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manowar
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http://www.phuketgazette.net/news/index.asp?id=4517
Good or bad for LOS ? Where do you think they will put the casinos ? Phuket ? Pattaya ? Chiang Mai ? Bangkok ? What would it add to the mongering night lives ? More gogos ? beer bars ? G-Clubs ? Gee, sky is the limit. This will really push LOS to a whole new level. Can't wait or it's bad for LOS ? us ?
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Posted on: 9:19 pm on Sep. 9, 2005
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bound4bangkok
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Hello all
No way I waste my money in a casino in Thailand. Las Vegas is the place for gambling. Thailand is the place for mongering.
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Posted on: 12:38 am on Sep. 10, 2005
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bimmher
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I say great, under a couple of conditions.
They have blackjack!
Rules are single deck.
Dealer stands on soft 17.
Double down on any two cards.
Double down after splitting.
Double down on soft hands.
Splitting aces is OK.
Blackjack pays 3 to 2.
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Good penetration to 3/4 of the deck needed also
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Bring it on!! Will pay for my trip in winnings if they do that 
Other then that I don't care. Blackjack is the only game you have a chance of making any money at and then only if you are very good.
Of course the chances that Thailand will have the above rules is about nill.
Under the above rules (that at one time you could find) I could play and beat the house with no problem. I know a lot about blackjack by the way
For that matter I don't think anywhere has those rules now. If you know of anywhere let me know as I will be off for a trip there in a flash.
bimmher
PS I will settle for a double deck game with the same rules but still not as good as a single deck game.
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Posted on: 1:07 am on Sep. 10, 2005
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manowar
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Quote: from bimmher on 9:35 pm on Sep. 9, 2005
I say great, under a couple of conditions.
They have blackjack!
Rules are single deck.
Dealer stands on soft 17.
Double down on any two cards.
Double down after splitting.
Double down on soft hands.
Splitting aces is OK.
Blackjack pays 3 to 2.
Bring it on!! Will pay for my trip in winnings if they do that
Other then that I don't care. Blackjack is the only game you have a chance of making any money at and then only if you are very good.
Of course the chances that Thailand will have the above rules is about nill.
Under the above rules (that at one time you could find) I could play and beat the house with no problem. I know a lot about blackjack by the way
For that matter I don't think anywhere has those rules now. If you know of anywhere let me know as I will be off for a trip there in a flash.
bimmher
PS I will settle for a double deck game with the same rules but still not as good as a single deck game.
sounds like you know how to "count" cards......only single deck will work, but most casinos now have 4 decks......they know what you know.
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Posted on: 3:20 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
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Bangkoksexydotcom
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my guess is they place it either in Koh Chang were Thaksin bought up most of the land and already have some 5 star resorts or some were else were he already bought land
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Posted on: 3:26 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
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expatchuck
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I have heard his wife bought some land near the Ambassador Hotel near Jomtien as well as off of Siam Country Club Road.
Jomtien ok, Siam CC not ok (for me).
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Posted on: 10:59 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
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CalEden
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Quote: from bimmher on 10:35 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
Blackjack is the only game you have a chance of making any money at and then only if you are very good.
Craps with double odds and you play the come / pass line only with double odds are better than blackjack. The approximate odds under your stated conditions are about 5% house advantage, craps about 2.5% house advantage.
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Posted on: 11:35 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
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The Machine
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CalEden
You are correct.....I can tell you are an accountant....
The first time I went to a casino in the mid seventies I was working for Deloittes as an auditor and all the old guys told me that craps gave the best odds.
I played blackjack and won and they all lost....still you are right.
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Posted on: 11:46 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
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bimmher
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For anyone who finds theory boring just jump to the end to find out your real odds in blackjack for the rules I posted above assuming you play correct strategy for every hand.
Quote: from manowar on 8:48 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
sounds like you know how to "count" cards......only single deck will work, but most casinos now have 4 decks......they know what you know.
Incorrect for the rules I posted, what you state is correct if you are not counting cards  Dam hard to count a 4 deck shoe though, I can't. See below for the exact odds.
Quote: from CalEden on 5:03 am on Sep. 11, 2005
Quote: from bimmher on 10:35 pm on Sep. 10, 2005
Blackjack is the only game you have a chance of making any money at and then only if you are very good.
Craps with double odds and you play the come / pass line only with double odds are better than blackjack. The approximate odds under your stated conditions are about 5% house advantage, craps about 2.5% house advantage.
Quote: from The Machine on 5:14 am on Sep. 11, 2005
CalEden
You are correct.....I can tell you are an accountant....
The first time I went to a casino in the mid seventies I was working for Deloittes as an auditor and all the old guys told me that craps gave the best odds.
I played blackjack and won and they all lost....still you are right.
