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... Voranai is more cynical than I... I love his branding of Toxin as 'Il Duce', Italy's buffoonish tyranical dictator... in me, it evokes memories of that world famous photo of the dead dictator unceremoniously hung by his heels, on display in the town square.
... the guy really digs in on Toxin, chidding and teasing in a smart, insulting way... Toxin reaching between strongman Yabumrung's legs for 'the ball' (his American football euphemism) ? Toxin riding a buffalo (in triumphant return) ? what a stitch!... the sort of stuff Thais find really offensive.
... Voranai's life might get a bit uncomfortable if Toxin succeeds in returning... exiled back to Texas seems likely... pounding unrelentingly on Thailand's fundamental cultural, political and social deformations, the young man is building quite a reputation for himself as a distinctively different Generation Next Thai.
... while Voranai must appear now as an annoyance to the majority of inbred elitist, their arrogance might one day give way to a of view him as a real threat and he will unnerve their poor inbred little brains... as DG observed, history is on his side... 'our' side... the side of human enlightenment and civil behavior.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:39 pm on April 14, 2012
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Slightly Off topic...but related to..
human enlightenment and civil behavior
A quick example of Thai Audacity every Songran.
The following is an article that was sent from Bangkokpost.com.
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http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/288992/transvestite-fined-for-topless-dance
Footage of his bare-breasted dance sparked a public outcry after it spread through various social networks.
Mr Sarawut was fined 500 baht by police and released.
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Not much outcry about the 500,000 hookers servicing cock...or the multitudes of pole shuffles with tags indicating they are for rent.?
Footnote for Magnum.....
If Thaksin returns our brave warrior friends days may well be numbered.
Thaksin is ruthless and will not allow this guys statements to go unpunished.
Unless of course he ( VV ) knows something we don't...and Thaksin would himself be assassinated were he to test the Thai waters?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 4:22 pm on April 16, 2012
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Quote: from dirty guru on 4:22 am on April 17, 2012
Unless of course he ( VV ) knows something we don't...and Thaksin would himself be assassinated were he to test the Thai waters.?
... this is a bit long-winded, but indulge me.
... the competition for the Thai throne and royal dominion has a long history of bloody treachery... the King held/holds 'god' status and untold riches and power... a treasure for which blood sacrifices are worth making.
... (Forbes caught flake here for estimating the King's wealth at USD 35-40 billion, making him the world's richest royal by a factor of 2x... pretty rich spoils).
... Thai princes could be killed (and were) by rivals to the throne... of course, not by the rivals themselves, but by the interests that control them (as I read, mostly military and the family factions with whom they align)... the princes themselves needed to remain spiritually 'pure', as the King is also the titular head of Thailand's own Theravada brand of Buddhism... (no hypocrisy there, eh?).
... once a prince was named a 'crown' prince, he was off limits and could not be touched... (disregarding what happened to the King's older brother, who was likely murdered after being installed as Crown Prince).
... this was the reason the current King's mother kept him and his older brother in Europe, away from the Thai royal court while they were growing up... she knew that the window between making landfall in Siam and being installed as Crown Prince was when an assassination could change fortunes massively.
... even then, she was unable to protect her eldest son, the King's older brother, from the blood treachery.
... with that as a background, consider that the battle for absolute monarch-like control of Thailand is shifting from the treacherous royal courts to the equally treacherous Chinese-Thai oligarchs... this is the battlefield on which Toxin is waging his fight for ultimate power and wealth.
... the same impossible riches await the victorious Chinese-Thai mandarin who will wrest control from the royal inbreds... is there any reason to believe the fight will be any less treacherous, maybe even worse?
... so, this is a long-winded reply to the question you pose... could Toxin's life be at risk?.. my opinion?.. I see no reason why Thais will wage this battle any differently than their predecessors.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:50 pm on April 16, 2012
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Thaksin expressed his intentions when he placed himself as the first person greeting those royals from all of the world here to wish the King a happy 80th birthday.
He was not invited, and had no business being there, yet he was the first person greeting the royal guests, and the King referenced his displeasure with this in his birthday speech to the people the next day. He didn't name him directly, but the inferences were there as to his displeasure of Thaksin's presence.
The King is getting old, and Thaksin is setting himself up to replace him. He has already shown he has no qualms about killing innocent people.
The prince doesn't have the same standing with the people as the King does. He has had some indescretions in his life not viewed as vertuous so Thaksin views this as his avenue into the monarchy.
Money bought Thaksin a PM position, and is buying him status above the laws, the next step after the King passes on is to buy himself a monarchy. Enough Thais are so hung up thinking they will get some of his money that he will attempt it. There are others that will try to stop him, but he is slowly replacing their legal avenue to do so.
A big problem with Thaksin, and the signs of his intentions is he truly believes he has never done anything wrong. He presents himself as god like, and uses his money to cement that status. He is truly dangerous. Being a monarch will give him access to the wealth, and with a little publicity he could very easily be rated as the richest man in the world. That IS his dream.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:30 pm on April 16, 2012
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I feel the army will stay loyal to the King and the elitists.
Should Thaksin be granted the right to return it may be a false assurance and the elitists may move against him.
Here is an army generals assurance it won't happen.
This counts for little
The following is an article that was sent from Bangkokpost.com.
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http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/289472/prayuth-leave-the-army-alone
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:45 pm on April 19, 2012
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A nice twist has developed on the piece about the ladyboy fined for going topless during Songkran. The women's rights groups are pressing the case into the courts as the ladyboy's ID clearly states he is still listed as a male, and it is legal for males to go topless.
They use examples on every beach in Thailand, and males, no matter what their ethnicity, as being able to go topless without any thought of a fine by the police, and without having to resort to pay-offs in order to do it.
