on a very short event horizon. You disappear for 2 weeks, it might be like going away for 2 years. That's why you hear of tales where the guy went home for a month and comes back to find the girl already has a new boyfriend or is about to get married.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:56 am on Jan. 11, 2003
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Arcadius
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seubeu
Yes, the differences between BGs are huge - this is a major part of their appeal. In fact, I'd say I can guess less about their individual attitudes than I can about many farang women if I know their age, class and nationality.
"most Asians prefer a very slender build versus a thicker build"
Well this is excellent news, since I've always been on the small and scrawny side for a male farang (hardly a plus with farang women). I now realise the BGs actually want me for my body, so perhaps they can start paying me for a change.
Let's not get over-excited about this. I'll kick off at 500ST/1,000LT and see what the market will bear.
"it would make sense that Thai features would be more attractive to a Thai"
Not so sure about that one. I mean, it doesn't necessarily apply to farang, does it, so why should it apply to them? Oriental (especially SE Asian) women have always driven me wild, and I now find it difficult to raise any sexual interest at all in farang women.
Well, OK, I'm not going to chuck Sarah Michelle Gellar or Jennifer Love Hewitt out of the bed in disgust, but you know what I mean...
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:17 pm on Jan. 11, 2003
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Ballsburstin
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Pack,
Good points. In the bar scene, I think the biggest customer preference is the perception of who will pay them the most -- so sometimes that isn't farang, might be Japanese, for example.
My TGF has expressed a few preferences, and I've asked her to be more specific about what she finds attractive in both Thai and farang men. Her short list: lithe body with "bpoom bpooy nit noy" as she doesn't find big muscles or fat bodies attractive, someone who dresses well (but not with conspicuous consumption), someone who can speak some Thai, a good heart, a "good brain," financial reliability, light drinker, non-smoker (she's allergic to smoke), no-drugs, "calm heart" and reflects that in speech and deed (doesn't really describe me, ha!), emotionally reliable. She doesn't consider Thai men "mai suay," and in fact has specific physical preferences in what she considers an attractive Thai man.
But her main concern is someone who is realiable emotionally and otherwise, whether this be Thai or farang. She originally gave me the "want farang" line, but I didn't buy it. It's easy to rebut that line by pointing out all the Thai men in her family and circle of friends who are very good, hardworking people.
By comparison, her cousin, who is working the clubs again, had a farang sponsor while she also had a series (as far as I can tell) of Thai boyfriends. The farang never knew this, and she did it because she didn't want to be alone in his absence. At the time, he was the only farang in her life, so in her mind, she was keeping up her end of the deal.
So I agree with the other posters, the ladies will hit us with the usual cliches, but their prospects of being BF'd by us are not enhanced by them launching into a diatribe on the abusive farangs they have met.
- Balls
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:34 pm on Jan. 11, 2003
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seubeu
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Quote: from Arcadius on 1:17 am on Jan. 12, 2003
seubeu"it would make sense that Thai features would be more attractive to a Thai"
Not so sure about that one. I mean, it doesn't necessarily apply to farang, does it, so why should it apply to them? Oriental (especially SE Asian) women have always driven me wild, and I now find it difficult to raise any sexual interest at all in farang women.
It's because it's the standard of beauty that they grew up with. Same for most people in their home countries. We are told that so and so is beautiful, and you come to accept it. It's not that some guys don't like Asian women, for sure most guys here probably do, but that's more the exception than the rule. When's the last time a woman of Asian descent won Ms. America? Never. Sure, Ms. Thailand has won the Ms. Universe contest a couple of times, but it's more typical for a blonde haired, blue eyed girl to become the winner since that's the standard. Same thing, but in reverse, in Thailand. And in reverse, I'm sure there's a lot of guys intrigued and fascinated by blonde haired, blue eyed farang women, but most marry and fall in love with Thai women. For a number of reasons to be sure, but don't think that it's purely for lack of access.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 12:47 pm on Jan. 11, 2003
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Arcadius
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Parckripper
"The BG/MP girl is a very lonely creature. She definitely needs some kind of support after work"
Well, I can certainly believe that. Thais are nothing if not gregarious; there are far fewer natural loners among them than among Westerners.
But, after all, many BGs don't live alone - quite a lot live in BKK with other BGs, friends from the village or members of the family. So long as they've got this sort of support, I'm not convinced that they all need (or even want) the intensity of a one-on-one BF/GF relationship.
Of course, the stupidest thing any farang can do is to go back home, leaving his BG in an apartment by herself to study English or whatever. Imho, this set-up is both cruel and doomed - no matter how much money he's sending her.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:53 pm on Jan. 11, 2003
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