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expatchuck
Well put, VJ.

A good post and I agree completely.


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Posted on: 12:18 am on Mar. 22, 2004
Hermanolobo
Don't forget their ships are 'dry' unlike the Royal Navy so they won't be used to the booze.

So if the the dates are 13th-27th May when are they NOT around ?


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Posted on: 3:20 am on Mar. 22, 2004
Vancouver Jay
I don't recall if this is a big year or a small year for Cobra Gold. But as a rule it's quiet for the first half, then gets busy for the second half of the dates.

The peak days will probably be May 21-25. Some sailors will be held back a few days by their sadistic chiefs, a few will be restricted for bad behavior as time goes on, and liberty will be reduced in the last few days before the ships get underway again.

Good times. Good times.


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Posted on: 3:46 am on Mar. 22, 2004
Vancouver Jay
The CG-04 Homepage:
http://www.apan-info.net/cobragold/fullstory.asp?id=13



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Posted on: 7:01 am on April 27, 2004
jumblatts
From what I've witnessed during several Cobra Gold exercises, I agree with both Kaiser and VJ. The vast majority of the US guys are very well behaved and a pleasure to meet. They do have an incentive - if they get caught doing something antisocial ( fighting, smashing up a bar etc) not only are they sent back to the brig, but they're also banned from visiting with the services again.


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Posted on: 8:24 am on April 27, 2004
compexec1
Does Cobra Gold effect the action in Bangkok at all? I will be in Bangkok around this operation, the 23-29 of May.


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Posted on: 1:14 pm on April 27, 2004
wingman
VJ,

Please tell me this this is not true!!

Just booked my flight today & planned to spend 21 May - 25 May in Pattaya as a change from BKK & Phuket.

Have been through many visits to Patong that coincided with the US Navy - most generally OK (tho shortage of girls and most only wanted ST - but one a few years ago was absolute carnage. I swore I would never do that again.

Any experiences? What is Pattay like when the Navy is in town?


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Posted on: 1:42 pm on April 27, 2004
chasingwhtrabitz
I served in the Marine Corps and our movements were always limited and closely watched when we were in foreign ports. We always received a list of establishments we were not allowed. The MPs and COs loved to catch people in these places and make examples out of them. It always pissed us off to see Navy staff and Army staff in these places when we were all under the same orders. If I remember correctly this is supposed to be a smaller excercise with fewer countries participating this year than in years past. With that said I still dont wanna be anywhere in Thailand with a bunch of US military personnel. At the moment it seems like it would be one hell of a security risk.


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Posted on: 2:28 pm on April 27, 2004
Vancouver Jay
"Does Cobra Gold effect the action in Bangkok at all? I will be in Bangkok around this operation, the 23-29 of May."

Only slightly. Some small percentage of people will choose BKK instead of PTY, but not enough to notice. And some number of working girls from Bangkok and even Phuket will defect for a week or two.

"Please tell me this this is not true!!"

OK, it's not true. That's 500 baht please. I'm learning from the Thais to be loose with the truth when there's money on the line.

"Any experiences? What is Pattay [sic] like when the Navy is in town?"

The biggest problem with the servicemen is public stupidity rather than overt aggression. Carrying their own beer bought from a convenience store from bar to bar is a prime example, as are public vomiting, blocked sidewalks and the like.

The biggest problem with the girls is that they're looking for the quick score, so if you're not under 30 and sporting a crewcut, you may not get a lot of play. There's a two-tier competition going on with them to pull the best looking guys and rake in the most money.

And even though very few enlisted men will have overnight privileges -- it's really only officers and non-comms who get that, the rest bunk aboard ship -- cheap hotel rooms will still be scarce, since guys will pool resources for party rooms.

"We always received a list of establishments we were not allowed."

There is a lot of planning that goes into the off-limits list. Not only are high-risk places and those with a history of ripoffs or other trouble going to be out of bounds, but the size of the security zone depends on the number of MP/SP available, the general security state, etc.

"If I remember correctly this is supposed to be a smaller excercise with fewer countries participating this year than in years past."

With 13,500 US and 6000 Thai servicemen involved, it's sort of a medium sized exercise, either a smallish big year or a largish small one. The actual number of servicemen on the loose at once in Pattaya will probably not exceed six or seven thousand though.

"With that said I still dont wanna be anywhere in Thailand with a bunch of US military personnel. At the moment it seems like it would be one hell of a security risk."

Maybe or maybe not. 2000 western punters with only the Thai police to defend them are probably a softer target [think Bali] than 7000 US servicemen with the full resources of the DoD and other agencies looking after them. My gut says that Pattaya is never safer than during Cobra Gold.


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Posted on: 10:52 pm on April 27, 2004
samthedog
Boys,
My two 'apeth worth.

Much as I respect American servicemen, and have had some great runs ashore with them in the past around the world (they get pissed easy but are up for anything), but the last place I would want to be is in Pattaya when they swarm ashore.
Two years ago I was staying there overnight, and vowed "never again". It was impossible. Couldn't even get on the dive boat from the pier, 'cause they had "bought" the friggin' thing. Sorry boys, it’s not necessarily the company I kept, but also the affect on the local female population. (thats the f_cking whores to some of you). Too much competition in the bars for non-combatants. Full of sex-starved young boys with stiff cocks, open mouths and open wallets. They were bussing in whores (overage and hungry) from all over Thailand, for Chrissakes.
I will leave it to the professionals next time, and stick to Bangkok.
Meeeoooow.


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Posted on: 5:51 am on April 28, 2004
     

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