It is going to be interesting if this fine is returned, and if not how their case in court progresses in relation to equal rights for professed women, as clearly the police have labeled him, yet refuse to let him change his ID card to reflect his choice.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:33 pm on April 21, 2012
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Quote: from dirty guru on 5:45 am on April 20, 2012
I feel the army will stay loyal to the King and the elitists.
Should Thaksin be granted the right to return it may be a false assurance and the elitists may move against him.
Here is an army generals assurance it won't happen.
This counts for little
(... BK... I deleted all proper nouns, to avoid any mistaken attributions).
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... sorry, guys... another long one... this sort of trade in ideas helps me to really think about and test my own views on what might be the future here.
... I actually wrote this relating to DG's comment on Voranai's op-ed piece last week, and just didn't post it... but, it is still relevant to his article this week, about the 'Fading Yellows'... (an analogy to the royalists, I believe).
... as you wrote, DG, who knows what the reality is with these guys? the military emphatically stated right up to the day before the last coup d'etat that there would be no coup d'etat... next day, tanks rolled.
... no sense in spoiling everyone's day, until you absolutely got to, I guess.
... the pragmatic presumption for people in positions of authority here, public or private, elected, appointed, or inherited by luck of the DNA, is that if their lips are moving, and their is advantage to someone in what they are saying, then they are probably lying.
... from direct interviews with the very 'Top Kick', William Stephenson's book describes the monarchy's relationship with the military... the author documents the intrigue by competing royal factions allying with different military factions to win each succession of the throne, or control of the throne, going back at least to the early 1900's, when the author's citations begin... presumably, it's been going on since long before that.
... the monarchy has historically enjoyed the support of the millions of illiterate poor, who relied on the benevolence of the monarchy to pass them enough crumbs to subsist... the inbred royalists also hung close to the royal robes, but for more than mere crumbs... now, it is 21st Century feudalism.
... to avoid the threat to many anachronistic monarchies (a peasants revolution, a la France 1789), the military needs a passified peasantry... the royalists also want this, making it symbiotic... so, the military, as well as the Machiavelian royal court, skillfully manipulate the monarchy, which historically has held the key to controlling simple, subservient peasants... on this, Stephenson's book is a fascinating read.
... the undeniable fact is that the military controls the country, and has for generations... the clearest evidence is that when the military is displeased, they throw a coup d'etat... and here, they've done lots of 'em.
... the relationship between monarchy and military is all about money... the richest monarchy in the world (by a factor of 2x, estimated by Forbes at USD 35-40 billion) has historically paid for the military's allegiance... and they have until the last decade or so held all the country's wealth to buy that allegiance.
... and don't ignore the succession of generals who have held the PM's seat before the privileged royalists got to lightly hold the reins (all with the military's approval, of course... makes it all appear more legitimate), and now followed by a non-royal, now fugitive, criminal.
... fast forward to present day... a new wealth is arisen... the Chinese oligarchs... in every Asian nation to which the vanquished Nationalist Chinese migrated, they have economically overrun the locals... here they've done the same, since their arrival up north after they were driven from the Godless PRC into the Golden Triangle in 1948.
... they are using their wealth to buy the people's allegiance through elected office, using their own money to buy elected office (still a corrupt patronage political system), and then brilliantly using the nation's own public coffers to pay for poor investments in grand patronage give-away projects for the poor.
... they are at the same time breaking the poor's historic economic reliance on and linkage to the monarchy... and they are succeeding... (this gives rise to the threat of broad civil conflict, and racial conflict that attend the rise of the Chinese elsewhere in Asia... closely related, but another topic).
... so... the military is now witnessing two important tectonic shifts:
1 - a new, alternative source of money, dished by uber-rich newly minted billionaires who have long practiced corruptly buying their way to influence with the locals; and,
2 - a new group claiming influence over a very large portion of the population, for whom the monarchy formerly served as benefactor.
... the military now faces a decision... a tough one... will a transition from constitutional monarchy to a republic really happen, and when?. (history says 'yes', even aside from the questionable worthiness of the next royal succession) :
1 - if 'yes', the military doesn't want to shift allegiance too late and be swept out by the younger officers who are being bought out by the rising tide of Chinese oligarchs;
2 - if 'no', they don't want to jump too soon and be seen as turning on the 'Top Kick', and punished for treason... not good, not good.
... this transition might take years before the new direction is clear and the military can deal with the next power structure... during the transition is when the risk of warring seems greatest.
... (so concludes another of my torturously long perspectives, to get to a simple opinion).
... I disagree with you DG... I believe the military will throw the monarchy and royalists under the bus once a path to the likely next form of government (probably an oligarchy kleptocracy) is cleared.
... okay, so... it's a theory.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:51 pm on April 21, 2012
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I am very interested in the theory it sounds plausible.
However as you pointed out "Treason charges" are not a good look.
And remember in context...to time frame...the return of Thaksin ( as speculated) was the reference point, to my forcast of loyalty to crown, by army.
The Chinese elitists have not the wider spread influences of the"" kings love ""by the people.
While he breathes...the monarchy is safe.
But Thaksin may not be.
The crown will extend the funeral of the King to a few months....it will be mourning on an unprecedented scale that will secure their worth for years to come.
Maybe in 5-10 years I envision your theory as possible
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:00 pm on April 21, 2012
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Quote: from dirty guru on 8:00 am on April 22, 2012
While he breathes...the monarchy is safe.
But Thaksin may not be.
... I agree with you on that... and those two events are the potential flash points I believe could ignite bloodshed... Toxin's return, or the royal succession.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:11 pm on April 21, 2012
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