Sorry you are both wrong but it is a very common misconception, I will show you why.
Hmmm? little lesson in blackjack needed I think.
Where did you come up with 5% house advantage  . The craps % I can figure out but the 5% blackjack one has me stumped? I would not be surprised if Thailand figures out a way to have a 5% edge in blackjack.
Craps is easy as are most games to figure out as it is just an odds thing. The odds can be crunched with computers and out come the odds in favour of the house ie the advantage to the house.
Blackjack is also still just an odds thing but the player has the ability to drastically raise the odds in favour of the casino by playing really bad. Casinos love bad blackjack players as they end up with very nice odds on their side.
The odds at blackjack change every time the dealer pulls another card out. The more low cards that are dealt the better the odds become for the player. The ones that are the best are 4,5 and 6. When I say the best I don't mean to get them but how they change the odds. This is because the ratio of low to high cards is changed for the deck. A deck rich in high cards means the player has the advantage.
Most games are like a lottery. Every time you role the dice in craps the odds of hitting a number remain the same. If you role 7 nine times in a row the chance that you will role another 7 is the same as anytime you role the dice. Now the chance of rolling 7 ten times in a row is very low but on the last role the chance is still the same. It is still just a pair of dice.
A simple way to think of blackjack is like betting on a gumball machine. The machine has 10 red and 10 white gum balls. What are the odds a white or red gumball will come out? 50/50. If you put your money in and a white gumball comes out what are the odds that the next one will be red? Not 50/50 because now there are only 9 white and 10 red left. Well you get my point. Craps is like after you get a white gumball you put it back in the machine so there are again 10 red and 10 white gum balls so you are back to square one.
Most people will loose more money at a blackjack table then most other games not because the odds are worse in blackjack (they in fact are better) but because they change the odds to the advantage of the house by playing really, really bad blackjack.
Every combination of cards in blackjack has a set move to make. This is called basic strategy. Unless you count cards never, never change your move from basic strategy or you are just raising the odds in favour of the house. There is more then one basic strategy depending on the number of decks and the rules.
If you play basic strategy with the rules I posted above you wouldn't even have to count cards as you will be playing with an advantage over the house.
Your advantage would be 0.16% 1 deck, -0.175% 2 decks, -0.34% 4 decks,-0.43% 8 decks. In real life they are not this good as the dealer will not deal down to the last card. As you can see you could beat the house with the rules I posted in a single deck game if you played perfect basic strategy AND there was good penetration into the deck.
Blackjack odds calculator
Basic Strategy for single deck
A simple 1 level counting system
Counting systems compared
My numbers might be a little off but not much.
Have fun!
bimmher
PS never get sucked into a single deck game paying 6 to 5 blackjack. You are better off playing a shoe with 8 decks that pays 3 to 2 blackjack.
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Posted on: 2:22 am on Sep. 11, 2005
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koolbreez
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your basic odds calculations are somewhat correct mathmatically. The best odd on any game for the player in baccarat, 1.14% house advantage. The next is craps at 1.27%. These are also the games the casino makes the most money from percentage wise. Odds on the game, and actual house take/win is considerably different.
Baccarat makes the most money because it is the game that offers the largest bet possibilities. If you have the money, or credit line, you can make a bigger single bet on baccarat than any other game in a casino. The big boys in the world play baccarat. A very big game with asians.
Craps is number 2 as far as how much money the casino makes on a game, it is also the fastest game in the casino. The best odds on the game is betting the passline, taking odds on the passline bet does not change the odds at all. Taking odds is the only even money bet on the layout, but, you can't make an odds bet unless a passline bet has been made. It doesn't matter if the house offeres single odds, or 10x odds, it's an even money bet so nothing changes. Any other bet on the layout just increases the house odds.
Blackjack is totally different, because you can count the cards that come off the deck, you can get an actual odds count on every hand. As stated, the more 10 value cards the better it favors the player. If a person doesn't count cards, the house edge is 3.14%. Blackjack is the only game played that a player can actually beat the house, but it is alot of mental work. The win rate works out on the long run to what ever your small bet is/an hour. This is not easy. After you learn a good counting system, then you have to overcome the right of a casino to refuse service to anyone, and there are a number of ppl watching constantly.
On all these games, no matter what the house odds are, the casino ends up winning 16%-18% of all money that crosses the tables. Ppl don't quit playing after they've bet there $100 at $5 bets, they take their leftover $96.86, and start over.
It's interesting that the lowest odds games make the most money for the casino. It's all volume, and speed.
BTW the worst odds of any game in the casino is keno.
Some casinos offer a $1million payout if a player picks 12 out of 12. In the history of every keno game in the state of Nevada, a 12 spot has never been hit.
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Posted on: 2:23 pm on Sep. 11, 2005
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